Hermione Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I agree that most of them have a clear point they are stating. Whether one likes or hates Makeout Party one must admit its meaning is quite clear . But songs like Nuclear Family, Wild One, Baby Eyes, Dirty Rotten Bastards or the Forgotten sound nonsensical enough to me. You may be able to tell some vague sentiment, but how does it differ from Champagne Supernova then? By saying nonsense, by the way, I don't mean that the song necessarily has no lyrical point at all, but rather that it feels like half of the lyrics were written only because something has to be sung, so those lines or verses generally do not make sense, only fill the empty space. Again comparisons to Noel Gallagher (And Dylan, though comparing Bob to the lyrics on the Trilogy is very severe blasphemy) are justified. He too used to come up with one or two catchphrases and fill the rest with some random vague rambling. It's hard to explain the specifics of it really but the lyrics (as in the different lines and verses) of those songs just make sense to me . I suppose sometimes whether a line is written just to fill space or is actually meaningful or worthwhile is a matter of (subjective) opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 But songs like Nuclear Family, Wild One, Baby Eyes, Dirty Rotten Bastards or the Forgotten sound nonsensical enough to me. I never thought The Forgotten was nonsensical. It was the last song, on the last record and it always sounded like a goodbye to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think you captured Noel Gallagher perfectly. The entire trilogy is not bad, Dos is. True, but funnily enough, whilst Dos has the worst lyrics, its lyrics are also the most straightforward ones. So not actually nonsensical, just purely bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sauli Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I never thought The Forgotten was nonsensical. It was the last song, on the last record and it always sounded like a goodbye to me. Yeah, it sounds like a goodbye. But what do those lines mean? It's like an abstract painting. You can't tell what it means, but you can tell how it feels. Compare to Dylan's songs like the Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands. So the nonsense-aspect of it isn't the problem if you ask me, the problem is that those lines just don't do the trick a good abstract painting is supposed to do. Of course, all this is highly subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yeah, it sounds like a goodbye. But what do those lines mean? It's like an abstract painting. You can't tell what it means, but you can tell how it feels. Compare to Dylan's songs like the Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands. So the nonsense-aspect of it isn't the problem if you ask me, the problem is that those lines just don't do the trick a good abstract painting is supposed to do. Of course, all this is highly subjective. Interesting comparisons. I'm not sure I agree with you though. I am not a fan of Sad Eyed Lady, even though I am a fan of Dylan's lyrics. He is probably the best lyricist of our time. (What Billie has over Dylan is he can actually sing and I think Billie can interpret the music much more effectively). I find Sad Eyed Lady too busy. I listen to it, I read the lyrics but I'm still not sure what I'm hearing. Compare it to something like Picasso's Guernica. I can look at that painting for hours and I always find something I didn't see before and it means something to me. I'm not confused. I think lyrically the Forgotten is actually a good example of abstract. I know it is a goodbye, but what else can I get out of it. Maybe a lament, I know we forget people all the time, but how do the people we forget feel? The problem with The Forgotten, is it is so unlike anything they have ever done. It is not something a typical GD fan would enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Such as? The Trilogy doesn't count, by the way Dammit. Well, I think majority of the lyrics has a little little little bit of nonsense in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it weren't for the unfortunate line "And I could really care less" Jesus of Suburbia would be an absolutely perfect piece of music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it weren't for the unfortunate line "And I could really care less" Jesus of Suburbia would be an absolutely perfect piece of music. I suppose it makes sense that a lower-class teenage slacker wouldn't know the proper grammar, but damn it's annoying. It's even worse in "Teenagers" by MCR, because Gerard Way, being a comics writer, should goddamn well know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 After giving it a bit of thought, I think the reason why I tolerate (okay I'll be honest - enjoy) Baby Eyes but loathe The Forgotten - though I consider both to showcase nonsensical lyrics - is because Baby Eyes is upbeat. Maybe a pretty stupid reason, but I'm the type of person who's ready to forgive poor or nonsensical lyrics if the song can distract me from them. And that's where slow, dramatic songs like The Forgotten - where I tend to focus on what's being said - fail. If it weren't for the unfortunate line "And I could really care less" Jesus of Suburbia would be an absolutely perfect piece of music. If JoS didn't have any grammatical oddities it would be too perfect for this world and the balance of nature will be thrown into chaos out of the sheer awesomeness. So just consider that one line the thing which enables that song to exist without any ill effects in this universe. (I don't know what I'm talking about. Again.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spike Posted October 24, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it weren't for the unfortunate line "And I could really care less" Jesus of Suburbia would be an absolutely perfect piece of music. I choose to hear it as "I cunt really care less," in which case it is couldn't in a Yorkshire accent. