The Disappearing Boy Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I'm pretty ambivalent on 21 Guns live performances, don't prefer the 21st Century Breakdown demo and I don't think I prefer the Static Age live sax solo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share Posted December 26, 2014 I'm pretty ambivalent on 21 Guns live performances, don't prefer the 21st Century Breakdown demo and I don't think I prefer the Static Age live sax solo. Are you ill? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 It's definitely a better song with the AI cast Said no-one ever I said that ... and then got laughed out of this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Anybody know what a "cherub in the Arab Spring" means in Baby Eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chin for a Day Posted December 27, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2014 Anybody know what a "cherub in the Arab Spring" means in Baby Eyes? The Arab Spring was a series of demonstrations and civil wars in various Arab countries that began in 2010. So, I always interpreted that line ot mean something like an innocent that ends up getting hurt in a situation. It seems to fit the song. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The Arab Spring was a series of demonstrations and civil wars in various Arab countries that began in 2010. So, I always interpreted that line ot mean something like an innocent that ends up getting hurt in a situation. It seems to fit the song. Doesn't the rest of the song paint him as the instigator of violence? "Bullet in your magazine", "pulled the trigger from the shooting star", "motor in your crashing car" etc. I don't see how he's innocent in this song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Doesn't the rest of the song paint him as the instigator of violence? "Bullet in your magazine", "pulled the trigger from the shooting star", "motor in your crashing car" etc. I don't see how he's innocent in this song. Well, I think he is looking upon himself as an innocent because she is making him do these things. A bullet isn't dangerous unless someone pulls a trigger, the motor can't cause a crash unless someone drives the car, the cherub in the arab spring is a baby in a fight. The shooting star one, that one confuses me more than the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The song is on Dos. 'nuff said. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 My interpretation of it is that it's mostly babble. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Well, I think he is looking upon himself as an innocent because she is making him do these things. A bullet isn't dangerous unless someone pulls a trigger, the motor can't cause a crash unless someone drives the car, the cherub in the arab spring is a baby in a fight. The shooting star one, that one confuses me more than the others. He blatantly says "my middle name is danger, the guy you keep away from strangers." I have a hard time seeing him as innocent. The song is on Dos. 'nuff said. Ok, very well. But just because you don't like the song doesn't mean you can just end our conversation about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 He blatantly says "my middle name is danger, the guy you keep away from strangers." I have a hard time seeing him as innocent. The line is "They say my middle name is Danger" Not that he is saying his middle name is Danger. I interpret the song to mean that he thinks that he is an innocent that is being either forced do something inappropriate or that he is being forced to look bad, beyond his control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The line is "They say my middle name is Danger" Not that he is saying his middle name is Danger. I interpret the song to mean that he thinks that he is an innocent that is being either forced do something inappropriate or that he is being forced to look bad, beyond his control. Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 This is probably looking way too far into it, but the original Cherubim were the guardians of the Tree of Life and the throne of God, so it could be that he's saying he looks like a pure, holy innocent but is in fact very dangerous if you do something wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grene cniht Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Also, a "cherub" applies mostly to the Christian religion, while the Arab Spring spread in many Muslim countries. It could mean he's in the wrong place at the wrong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Also, a "cherub" applies mostly to the Christian religion, while the Arab Spring spread in many Muslim countries. It could mean he's in the wrong place at the wrong time.Not true. It applies equally to all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity). Actually, considering nearly all mentions of Cherubrim occur in the Torah/Old Testament, Judaism would be considered the main origins of Cherubrim.But there's no way Billie Joe is smart enough to know any of that so it's pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grene cniht Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Not true. It applies equally to all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity). Actually, considering nearly all mentions of Cherubrim occur in the Torah/Old Testament, Judaism would be considered the main origins of Cherubrim. But there's no way Billie Joe is smart enough to know any of that so it's pointless True for the Judaism, but Islam doesn't have cherubs, or they aren't called that way at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 True for the Judaism, but Islam doesn't have cherubs, or they aren't called that way at least. They are called "Karrub". That's close enough, imho. It doesn't make a difference anyway. There's a link between Cherub and the other metaphores (something goes wrong and dangerous) but I'm puzzled by the Arab Spring...even that makes sense though. The Arab Spring started as something positive - then went wrong and violent. This means than Billie is either capable of coming up with something so complex or babbling so well that Dos starts making sense only after a midnight Bible, Tora, Coran and Wikipedia reading. Remarkable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TimmyChunks Posted December 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2014 I absolutely love this conversation as Baby Eyes is one of my favorites off of Dos. The Arab Spring refers to the Middle East uprising in 2012 that occurred as a youth led and largely social media rebellion against the tyrannical ruling parties in power at the time. The cherub reference is very well placed as a cherub is a Christian-Anglo reference to a young, sweet, and unblemished angel. The juxtaposition says it all. Awesome song, and great testament (pun fully intended) to Billie's lyrical abilities. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid Meringue Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 When the album first came out, I thought Baby Eyes was about Jakob being old enough to break girl's hearts seeing as his middle name IS Danger... But "year of the rat, last of the litter" is most definitely BJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Love these interpretations! Feel like I have a much better understanding of the song now. When the album first came out, I thought Baby Eyes was about Jakob being old enough to break girl's hearts seeing as his middle name IS Danger... But "year of the rat, last of the litter" is most definitely BJ I bet he waited for years until he found himself with a song he could add the phrase "my middle name is danger" to . He's so proud of himself for giving him that middle name and loves to mention it, even though the song isn't about Jakob I'm sure that phrase is there as a little embarrassing dad shout out to him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Are you ill?A little explanation:21 Guns live:Plus points: Jason Freeze's piano after the solo is incredibleMinus points: Billie consistently failing to hit the falsetto, they tend to drag it out too long.But I'm ambivalent about the song in general, so.21st Century Breakdown demo:I'd actually prefer a mix of the two: the demo lyrics, combined with the overall completeness of the proper version. Like the little guitar bit between the verses, the extra guitar in the solo, the extra guitar in the outro. Not sure which intro I prefer, though.Static Age sax solo:This one's a dilemma. I really like the little octave bridge/solo thing of the album version. I also like the sax solo. More Jason Freeze is good. The problem with it is is that it drowns out the guitar. Drowning out Jason White is never good. Perhaps they ought to do one after the other when they do it live. More Jasons can only be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 A little explanation: 21st Century Breakdown demo: I'd actually prefer a mix of the two: the demo lyrics, combined with the overall completeness of the proper version. Like the little guitar bit between the verses, the extra guitar in the solo, the extra guitar in the outro. Not sure which intro I prefer, though. I must say I completely agree with this, a hybrid like that would be perfect. As it is I'm just glad we have both versions because there's really cool things about both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I have a question for everyone. When they did 21 Guns live, where in the set list was it? Could the problems with him hitting the falsetto simply be because it was too far down in the set list and his voice was gone by that point? Could the issues be simply to put it earlier in the set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I have a question for everyone. When they did 21 Guns live, where in the set list was it? Could the problems with him hitting the falsetto simply be because it was too far down in the set list and his voice was gone by that point? Could the issues be simply to put it earlier in the set?I think it was a choice more than anything. He probably knew he was going to miss the falsetto so he didn't even try. Even at award shows where 21 Guns was the only song they played he mostly didn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I think it was a choice more than anything. He probably knew he was going to miss the falsetto so he didn't even try. Even at award shows where 21 Guns was the only song they played he mostly didn't do it. Interesting. I've heard him hit falsetto's live. Why not on 21 Guns. I'm not a singer but I wonder if it is just a hard song to sing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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