Popular Post Spike Posted June 23, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2014 "I don't know" in Jesus of Suburbia 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah, but it works, doesn't it? I mean, the song is supposed to convey a certain feeling of being out of your head and out of options and feeling stuck, and the frantic repetitiveness of that last chorus of "Uptight" conveys that feeling very well. Billie's reliance upon repetitiveness in the Trilogy just feels like pure laziness, though. I mean, any of the other songs that have been discussed here could have been put together far more effectively and with more cleverness and still would have delivered the same message. blah blah blah, preaching to the choir, etc. What did you expect? This is GDC where we criticize everything as if Green Day songs are politics. Seriously, this forum has brought a lot of good to my Green Day experience, but I miss the days when I could just sit back and ENJOY Green Day. Now I have all these technicalities/parodies/criticisms stuck in my head and it makes Green Day binging a difficult experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Fuck. "I don't care." This is what happens when I post on GDC first thing in the morning 1 p.m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 What did you expect? This is GDC where we criticize everything as if Green Day songs are politics. Seriously, this forum has brought a lot of good to my Green Day experience, but I miss the days when I could just sit back and ENJOY Green Day. Now I have all these technicalities/parodies/criticisms stuck in my head and it makes Green Day binging a difficult experience. You know you don't HAVE to use GDC if it's such a negative experience, right? Not being easily influenced by other people's opinions also helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 What did you expect? This is GDC where we criticize everything as if Green Day songs are politics. Seriously, this forum has brought a lot of good to my Green Day experience, but I miss the days when I could just sit back and ENJOY Green Day. Now I have all these technicalities/parodies/criticisms stuck in my head and it makes Green Day binging a difficult experience. What's wrong with parodies? In all seriousness, apart from the Trilogy, which rightfully deserves to be hated ( ), what Green Day stuff have you seen seriously eviscerated here to the point that it's ruined your enjoyment? Apart from Ceadog I'm pretty sure we all still love the band. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifmemoryserves Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 In all seriousness, apart from the Trilogy, which rightfully deserves to be hated ( ), what Green Day stuff have you seen seriously eviscerated here to the point that it's ruined your enjoyment? Apart from Ceadog I'm pretty sure we all still love the band.idk, i wear my "worst green day fan" award like a badge of honor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 You know you don't HAVE to use GDC if it's such a negative experience, right? Not being easily influenced by other people's opinions also helps. I used to love Green Day then I joined GDC and now I hate them for anything else there's MasterCard 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I used to love Green Day then I joined GDC and now I hate them for anything else there's MasterCard I like to see Green Day do a bit more progressive stuff on their next album. I'm not sure if the band would ever be up to doing a prog rock album; I think it's beyond Billie's songwriting capabilities, to be quite frank. I'd love to see them experiment even more with their production, though—push it even further than 21CB did. I'm not saying they should go full Nightwish, but more eclectic instrumentation would be most welcome. #bringbackbutch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 What did you expect? This is GDC where we criticize everything as if Green Day songs are politics. Seriously, this forum has brought a lot of good to my Green Day experience, but I miss the days when I could just sit back and ENJOY Green Day. Now I have all these technicalities/parodies/criticisms stuck in my head and it makes Green Day binging a difficult experience. Just go and post in some threads other than this one lol. There's loads just for talking about favourite lyrics or different albums etc if you look for them, or even just Random Green Day Thoughts. If you're tired of the negativity in this thread (I mean, negativity is pretty much its purpose) take a break from it and post some positive stuff in others instead. Also whether in this thread or anywhere else remember that if you enjoy something that's all that matters, whether others enjoy it or think you should or not is unimportant. Music is there to be enjoyed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's weird... I wanted to look up repetitive songs on other CDs to counteract this argument, but as I started prodding through their discography I realized there really aren't too many. The only ones that came even close are Are We The Waiting (which makes sense for "call and response"), Uptight (epic song), Castaway (also doesn't suck), Know Your Enemy (sucks) and songs from the pre-Dookie era like Don't Leave Me and I Want to be Alone. Can we really say his chorus writing regressed to his teenaged years? Damn. It's one thing to claim the lazy writing is just a myth by comparing the Kill the DJ chorus to a part of a song like "I don't know" in Jesus of Suburbia, but when you objcetively check out the choruses of past songs... damn, it's kind of painfully obvious. Unless you consider they were going for the pre-Dookie vibe (which I guess they kind of were, maturity-wise, even if they won't admit it). Out of 120-odd songs in their catalogue (pre-Trilogy), there was always gonna be a few which had repetitive choruses, but I'm sure the ratio increased in the Trilogy. Mind you, I'm too lazy to actually look in to it, so I may be proved wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'm not sure if the band would ever be up to doing a prog rock album; I think it's beyond Billie's songwriting capabilities, to be quite frank. I'd love to see them experiment even more with their production, thoughpush it even further than 21CB did. I'm not saying they should go full Nightwish, but more eclectic instrumentation would be most welcome. #bringbackbutch I dunno, I think they're