Z J Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Just a little heads up, you might wanna remove that trilogy lyric from your sig. I mean, people might think you like the trilogy, and you wouldn't want that, would you?! The people need to witness the horror that is the trilogy lyrics, one signature at a time. I'll update it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 The people need to witness the horror that is the trilogy lyrics, one signature at a time. I'll update it I suggest "hope there's more in your pants than a bus route" for the next one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 For real what's wrong with the Sex Drugs and Violence lyric though? Every word of it makes sense, with multiple thoughtful/intelligent meanings that relate to the song and society (and that have already been explained by many people on here), and it's put in a succinct and catchy way. I don't see the issue with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted May 10, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2014 I suggest "hope there's more in your pants than a bus route" for the next one. or "i like your BM-excellent tits with a tattoo of a pig sniffing glue" 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 or "i like your BM-excellent tits with a tattoo of a pig sniffing glue" I forgot about that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 or "i like your BM-excellent tits with a tattoo of a pig sniffing glue" >quoting the intentionally ridiculous song Why do people keep doing this? It's really, really obvious he wasn't going for gold in Troublemaker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 For real what's wrong with the Sex Drugs and Violence lyric though? Every word of it makes sense, with multiple thoughtful/intelligent meanings that relate to the song and society (and that have already been explained by many people on here), and it's put in a succinct and catchy way. I don't see the issue with it. The chorus is horrible. Sounds like a bad kids bop lyric or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Again I don't see what's wrong with that. It's intentionally brash and ridiculous to reflect the brash and ridiculous character who's saying it. And BM-Xcellent tits is some amusingly silly word play. Do you guys think any of the lyrics on any of their other albums are bad? Or sound bad on their own? Because I only ever see out of context trilogy ones posted here. You can do the same with any album, "Magic man, egocentric plastic man", "It seems so frightening, time passes by like lightning", "When he was young did he have dreams of wearing woman's shoes and being crazy?" "I was alone, I was all by myself, no one was looking" "Like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stone" tee hee. Quoting short out of context lines and saying "that's bad" is just so unconvincing The chorus is horrible. Sounds like a bad kids bop lyric or something. But there's clear meaning behind it, layers of meaning, so it's not like a bad kids bop lyric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 or "i like your BM-excellent tits with a tattoo of a pig sniffing glue" That lyric flows like a river, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The chorus is horrible. Sounds like a bad kids bop lyric or something. Kids Bop do cover songs so IDK what you even mean by that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Again I don't see what's wrong with that. It's intentionally brash and ridiculous to reflect the brash and ridiculous character who's saying it. And BM-Xcellent tits is some amusingly silly word play. Do you guys think any of the lyrics on any of their other albums are bad? Or sound bad on their own? Because I only ever see out of context trilogy ones posted here. You can do the same with any album, "Magic man, egocentric plastic man", "It seems so frightening, time passes by like lightning", "When he was young did he have dreams of wearing woman's shoes and being crazy?" "I was alone, I was all by myself, no one was looking" "Like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stone" tee hee. Quoting short out of context lines and saying "that's bad" is just so unconvincing But there's clear meaning behind it, layers of meaning, so it's not like a bad kids bop lyric. People seem to glorify the bad lyrics of the past. 1039 and Kerplunk had some atrocious and sappy lyrics and everyone thinks they are golden. But yeah, your examples are spot-on (except the Chump lyric - I like that line ). BUT I will admit that before the demo versions, the chorus of SD&V and LBNT made me cringe a lot. I'd skip those songs with friends around out so not to embarrass Green Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Again I don't see what's wrong with that. It's intentionally brash and ridiculous to reflect the brash and ridiculous character who's saying it. And BM-Xcellent tits is some amusingly silly word play. Do you guys think any of the lyrics on any of their other albums are bad? Even when quoted on their own? Because I only ever see short out of context trilogy ones posted here. You can do the same with any album, "Magic man, egocentric plastic man", "It seems so frightening, time passes by like lightning", "When he was young did he have dreams of wearing woman's shoes and being crazy?" "I was alone, I was all by myself" tee hee. Quoting out of context lines and saying "that's bad" is just so unconvincing But there's clear meaning behind it, layers of meaning, so it's not like a bad kids bop lyric. Ok well a few things: 1) simply having a meaning doesn't justify the lyric 2) I like that Chump lyric because he's speaking about this man whom he doesn't even know with such hateful words, it's comical 3) Some of those lyrics were written when they were younger than 20, that's an excuse. There isn't really an excuse now. 4) If you put half of these lyrics in context they make no sense still. And it isn't even always about them not making sense. Lines should be able to stand alone for the most part and not sound absolutely ludicrous like half the trilogy lyrics do. Kids Bop do cover songs so IDK what you even mean by that. Was unaware as I don't listen to them lol. ...sounds like a 10 year old wrote it….better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 People seem to glorify the bad lyrics of the past. 1039 and Kerplunk had some atrocious and sappy lyrics and everyone thinks they are golden. But yeah, your examples are spot-on (except the Chump lyric - I like that line ). BUT I will admit that before the demo versions, the chorus of SD&V and LBNT made me cringe a lot. I'd skip those songs with friends around out so not to embarrass Green Day. What makes you think they would be embarrassed when they allowed recordings and distribution of said material? