Clockwise Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm glad we're talking about this again, because I really have been wanting to tell everyone just how much I love the trilogy. Hands down best thing this band has ever done. A masterpiece. I still listen to it in full probably at least once a week. Doesn't get any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid Meringue Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Well, what about Tré? I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion on it in this trilogy conversation. I always thought "Amanda" was a highly underrated song. One of the ones I'm surprised wasn't on Demolicious. I love Amanda so much, as a song. When it first came out I kind of felt bad about liking it so much because I thought it was another one of those "sketchy Billie" songs. But I got over it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haushinka! Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Well, what about Tré? I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion on it in this trilogy conversation. I always thought "Amanda" was a highly underrated song. One of the ones I'm surprised wasn't on Demolicious. I will agree with you there. Amanda is one of the few songs I really enjoy from the trilogy! I'm glad we're talking about this again, because I really have been wanting to tell everyone just how much I love the trilogy. Hands down best thing this band has ever done. A masterpiece. I still listen to it in full probably at least once a week. Doesn't get any better. The best thing the band has ever done? Sarcasm, I hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonaise Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I love Amanda so much, as a song. When it first came out I kind of felt bad about liking it so much because I thought it was another one of those "sketchy Billie" songs. But I got over it I will agree with you there. Amanda is one of the few songs I really enjoy from the trilogy! Gotta hand it to Billie Joe's past girlfriends. They sure help him write damn good songs! Let's see, we've got She, Whatsername, Amanda, and uhh... Stuart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The best thing the band has ever done? Sarcasm, I hope. Not being sarcastic at all, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haushinka! Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Not being sarcastic at all, actually. Hey, whatever floats your boat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You didn't grow out of it you were a sheep and let Z J C Dawg and Graham talk you into hating it lol suck it Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 suck it Tom Tom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Tom? You didn't include his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You didn't include his name I knew I forgot somebody dang it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I knew I forgot somebody dang it No no, it's better this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I totally get not liking the Trilogy/any album and saying why, but actually trying to convince someone else not to like an album I really don't get. If you happen to like an album and someone else happens not to you're the one who gets to enjoy something and therefore the winner in that situation , I hope no one's enjoyment of it is actually spoiled by others' opinions of it. I don't think I ever said Billie didn't care, I said that he seemed not to care. Which is honestly just as bad. He was too busy being drunk/drugged up/a fucking weirdo to effectively promote the albums. His behavior was really the icing on the cake for the whole disaster. He's still a sweet, fluffy little rock star cupcake but damn, he was a train wreck during the Trilogy promotions, there's no denying it. Well yeah his behaviour at the iHeart festival and the fact that he then (rightly) was in rehab sorting himself out afterwards wrecked the promotion. He was doing plenty of promotion for the albums with no indication that he didn't care before that though, starting off with the awesome secret shows and then closer to the release going around being fun and enthusiastic about the albums in interviews and still playing great shows, I saw them a month before iHeart and he put on as good a show as ever and the night before he'd done a very entertaining Zane Lowe interview with the rest of the band and sounded super excited about the songs from the albums being debuted during it. I don't think a single person had a negative thing to say about the way he was behaving while promoting the albums before iHeart. If they aimed to return to their pre-AI sensibilities, then one would expect their to be a few obvious characterstics that defined their pre-AI catalog: Mike-Billie harmonies Emphasis on rhythm (basslines, drums) Witty, introspective lyrics those are a few indisputable characteristics of their pre-AI work. The trilogy didn't hit on any of those things. The lyrics read like a child at times and a horny, sexually repressed 50 year old at others. The vocal filter took away Billie's snarl, the harmonies were non-existent, and Tre and Mike might as well have stayed home. I've been saying a version of this since it came out, but I figured I'd reiterate my opinion on it, for new trilogy sympathizers I don't think they said they aimed for that. Also how did it sound like a 50 year old rather than the 40 year old it was about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I don't think they said they aimed for that. Also how did it sound like a 50 year old rather than the 40 year old it was about? Kind of just threw a number out there, honestly The point remains Obviously they didn't explicitly state that, but that was what it appeared to be. An attempt to recapture an older-stripped down sound. My point is really that even if they weren't aiming to make it sound like old Green Day, they weren't advancing their sound either. To me, that's what makes it a failure. They didn't move forward with their sound, they went backwards. If they are going to go back, I expected them to do at least some of what made them so good in the past. I totally get not liking the Trilogy/any album and saying