Popular Post Z J Posted January 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2015 Both SWTRLF and Know Your Enemy work well live because they're up tempo and easy to shout along with. They add energy to the show. My friend and I were discussing last night Billie's voice on slow songs vs. his voice on the faster songs. And while we both agreed that his voice was supremely underrated when singing without his snarl, we felt that GD's (and Billie's) strength is in bringing a certain energy to their music. With Dookie it was a jaded confusion that was upbeat and grabbed your attention. Insomniac was a middle finger to the world. American Idiot was a middle finger to America. And so on. Whatever the message, it was delivered through this usually upbeat rhythm and Billie's signature snarls. Obviously when they slow it down GD can do some wonderful things. But think about songs like WMUWSE or Boulevard of Broken Dreams, they start slow but the tempo builds with the emotion to culminate in this explosion of energy. It really comes through live. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Baby Eyes, Wild One, Nuclear Family (this one is rather nonsense) and other trilogy songs are examples of what happenes when you mataphor too much. There's no place for explanations left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Both SWTRLF and Know Your Enemy work well live because they're up tempo and easy to shout along with. They add energy to the show. My friend and I were discussing last night Billie's voice on slow songs vs. his voice on the faster songs. And while we both agreed that his voice was supremely underrated when singing without his snarl, we felt that GD's (and Billie's) strength is in bringing a certain energy to their music. With Dookie it was a jaded confusion that was upbeat and grabbed your attention. Insomniac was a middle finger to the world. American Idiot was a middle finger to America. And so on. Whatever the message, it was delivered through this usually upbeat rhythm and Billie's signature snarls. Obviously when they slow it down GD can do some wonderful things. But think about songs like WMUWSE or Boulevard of Broken Dreams, they start slow but the tempo builds with the emotion to culminate in this explosion of energy. It really comes through live. Eh...although it questioned the politics of the time, American Idiot was more about the personal journey than political statements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Eh...although it questioned the politics of the time, American Idiot was more about the personal journey than political statements. Billie has two middle fingers - one was to America and the other was to emotional pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Billie has two middle fingers - one was to America and the other was to emotional pain. Two songs on the album have political themes. I'd say that the emotional story of the album made political points, but saying the album was a political "fuck you" really devalue's it's maturity and power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Two songs on the album have political themes. I'd say that the emotional story of the album made political points, but saying the album was a political "fuck you" really devalue's it's maturity and power. I'd say that just naming the album "American Idiot" is pretty damn political, more so than just having a couple of political songs. Also, those apostrophes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Eh...although it questioned the politics of the time, American Idiot was more about the personal journey than political statements. It was probably both. The political side is a vital part of it. I doubt it would have happened without the Bush administration. Also, the title track is fairly political. But yeah, it wasn't merely a political album, you're right. It was more than that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Two songs on the album have political themes. I'd say that the emotional story of the album made political points, but saying the album was a political "fuck you" really devalue's it's maturity and power. Yeah because albums questioning the government are soooooooo immature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Yeah because albums questioning the government are soooooooo immature. Idk, I just find more value in a personal growth story over people bitching and moaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Idk, I just find more value in a personal growth story over people bitching and moaning. Because you're the authority on maturity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Eh...although it questioned the politics of the time, American Idiot was more about the personal journey than political statements. Two songs on the album have political themes. I'd say that the emotional story of the album made political points, but saying the album was a political "fuck you" really devalue's it's maturity and power. I mean yeah only two songs were literally about politics. But the political themes run throughout the rest of the album. Billie lashes out against society but spends time exploring his own journey through life. As stated above, it is both. My point was really about the energy that flows through the album because it is so politically charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Because you're the authority on maturity Fair enough I mean yeah only two songs were literally about politics. But the political themes run throughout the rest of the album. Billie lashes out against society but spends time exploring his own journey through life. As stated above, it is both. My point was really about the energy that flows through the album because it is so politically charged. When I listen to AI, the emotions I feel are personal and have nothing to do with political anger. Idk, maybe it's just me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Idk, I just find more value in a personal growth story over people bitching and moaning. Those are not mutually exclusive, at all. You could reduce anything down to "bitching and moaning"…how is that not exactly what Insomniac/Dookie/Kerplunk is? When I listen to AI, the emotions I feel are personal and have nothing to do with political anger. Idk, maybe it's just me. Being a political person, I gravitate towards that message but it's perfectly reasonable to value it in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 St. Jimmy is one of the whiniest fictional characters ever created tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 St. Jimmy is one of the whiniest fictional characters ever created tbh. Explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Explain. He basically spends the entirety of AI whining about how shite his life is. I never said it was a bad thing, just that DookieLukie was making zero sense, as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Yeah, most of Billie's lyrics could be classified as "whining"…people just take the word too seriously. It doesn't have to be a negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 St. Jimmy is one of the whiniest fictional characters ever created tbh. All fictional characters he made are whiners pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 St. Jimmy is one of the whiniest fictional characters ever created tbh. I got the impression that St. Jimmy was really cocky/full of himself and not whiny at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I got the impression that St. Jimmy was really cocky/full of himself and not whiny at all. You kind of get the impression of whiny when you mix all that together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I got the impression that St. Jimmy was really cocky/full of himself and not whiny at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 That's JOS, not St. Jimmy. I mean, technically they are the same, but not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 That's JOS, not St. Jimmy. I mean, technically they are the same, but not really. They are techincally same, so what difference is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 That's JOS, not St. Jimmy. I mean, technically they are the same, but not really. Maybe I've got the characters backwards. Which one is the protagonist again? He's the whiny cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Maybe I've got the characters backwards. Which one is the protagonist again? He's the whiny cunt. Jesus of Suburbia. Yeah, definitely whiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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