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I choose to hear it as "I cunt really care less," in which case it is couldn't in a Yorkshire accent. Sorry, the way you spell it made me think of something else. Yes, I'm dirty. Keep a 50 mile distance away from me at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sauli Posted October 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2014 I choose to hear it as "I cunt really care less," in which case it is couldn't in a Yorkshire accent.I'm the son of two cousins inbredness is not a sin in yorkshire where I'm living in my speech pattern's incomprehensible my vocabulary is invincible the moors and tea were made for me and I'm where I wanna be And there's nothing wrong with me this is how I'm supposed to be Gonna meet you at Scarborough fair In the middle of nowhere! #JesusOfYorksire 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 unpopular Green Day related opinion: all these parodies of Green Day songs are tiresome You sadden me, Cakey Lee... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 unpopular Green Day related opinion: all these parodies of Green Day songs are tiresome And you think it's a reason to stop? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 unpopular Green Day related opinion: all these parodies of Green Day songs are tiresome And it will not stop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 It was clever the first time someone did it but now it's just horribly over-used and people are band-wagoning on to make themselves look clever and it's annoying af. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spike Posted October 24, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2014 unpopular Green Day related opinion: all these parodies of Green Day songs are tiresome You are tiresome. I'm the son of two cousins inbredness is not a sin in yorkshire where I'm living in my speech pattern's incomprehensible my vocabulary invincible the moors and tea were made for me and I'm where I wanna be And there's nothing wrong with me this is how I'm supposed to be Gonna meet you at Scarborough fair In the middle of nowhere! #JesusOfYorksire Dearly beloved are you listening? Don't know if you're my mum or my daughter's cousin Am I inbred or am I just deformed? The space that's in between being my own grandparents 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 If it weren't for the unfortunate line "And I could really care less" Jesus of Suburbia would be an absolutely perfect piece of music. I think it's easier to sing this way. I've been thinking about it a lot lately and it's the only reason I could come up with. "And I couldn't really care less" would be slightly longer and maybe more difficult to pronounce without changing the melody a bit. After giving it a bit of thought, I think the reason why I tolerate (okay I'll be honest - enjoy) Baby Eyes but loathe The Forgotten - though I consider both to showcase nonsensical lyrics - is because Baby Eyes is upbeat. Maybe a pretty stupid reason, but I'm the type of person who's ready to forgive poor or nonsensical lyrics if the song can distract me from them. And that's where slow, dramatic songs like The Forgotten - where I tend to focus on what's being said - fail. Exactly, I feel the same about it. In a slow, thoughtful song that seems to focus on the lyrics, especially a song like The Forgotten (these were supposed to be deep, y'know?) it's much more difficult to overhear them being weak. You're kind of forced to listen to those lyrics even if you don't really want to, because there is less to focus on instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It was clever the first time someone did it but now it's just horribly over-used and people are band-wagoning on to make themselves look clever and it's annoying af. I suggest we do parodies of The Network or FBHT next. Exactly, I feel the same about it. In a slow, thoughtful song that seems to focus on the lyrics, especially a song like The Forgotten (these were supposed to be deep, y'know?) it's much more difficult to overhear them being weak. You're kind of forced to listen to those lyrics even if you don't really want to, because there is less to focus on instead. Yes. At least the more upbeat songs have the excuse that they're probably not supposed to be deep or thoughtful - they're just random fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Sorry, the way you spell it made me think of something else. Yes, I'm dirty. Keep a 50 mile distance away from me at all times. That's also just how it's said. It's not dirty minded of you, just entirely accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It was clever the first time someone did it but now it's just horribly over-used and people are band-wagoning on to make themselves look clever and it's annoying af. It's something unpredictable, but in the end is right, I hope you had the rep of your life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveblondiebilliejoe Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) The part right after the guitar solo of East Jesus Nowhere when Billie acoustically (I don't know how else to describe it) sings the chorus is one of my favorite parts of 21st Century Breakdown. Edited October 26, 2014 by loveblondiebilliejoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The part right after the guitar solo of East Jesus Nowhere when Billie acoustically (I don't know how else to describe it) sings the chorus is one of my favorite parts of 21st Century Breakdown. Can you tell at what minute of a song that happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The part right after the guitar solo of East Jesus Nowhere when Billie acoustically (I don't know how else to describe it) sings the chorus is one of my favorite parts of 21st Century Breakdown. The phrase you're looking for is "a cappella". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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