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Quoting short out of context lines and saying "that's bad" is just so unconvincing So are convoluted retcons that desperately try to explain how the lyrics are good and make sense. Occam's Razor is your friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 People seem to glorify the bad lyrics of the past. 1039 and Kerplunk had some atrocious and sappy lyrics and everyone thinks they are golden. But yeah, your examples are spot-on (except the Chump lyric - I like that line ). BUT I will admit that before the demo versions, the chorus of SD&V and LBNT made me cringe a lot. I'd skip those songs with friends around out so not to embarrass Green Day. I don't really think any of them are bad, I just think it's easy to make a lyric look bad if you post it out of context and just say it's bad/silly/has no meaning. People only seem to like doing it with trilogy lyrics though. Probably doesn't help that the band have hardly talked about the songs at all, I bet if they'd talked about the meanings more this would be less of an issue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The ratio of bad lyrics to good lyrics is significantly higher than the trilogy than any other albums. Without question. That is why they are hit the hardest. The kerplunk/39smooth lyrics get a pass because they were teenagers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 sounds like a 10 year old wrote it….better? Kids Bop was not written by 10 year olds, most of the songs on Kids Bop were written for adults, the hatred of Kids Bop deserves some applause, and if a 10 year old was singing the song,"Drama Queen" .... I'd be really worried about the parents for allowing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 1) simply having a meaning doesn't justify the lyric 2) I like that Chump lyric because he's speaking about this man whom he doesn't even know with such hateful words, it's comical "Having a meaning doesn't justify the lyric... but I like that lyric because of its meaning." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 So are convoluted retcons that desperately try to explain how the lyrics are good and make sense. Occam's Razor is your friend. I haven't seen any convoluted explanations of (for example) the Sex Drugs and Violence chorus, only ones that accurately explain the clear meanings behind it. But I'd prefer that to the other extreme of simply saying "nope, it has no meaning or value and I'm not going to go into it any further than that", being so dismissive seems a pretty boring way of looking at lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 "Having a meaning doesn't justify the lyric... but I like that lyric because of its meaning. " Miss the "its comical" part? I like it because its comical to me not just simply because it has meaning. Kids Bop was not written by 10 year olds, most of the songs on Kids Bop were written for adults, the hatred of Kids Bop deserves some applause, and if a 10 year old was singing the song,"Drama Queen" .... I'd be really worried about the parents for allowing it. God people I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIDS BOP IS I DEEPLY APOLOGIZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 IMO the lyrics on the trilogy are just as good as the lyrics on any GD album, and I find most of them very relatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Miss the "its comical" part? I like it because its comical to me not just simply because it has meaning. God people I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIDS BOP IS I DEEPLY APOLOGIZE Kids Bop sucks... you could just say that it has the fact that it sucks in common with Kids Bop. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Again I don't see what's wrong with that. It's intentionally brash and ridiculous to reflect the brash and ridiculous character who's saying it. And BM-Xcellent tits is some amusingly silly word play. Do you guys think any of the lyrics on any of their other albums are bad? Or sound bad on their own? Because I only ever see out of context trilogy ones posted here. You can do the same with any album, "Magic man, egocentric plastic man", "It seems so frightening, time passes by like lightning", "When he was young did he have dreams of wearing woman's shoes and being crazy?" "I was alone, I was all by myself, no one was looking" "Like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stone" tee hee. Quoting short out of context lines and saying "that's bad" is just so unconvincing Maybe it's just that the lyrics on the Trilogy simply aren't as good as those on previous albums, and as such get more criticism? I mean, "Magic man, egocentric plastic man" is quite easily one of the best lines they've ever written and I thought everyone loved it. For what it's worth, I don't like any of the lyrics of Nice Guys Finish Last, and some of my favourite songs have lyrics that I don't particularly like (such as "Drain the pressure from the swelling, this sensation's overwhelming," and some of my favourite lyrics are actually on the Trilogy ("Your thoughts are so unholy in the holiest of holes, onward Christian soldiers filled with jive and mind control," I mean come on!). I've even defended Fuck Time in the past. But overall there's clearly a lower lyrical standard on the Trilogy, and whether you think that's necessarily a bad thing or not, it's just disappointing, especially given the existence of songs like Jesus Of Suburbia where every single line is pure gold. We've come to expect better from Billie after two decades of lyrical brilliance. Personally I don't even count Kerplunk or 1039 because he was just a kid, and while some lyrics on there are great a lot are nothing special, but as a fully developed songwriter who's had his own voice for a long time, the Trilogy is just deflating to listen to. Kids Bop do cover songs so IDK what you even mean by that. Sometimes they change the odd line to something really ridiculous to make a song more suitable for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Miss the "its comical" part? I like it because its comical to me not just simply because it has meaning. Troublemaker's lyrics are comical because they're obviously meant to be silly. Taking a single line out doesn't show that because the whole also 2) I like that Chump lyric because he's speaking about this man whom he doesn't even know with such hateful words, it's comical 4) If you put half of these lyrics in context they make no sense still. And it isn't even always about them not making sense. Lines should be able to stand alone for the most part and not sound absolutely ludicrous like half the trilogy lyrics do. How do you know about whom he's speaking if you don't look at it in context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Z J Posted May 10, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2014 IMO the lyrics on the trilogy are just as good as the lyrics on any GD album, and I find most of them very relate-able. I fear for any person that finds Nightlife relatable 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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