why, but actually trying to convince someone else not to like an album I really don't get. If you happen to like an album and someone else happens not to you're the one who gets to enjoy something and therefore the winner in that situation , I hope no one's enjoyment of it is actually spoiled by others' opinions of it. Also I'm pretty positive everyone's joking when we view someone changing their opinion of the trilogy as a victory*. We have our points, we throw them out there. If people change their opinion based on that then so be it. They can get joy out of better music * Of course it's a victory, fuck the trilogy. This isn't a game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Kind of just threw a number out there, honestly The point remains Obviously they didn't explicitly state that, but that was what it appeared to be. An attempt to recapture an older-stripped down sound. My point is really that even if they weren't aiming to make it sound like old Green Day, they weren't advancing their sound either. To me, that's what makes it a failure. They didn't move forward with their sound, they went backwards. If they are going to go back, I expected them to do at least some of what made them so good in the past. I think the retro rock and roll kind of vibe running through it made it something new, they'd already done a 60s parody with Foxboro Hot Tubs but they hadn't really incorporated that retro (as in really retro not old Green Day retro) sound into Green Day stuff in the same way before. It's simplified music but I think it's simplified in a new and different way for the band rather than in a going back to the old sound way. Also I'm pretty positive everyone's joking when we view someone changing their opinion of the trilogy as a victory*. We have our points, we throw them out there. If people change their opinion based on that then so be it. They can get joy out of better music * Of course it's a victory, fuck the trilogy. This isn't a game Yeah I know it's mostly just that, I like to stick up for the non haters every once in a while just in case anyone's enjoyment is actually getting spoiled at all though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think the retro rock and roll kind of vibe running through it made it something new, they'd already done a 60s parody with Foxboro Hot Tubs but they hadn't really incorporated that retro (as in really retro not old Green Day retro) sound into Green Day stuff in the same way before. It's simplified music but I think it's simplified in a new and different way for the band rather than in a going back to the old sound way. And therein lies the problem, I think. Ultimately it just doesn't really sound like Green Day, and that's not what you want from a Green Day record. They could easily have incorporated their signature elements, aspects of the music that made them so appealing in the first place, and they just didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 And therein lies the problem, I think. Ultimately it just doesn't really sound like Green Day, and that's not what you want from a Green Day record. They could easily have incorporated their signature elements, aspects of the music that made them so appealing in the first place, and they just didn't. "Everything they make sounds the same. They're incapable of making progressive music." "This new stuff doesn't sound the same as everything else. Doesn't sound like Green Day, which makes it sucky." #GDClogic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 "Everything they make sounds the same. They're incapable of making progressive music." "This new stuff doesn't sound the same as everything else. Doesn't sound like Green Day, which makes it sucky." #GDClogic "Everyone who posts their opinion on the internet is the same person and therefore self-contradictory." #DookieLukieLogic As much as I would like them to do something new, I'd take something good that sounds like stuff they've done before over something new and not very good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 "Everything they make sounds the same. They're incapable of making progressive music." "This new stuff doesn't sound the same as everything else. Doesn't sound like Green Day, which makes it sucky." #GDClogic Except that most people on here would say that everything up to the Trilogy WAS a progression, and a sign that they were capable of doing something different. The Trilogy went backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 "Everything they make sounds the same. They're incapable of making progressive music." "This new stuff doesn't sound the same as everything else. Doesn't sound like Green Day, which makes it sucky." #GDClogic I think you're missing the point. It is very possible to advance their sound without losing what makes them good. In this case, they could have easily captured the retro sixties rock sound without abandoning what made their stripped down sound good. Similarly, they expanded their sound from AI to 21CB but maintained their incredible harmonies and melody making. It's not a hard concept to grasp, I think you're just trying to be difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Progress isn't positive per se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DookieLukie Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 All I'm saying is that if I were in Green Day, I'd probably hate my fan base. I think Mike already does given what he says in Cuatro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 All I'm saying is that if I were in Green Day, I'd probably hate my fan base. I think Mike already does given what he says in Cuatro. I really don't know where you've got that from. What Mike comment are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I really don't know where you've got that from. What Mike comment are you referring to? When he says something like, "I love them but God our fans piss me off sometimes." It's when he's talking about all the fans screaming for old stuff at the secret shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 She still makes me shiver NOT in the good way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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