Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[Clockwise]

The Forgotten is much better than 21 Guns imo

[DTH]

talking about the forgotten and potential:

i actually don't find the lyrics that bad. i found it incredible cheesy (the music) when it came out at first (maybe the twilight video played its part in that too). but the video posted above changed that for me... i got to appreciate the melody. and yeah it has simple chord progressions... like... uhm... 98% of green days songs. when you look for complex music, maybe don't listen to green day?

i think the lyrics were written about a an overall feel about life and whats important. they describe the disappointments of the past and acknowledge how the memories of better times can wear you down. and when you feel all sorry for yourself and dwell in the past you should remember, that the past is only "where your spirit seems to roam". but your spirit is in the present and what we remember of the past is a distortion of reality anyways ("what we remember becomes folklore"). you should live in the present and see that it's wasted time to grieve about someone or something too long. may it be disappointed love, friends who abandoned you or changed, etc... ("You’re dragging on, your heart’s been broken"). see the present as a chance to experience all you seem to have lost again:

"Well, don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of tomorrow
Well, don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of love"

[Ian1234]

Speaking of 21 Guns, I like the live version of 21 Guns better than the studio...

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I always believed stone was meant to be a metaphor for someone cold and uncaring.

Well the stone is something hard and cold. It seems to me, to be talking about a dishonest person seeking forgiveness he doesn’t really want or even need, from a source that can’t and wouldn’t need to give it (the stone).

Not to mention the line is a part of the greatest bridge they have (live)

Well it's just a really shitty metaphor, it sounds bad. Like Billie went "oh it's gotta be something/someone cold/uncaring etc and it must rhyme with home. Yeah, "stone" probably works". Usually a metaphor makes sense in the context, but now it's just weird

And what is the liar doing there as well, like, that part of the metaphor doesn't make sense in the rest of the song either. Thematically it fits, but in any other way it's just a completely strange line. Like he tried to use a proverb but instead made one up with random elements. It doesn't work at all.

i don't even mind the vague lyrics in 21 guns (even the weird line about the stone) because it's just a good song in general whereas the forgotten isn't

yeah overall 21 Guns wins from the Forgotten with a landslide

[Mykee Mexx]

Hm, I like the lyrics of the Forgotten. Because they create (for me) a certain sad, lost, melancholic atmosphere. A sad, thoughtful song. I like sad songs. I like The Forgotten, because the words remain rather unclear. But still -I can understand them or what they create in me.

[Sauli]

"I don't feel strange, it's more like haunted" pretty much sums up all I think is wrong with those lyrics.

"I can’t quite put my finger on it
But it’s like a child that was left behind"

First he says he does not have a clue what it is, and then he uses a metaphor that only makes things even more confusing.

"Like losing faith to our abandon"

And what the heck this even means? Is it the same Abandon who causes those scars that they "share"?

I appreciate good poetry and good allegories and metaphors when I see ones, but to me the Forgotten just feels like a bunch of metaphors and aforisms that may sound deep, but actually have nought substance.

The chorus is lyrically decent, but to me it seems to be more like your usual "seize the day"-stuff and nothing special.

Where in the world did my mind go,

as our spirits walk on earth

equivocal but examious

these sonorous words I blurt

Once I used to make some sense

but then I bought a rhyming book

now it all sounds so abstruse

but to me it all seems off the hook

Do I make a sagacious impression

Like the first man on the moon

Don't ask what that stands for

Or you gonna look like a fool.

[Mykee Mexx]

Thanks for calling me a fool. Well, to me the words make sense somehow, but nevertheless I don´t have to interprete them word by word, sentence by sentence. And, yes, even if he was just joking, and is laughing at the dumb fools who seem to find some meaning in his stupid words - I know, this song has an impact on me, and I like it. Maybe it´s just rubbish, I don´t give a damn. I don´t need intellectual interpretations of music or lyrics. The only thing I´m interested in is does it speak to me or not, is there a resonance or not. And I don´t need to know anything else about it.

[JOE THE X-KID]

I actually like The Forgotten, it's like a nostalgic look back on your life. I dunno it just gives me a warm feeling inside.

[Penguin Puffball]

I didn't realize people hated that song so much I actually really like The Forgotten.

[Spike]

I didn't realize people hated that song so much I actually really like The Forgotten.

You don't come in here much, do you?

[Z J]

Well it's just a really shitty metaphor, it sounds bad. Like Billie went "oh it's gotta be something/someone cold/uncaring etc and it must rhyme with home. Yeah, "stone" probably works". Usually a metaphor makes sense in the context, but now it's just weird

And what is the liar doing there as well, like, that part of the metaphor doesn't make sense in the rest of the song either. Thematically it fits, but in any other way it's just a completely strange line. Like he tried to use a proverb but instead made one up with random elements. It doesn't work at all.

yeah overall 21 Guns wins from the Forgotten with a landslide

I think you're missing the most important aspect of the line, which is the note he hits on 'stone' live. makes my heart flutter

Speaking of 21 Guns, I like the live version of 21 Guns better than the studio...

Duh

[Penguin Puffball]

You don't come in here much, do you?

Not really, no

[Spike]

Not really, no

Save yourself while you still can.

[Mykee Mexx]

I think the line in 21 Guns is indeed "like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stoned". Grammar error, I guess...

[Spike]

I think the line in 21 Guns is indeed "like a liar looking for forgiveness from a stoned". Grammar error, I guess...

This is from the lyric book, so it's definitely "stone."

[bagelfeet]

I always looked at the line like the "liar" is looking for forgiveness in the wrong places, and looking for forgiveness that he's not going to get anywhere.

[Mykee Mexx]

This is from the lyric book, so it's definitely "stone."

That´s what I said "grammar error".

[gnash]

I always took the 'stone' to be a headstone, asking for forgiveness too late from someone they'd lost. Never given it any thought as to how that might fit with the rest of the lyrics mind...

[Guest]

I didn't realize people hated that song so much I actually really like The Forgotten.

it's hard, being a Forgotten lover in this thread.

[Anaïs.]

it's hard, being a Forgotten lover in this thread.

Of all the first-world problems in the world, this may be the first-world-problem-est one to exist.

[Guest]

Of all the first-world problems in the world, this may be the first-world-problem-est one to exist.

I have a problem, it's that you're missing a freakout on Skype right now. That's pretty first world

[Anaïs.]

I have a problem, it's that you're missing a freakout on Skype right now. That's pretty first world

Sorry, I'm in the middle of two massive papers.

[The Disappearing Boy]

Sorry, I'm in the middle of two massive papers.

Lemme guess, Financial Times and Daily Telegraph?

[Anaïs.]

Lemme guess, Financial Times and Daily Telegraph?

[Sauli]

Lemme guess, Financial Times and Daily Telegraph?

Trying to outsmart Tom as the Undefeatable Connoisseur of Bad Jokes, are you?