Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[The Disappearing Boy]

So are we basically making DookieLukie a god? Cos we need to stop that.

[Sauli]

So are we basically making DookieLukie a god? Cos we need to stop that.

I don't believe in God and I don't believe in Nimjim either so it makes perfect sense to me

[Libertine Angel]

TOM I FUCKING HATE YOU, STOP NIMJIMMING ME GODDAMMIT!!!

#NIMJIM'D

[Z J]

In a (likely vain) attempt to put this thread back on track, an unpopular opinion:

Nimrod is overrated. It's a jumbled up mess of an album and Nice Guys Finish Last and Take Back are two of the worst songs they have

[Chin for a Day]

In a (likely vain) attempt to put this thread back on track, an unpopular opinion:

Nimrod is overrated. It's a jumbled up mess of an album and Nice Guys Finish Last and Take Back are two of the worst songs they have

Possibly, but Hitchin' A Ride kicks ass. Personally, I vote for Platypus and King for Day as worst.

I will add that I think Warning is highly underrated. It is the beginning of their transition to more serious subjects.

[Spike]

In a (likely vain) attempt to put this thread back on track, an unpopular opinion:

Nimrod is overrated. It's a jumbled up mess of an album and Nice Guys Finish Last and Take Back are two of the worst songs they have

THANK YOU. It has great songs on it but I still don't get it as an album. It's less cohesive than International Superhits, which is just ridiculous when you think about it.

[Libertine Angel]

In a (likely vain) attempt to put this thread back on track, an unpopular opinion:

Nimrod is overrated. It's a jumbled up mess of an album and Nice Guys Finish Last and Take Back are two of the worst songs they have

I most vehemently disagree. It's a brilliant album as it stands, get rid of Take Back and it's excellent.

[Anaïs.]

In a (likely vain) attempt to put this thread back on track, an unpopular opinion:

Nimrod is overrated. It's a jumbled up mess of an album and Nice Guys Finish Last and Take Back are two of the worst songs they have

THANK YOU. It has great songs on it but I still don't get it as an album. It's less cohesive than International Superhits, which is just ridiculous when you think about it.

I really don't understand it when people say this. Apart from Hitchin' a Ride, Last Ride In, Take Back, King for a Day and Good Riddance there are no real stylistic outliers. The songs are all produced very similarly and have a similar musical composition and structure. Compare the first half of Nimrod, in which the outliers are Hitchin' a Ride and Last Ride In, to the first half of Warning, where within six songs we have a Kinks ripoff, a rockabilly number, three standard Green Day songs and a goddamn Russian waltz complete with spaghetti Western bridge. I'd argue that Warning is far more of a stylistic clusterfuck than Nimrod is.

[Spike]

I really don't understand it when people say this. Apart from Hitchin' a Ride, Last Ride In, Take Back, King for a Day and Good Riddance there are no real stylistic outliers. The songs are all produced very similarly and have a similar musical composition and structure. Compare the first half of Nimrod, in which the outliers are Hitchin' a Ride and Last Ride In, to the first half of Warning, where within six songs we have a Kinks ripoff, a rockabilly number, three standard Green Day songs and a goddamn Russian waltz complete with spaghetti Western bridge. I'd argue that Warning is far more of a stylistic clusterfuck than Nimrod is.

I think the problem with Nimrod in that respect is probably the running order. You've got that run of Platypus, Uptight and Last Ride in which jumps about a bit, then once you deal with Take Back, King For A Day, Good Riddance and then Prosthetic Head it's like "what the fuck just happened?" There are a couple of outliers on Warning but I think the running order works far better and even though there are stylistic differences they're less drastic and abrupt in quick succession compared with those on Nimrod.

[Libertine Angel]

I really don't understand it when people say this. Apart from Hitchin' a Ride, Last Ride In, Take Back, King for a Day and Good Riddance there are no real stylistic outliers. The songs are all produced very similarly and have a similar musical composition and structure. Compare the first half of Nimrod, in which the outliers are Hitchin' a Ride and Last Ride In, to the first half of Warning, where within six songs we have a Kinks ripoff, a rockabilly number, three standard Green Day songs and a goddamn Russian waltz complete with spaghetti Western bridge. I'd argue that Warning is far more of a stylistic clusterfuck than Nimrod is.

Agreed. I may not be the most technical listener when it comes to musical style (translation: I don't really think about these things), but to me, Nimrod is almost entirely comprised of the classic Green Day sound. Last Ride In, Take Back, King for a Day and Good Riddance are the obvious anomalies, Hitchin' A Ride at a stretch, but overall it's really not all that inconsistent in itself.