capable but they hold back because short in your face, pop songs are what Green Day do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's weird... I wanted to look up repetitive songs on other CDs to counteract this argument, but as I started prodding through their discography I realized there really aren't too many. The only ones that came even close are Are We The Waiting (which makes sense for "call and response"), Uptight (epic song), Castaway (also doesn't suck), Know Your Enemy (sucks) and songs from the pre-Dookie era like Don't Leave Me and I Want to be Alone. Can we really say his chorus writing regressed to his teenaged years? Damn. Well, people do tend to regress when they go older. Oh yeah. Does Suffocate count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'd say let's wait to hear the next Green Day album before saying Billie lost his writing abilities... I think he wrote the trilogy as meant for fun and not all serious and for him fun and not serious is repeating words over and over... Edit not to give excuses or anything... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I went through all the lyrics and made a list of songs with repeating choruses. That's how much I love you guys Why Do You Want Him Don't Leave Me Sweet Children Best Thing in Town All By Myself 86 Westbound Sign (The best Green Day song ever) Platypus (I Hate You) Haushinka Take Back Warning Money Money 2020 Are We the Waiting Favorite Son Governator Christian's Inferno American Eulogy Hearts Collide Let Yourself Go Kill the DJ Troublemaker Oh Love See You Tonight Stop When the Red Lights Flash Makeout Party Missing You Walk Away 99 Revolutions Know your enemy doesn't have repeat in the chorus, just the verses, so I didn't include it, same with I Want to Be Alone and some others. and yeah, dat trilogy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So, pre-Trilogy, 17 out of 124 (studio albums) songs had repeating choruses or 1 out of every 7.2 songs (not including Money Money 2020). On the Trilogy, 10 in 37 songs, or 1 out of every 3.7, had a repeating chorus. To be honest, I've forgotten why we're even discussing this, or what point we're even trying to make, but there we are. As for production, I'd like to see them do a self-produced album, to see how that would turn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 You guys misunderstood what I was saying. It's not people's opinions that bother. It's not like someone trashing a particular song makes me no longer like it. I just mean that when you spend us much time as we do analyzing everything Green Day, it starts to feel bland and mechanized. That's also partly due to listening to them so often, but part of it comes from the forum. And I'm not hating on you guys or the forum. I'm here because I enjoy it. Also, I loved the 21GDC parodies (or at least the ones I understood), so there's nothing wrong with parodies. I meant more along the lines of lyrically. Stuff like "raw ham" and stuff that I think of when I hear the song and it ruins he moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So, pre-Trilogy, 17 out of 124 (studio albums) songs had repeating choruses or 1 out of every 7.2 songs (not including Money Money 2020). On the Trilogy, 10 in 37 songs, or 1 out of every 3.7, had a repeating chorus. To be honest, I've forgotten why we're even discussing this, or what point we're even trying to make, but there we are. As for production, I'd like to see them do a self-produced album, to see how that would turn out. Green Day already has a self produced album Warning Rob came in afterwards and helped with the sequencing and stuff but GD produced the album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Stuff like "raw ham" and stuff that I think of when I hear the song and it ruins he moment. I'd argue it makes the songs even better. I do understand, in all seriousness--I often wish, particularly with film, that I could regain my analysis virginity and just simply enjoy the damn things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Green Day already has a self produced album Warning Rob came in afterwards and helped with the sequencing and stuff but GD produced the album I'd say Warning is one hell of a solid album, I love it, and I think most people on here do too. But Green Day's sound always changes from album to album. So people that hate the trilogy, don't abandon Green Day just yet. Their next album won't be the same as the trilogy, it could be worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Know your enemy doesn't have repeat in the chorus, just the verses, so I didn't include itThe repeated bits in Know Your Enemy are the choruses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The repeated bits in Know Your Enemy are the choruses Oh, my bad, you're right. For some reason I thought the "Insurgency will rise..." part was the chorus, but I see now that it isn't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Green Day already has a self produced album Warning Rob came in afterwards and helped with the sequencing and stuff but GD produced the album Oh really? Well it was pretty good so yeah - moar again pls grn dy. Oh and I'm glad I'm crap at analysing stuff - makes me appreciate things for what they are and sometimes it annoys me a bit when every chord, lyric and meaning, or every camera angle, line and plot point has to be dissected. Just enjoy things for what they are! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoopy Doo Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I went through all the lyrics and made a list of songs with repeating choruses. That's how much I love you guys The One I Want Do Da Da Reject King For a Day Spike Right Hand-a-Rama Spastic Society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The One I Want Do Da Da Reject King For a Day Spike Right Hand-a-Rama Spastic Society King for a day only repeats twice, I tried not to include things things teice or less. Some of my lyrics don't include repeats, they only have the one line, so that's how I missed those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoopy Doo Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 King for a day only repeats twice, I tried not to include things things teice or less. Some of my lyrics don't include repeats, they only have the one line, so that's how I missed those Oh, okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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