[Anaïs.]

I think the problem with Nimrod in that respect is probably the running order. You've got that run of Platypus, Uptight and Last Ride in which jumps about a bit, then once you deal with Take Back, King For A Day, Good Riddance and then Prosthetic Head it's like "what the fuck just happened?" There are a couple of outliers on Warning but I think the running order works far better and even though there are stylistic differences they're less drastic and abrupt in quick succession compared with those on Nimrod.

I don't see how Uptight is that much of an outlier? Same for Prosthetic Head. And Platypus would've been right at home on Insomniac. I'll give you Take Back and King for a Day being a bit jarring back to back, though.

[The Disappearing Boy]

Fuck you all (except Jimmy), Nimrod's great

[Spike]

I don't see how Uptight is that much of an outlier? Same for Prosthetic Head. And Platypus would've been right at home on Insomniac. I'll give you Take Back and King for a Day being a bit jarring back to back, though.

Oh, I'm not saying Uptight or Prosthetic Head are outliers, it's just how they really highlight the contrast between the regular Green Day sound and the more "experimental" stuff on the album, that's all. It's just another style that's thrown into the mix. I mean, it's great that they tried new stuff out and the songs themselves are really interesting for the most part, I just struggle to be in the mood for the whole album in one go.

[Anaïs.]

Fuck you all (except Jimmy), Nimrod's great

Hey, hey, hey, I'm defending it too! It's my second-favorite GD album!

Oh, I'm not saying Uptight or Prosthetic Head are outliers, it's just how they really highlight the contrast between the regular Green Day sound and the more "experimental" stuff on the album, that's all. It's just another style that's thrown into the mix. I mean, it's great that they tried new stuff out and the songs themselves are really interesting for the most part, I just struggle to be in the mood for the whole album in one go.

Fair enough, I guess. Maybe it's just because I'm a huge fan of contrasting styles in general (The White Album is my favorite Beatles album, after all), but Nimrod is my absolute favorite of theirs to listen to, whether it's on vinyl or on the car radio. I suspect that it's my favorite of theirs tbh, but AI is still rated as my favorite because it's the album that got me into rock and it's obviously a complete artistic masterpiece. Plus any album that has JOS on it is automatically the best ever.

[Spike]

Fair enough, I guess. Maybe it's just because I'm a huge fan of contrasting styles in general (The White Album is my favorite Beatles album, after all), but Nimrod is my absolute favorite of theirs to listen to, whether it's on vinyl or on the car radio. I suspect that it's my favorite of theirs tbh, but AI is still rated as my favorite because it's the album that got me into rock and it's obviously a complete artistic masterpiece. Plus any album that has JOS on it is automatically the best ever.

I think my problem is that American Idiot, along with RHCP's By The Way, was the first album I was really massively into and obviously it's very focused and every song complements every other song. So generally speaking I tend to like albums that are cohesive and have a consistent style rather than ones that sound more like collections of songs. Like I say though, Nimrod does have some of my favourite songs ever on it. The Grouch, Redundant and Scattered is the best three song run on any Green Day album.

[Anaïs.]

I think my problem is that American Idiot, along with RHCP's By The Way, was the first album I was really massively into and obviously it's very focused and every song complements every other song. So generally speaking I tend to like albums that are cohesive and have a consistent style rather than ones that sound more like collections of songs. Like I say though, Nimrod does have some of my favourite songs ever on it. The Grouch, Redundant and Scattered is the best three song run on any Green Day album.

I can understand that—a lot of my favorite albums are very cohesive (AI, obviously, Who's Next, Exile on Main St., The Times They Are a-Changin', etc.). I guess I've just never been bothered by loads of styles either.

Hmm, I think that's beaten by JOS, Holiday, BOBD.

[Spike]

Hmm, I think that's beaten by JOS, Holiday, BOBD.

I do like Holiday but it lets that run down, to be fair.JOS and BOBD are insanely strong songs, and as good as Holiday is it just doesn't quite match up.

[Anaïs.]

I do like Holiday but it lets that run down, to be fair.JOS and BOBD are insanely strong songs, and as good as Holiday is it just doesn't quite match up.

Oof, I don't know, man. Holiday has the killer riff, an actual bassline from Mike, insanely good lyrics, and is without a doubt the most fervent song on the album politically. It's not my fave song on AI by any means, but every time I relisten to it I'm reminded just how strong it is.

[Libertine Angel]

Holiday's great.

Carry on...

[Chin for a Day]

Holiday's great.

Carry on...

Holiday is also the kind of song that can span musical tastes and generations. I have Holiday as my song people listen to while they are waiting for me to pick up my cell. My brother, who is 20 years older than me, thought it was great. Because of it I got him to listen to AI and now he is hooked. Even thought it is not the defining moment of AI, it is one of the songs that can bring people to the whole record.

AI in general is a complete masterpiece

[Libertine Angel]

Holiday is also the kind of song that can span musical tastes and generations. I have Holiday as my song people listen to while they are waiting for me to pick up my cell. My brother, who is 20 years older than me, thought it was great. Because of it I got him to listen to AI and now he is hooked. Even thought it is not the defining moment of AI, it is one of the songs that can bring people to the whole record.

AI in general is a complete masterpiece

Agreed. There aren't many albums in which every song is great, but AI is one of them.

[Z J]

I really don't understand it when people say this. Apart from Hitchin' a Ride, Last Ride In, Take Back, King for a Day and Good Riddance there are no real stylistic outliers. The songs are all produced very similarly and have a similar musical composition and structure. Compare the first half of Nimrod, in which the outliers are Hitchin' a Ride and Last Ride In, to the first half of Warning, where within six songs we have a Kinks ripoff, a rockabilly number, three standard Green Day songs and a goddamn Russian waltz complete with spaghetti Western bridge. I'd argue that Warning is far more of a stylistic clusterfuck than Nimrod is.

Most of Nimrod is just mediocre for GD standards, in my opinion. Walking Alone, Haushinka, Reject, Scattered, King For A Day, Uptight, Worry Rock, and Prosthetic Head are all decent songs but I feel GD has much better. For me, the only songs on Nimrod that stand out are Good Riddance, The Grouch, and Hitchin A Ride. And even then The Grouch and Hitchin A Ride aren't so incredible that it makes up for Jinx, Take Back, Nice Guys Finish Last, Platypus, and All the Time.

Compare that to Warning (which I prefer). Macy's Day Parade, Castaway, Minority, and Church On Sunday are a big four that really display GD's range of abilities. Misery is a work of art in it's own right. Even the "weaker" links have positives. Warning (song) has some very good lyrics, Hold On has some nice harmonica action. Songs like Jackass, Deadbeat Holiday, and Blood Sex and Booze are great adds to the catalog as well. Jackass has a wicked bite lyrically and the melodies on the latter two songs are fantastic.

Obviously this is all subjective, but I think that Nimrod doesn't make up for lack of cohesiveness with stand out tracks where I believe Warning is slightly more cohesive and better displays the talents of GD.

[Anaïs.]

Most of Nimrod is just mediocre for GD standards, in my opinion. Walking Alone, Haushinka, Reject, Scattered, King For A Day, Uptight, Worry Rock, and Prosthetic Head are all decent songs but I feel GD has so much better. For me, the only songs on Nimrod that stand out are Good Riddance, The Grouch, and Hitchin A Ride. And even then The Grouch and Hitchin A Ride aren't so incredible that it makes up for Jinx, Take Back, Nice Guys Finish Last, Platypus, and All the Time.

Haushinka and All the Time are actually in my top twenty Green Day songs. Haushinka might even crack the top ten. It's one of their best songs for guitar and drums, and the melody and emotion are *so* good.

[Z J]

Haushinka and All the Time are actually in my top twenty Green Day songs. Haushinka might even crack the top ten. It's one of their best songs for guitar and drums, and the melody and emotion are *so* good.

I like Haushinka but it gets repetitive, which cheapens the melodic value, for me. Perhaps it needs another verse or something, but lyrically it doesn't go anywhere. And it sounds straight off of Kerplunk (where it would have been a better fit) the song just doesn't jive with the rest of the album.

[Anaïs.]

I only used "so" twice in that post, but point taken.

I like Haushinka but it gets repetitive, which cheapens the melodic value, for me. Perhaps it needs another verse or something, but lyrically it doesn't go anywhere. And it sounds straight off of Kerplunk (where it would have been a better fit) the song just doesn't jive with the rest of the album.

Oh no no no no, that wasn't at all what I was doing, I was just emphasizing my own so. I didn't even notice your use of it. Please don't take that as mockery, because that was the absolute furthest thing from my mind.