DookieLukie Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post WhiteTim Posted June 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2014 You're just special ;) So you dumped Lady Nightlife for Alissa? Lol jk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Kong Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'd be in favor if Green Day's next release was just a 4 or 5 track EP. Something different for a change and not a huge project especially coming off of a trilogy that sold very poorly (save Uno which sold alright but not great) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 My problem with the Trilogy lyrics is the lack of intelligence. Example: Someone kill the DJ shoot the fucking DJ Someone kill the DJ shoot the fucking DJ Someone kill the DJ shoot the fucking DJ Now I get the intention behind that chorus - that a lot of modern music is boring, repetitive and contains gratuitous swearing. Nothing wrong with that message, but the issue is that Billie Joe of old would have written a witty, clever one-liner or verse, or chorus to convey that message, not the same (rubbish) line repeated three times. The thing is, this isn't the only time this happened on the Trilogy. Please read the verses for excellent lyrics . Having a repetitive catchy chorus (which in this case is even repetitive for an extra good reason) and verses with more complex/clever lyrics is a pretty standard way of making a song. True, but there's a bit more to it than that. He didn't just use Train's name for no reason. "One of [Train's] parents was born a hermaphrodite, and [Train's parents] cut off the penis. His/her whole life, this person wanted to be acknowledged as a man. The parents wanted the child to not be identified as a boy or a girl, and the child didn't really have a name --one week it's Tigger, another it's Train. Many years ago I wrote it down, and I always wanted to write a song called 'Little Boy Named Train.' [This] happened to someone else, but there's a part of me I was thinking about when I wrote it. There's a line: 'I'm always lost, I'll never change, give me directions and I'll get lost again.' Kind of autobiographical." -- Billie Joe Billie Joe's son went to school with "Train," who was raised by two women. Throughout the song, the narrator eludes to the general feeling of uncertainty surrounding this character. As a child, the character did not have control of his life, and was forced to roll with the punches, "like a rat inside a maze." This carries strong meaning, because this high degree of uncertainty isn't usually part of a person's life. Now, the only choice "Train" has is to accept what he's been through, and wonder where he'll be tomorrow. The song is completely summed up in these lines: "Don't know where I come from / But I know where I have been." Just because the song was inspired by that story is doesn't mean it's supposed to tell that story. It isn't and he's never claimed it is. It's about feeling lost and trying to work out your place in life. Also I think the version of the story you've posted (from GDA) is wrong. The bolded "[Train's]" parts have been added, Billie didn't say that, he said "One of the parents was born a hermaphrodite and [his parents] cut off the penis." Pretty sure he meant the parent of Train is the person who was born a hermaphrodite, and their penis was cut off by their parents, ie Train's grandparents had Train's parent's penis cut off, as was a standard thing to do with people born hermaphrodite in the past. Then because of that when Train's parent grew up and had Train they decided not to label him as one gender or the other (as they'd had done to themselves very violently) and let him decide himself instead. That really should be changed on GDA, it's incorrect. A parent couldn't just decide to cut off their baby's penis because they felt like it for goodness sake. Proper quote in full: Tré! also has a song based on a person's life, which Armstrong was able to use for inspiration and reflexion: "Little Boy Named Train". Armstrong's son was a schoolmate in Berkeley with a boy who was being raised by two women. "One of the parents was born a hermaphrodite and [his parents] cut off the penis. His/her whole life, this person wanted to be acknowledged as a man. The parents wanted the child to not be identified as a boy or girl, and the child didn't really have a name - one week it's Tigger, another it's Train. Many years ago I wrote it down and I always wanted to write a song called "Little Boy Named Train" . It happened to someone else, but there's a part of me I was thinking about when I wrote it. There's a line: 'I'm always lost, I'll never change. Give me directions and I'm lost again.' Kind of autobiographical " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So you dumped Lady Nightlife for Alissa? Lol jk Oh, should I break it to him that I'm married? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Funky Kong Posted June 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2014 Oh, should I break it to him that I'm married? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The first one had a child and the second one is married. Poor Lukie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Oh, should I break it to him that I'm married? Lmao I hope he will be okay by the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spike Posted June 23, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2014 So you dumped Lady Nightlife for Alissa? Lol jk I feel another 21GDC b-side coming on. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I feel another 21GDC b-side coming on. Hell yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 But the point is, as you said yourself, that it's ironic. If you're taking the piss out of repetitive music it's perfectly understandable to be repetitive in order to make the point. Anyway, obviously I'm no Trilogy-lover, but applying the "lack of lyrical intelligence" shtick to all three albums based on one song seems a bit unfair, especially when you've then pointed out why it's not even that dumb after all. And especially when that song has some of the best verses Billie has ever written. Not really, it's just based on a crappy story in the first place. My point was though, that while irony was one way of approaching achieving that message, I think it's also a lazy way. Billie used to use great intelligence and wit to convey irony/satire/whatever you wanna call it, and the fact that Kill the DJ has such great verses makes the chorus even more of a let down. Like, if he could write great stuff for the verses, why not for the chorus too? Billie's writing just got too simple and lazy on the Trilogy. Alyssa pointed out earlier the amount of songs whose choruses consist of the same repeated line, and I just don't understand what's happened to Billie's writing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Jain Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Billie's writing just got too simple and lazy on the Trilogy. Alyssa pointed out earlier the amount of songs whose choruses consist of the same repeated line, and I just don't understand what's happened to Billie's writing. everything's gonna be alright, have faith, he'll be back with some great writings, similar to 21 CBD..!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 My point was though, that while irony was one way of approaching achieving that message, I think it's also a lazy way. Billie used to use great intelligence and wit to convey irony/satire/whatever you wanna call it, and the fact that Kill the DJ has such great verses makes the chorus even more of a let down. Like, if he could write great stuff for the verses, why not for the chorus too? Billie's writing just got too simple and lazy on the Trilogy. Alyssa pointed out earlier the amount of songs whose choruses consist of the same repeated line, and I just don't understand what's happened to Billie's writing. That's an understandable point, I see what you're getting at. I still don't think it's a point against his writing though, and personally I like the contrast between a more complex verse and simple chorus. Even if the chorus itself isn't very good. And substance abuse, mainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 My point was though, that while irony was one way of approaching achieving that message, I think it's also a lazy way. Billie used to use great intelligence and wit to convey irony/satire/whatever you wanna call it, and the fact that Kill the DJ has such great verses makes the chorus even more of a let down. Like, if he could write great stuff for the verses, why not for the chorus too? Billie's writing just got too simple and lazy on the Trilogy. Alyssa pointed out earlier the amount of songs whose choruses consist of the same repeated line, and I just don't understand what's happened to Billie's writing. Which makes me wonder. Can we ever do a list of Green Day songs where the chorus is basically the same line/s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Which makes me wonder. Can we ever do a list of Green Day songs where the chorus is basically the same line/s? Are We The Waiting, Know Your Enemy, Warning and 86 come to mind off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Which makes me wonder. Can we ever do a list of Green Day songs where the chorus is basically the same line/s? Uptight semi-qualifies, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Christian's Inferno, Why Do You Want Him, Don't Leave Me... And Uptight has four different lines in the chorus, I don't think that qualifies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Christian's Inferno, Why Do You Want Him, Don't Leave Me... And Uptight has four different lines in the chorus, I don't think that qualifies I was referring more to that chorus being repeated ad infinitum toward the end of the song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I feel another 21GDC b-side coming on. I did it for the parody Uptight semi-qualifies, I think. Hardly, though. Uptight's chorus repeats words but it's very creative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hardly, though. Uptight's chorus repeats words but it's very creative. See the above post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah, but it works, doesn't it? I mean, the song is supposed to convey a certain feeling of being out of your head and out of options and feeling stuck, and the frantic repetitiveness of that last chorus of "Uptight" conveys that feeling very well. Oh, totally--I wasn't saying the repitition was offensive in this case, just that it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Uptight is one of their best songs ever, and certainly one of the best choruses. Why wouldn't they repeat it ad nauseum? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 My point was though, that while irony was one way of approaching achieving that message, I think it's also a lazy way. Billie used to use great intelligence and wit to convey irony/satire/whatever you wanna call it, and the fact that Kill the DJ has such great verses makes the chorus even more of a let down. Like, if he could write great stuff for the verses, why not for the chorus too? Billie's writing just got too simple and lazy on the Trilogy. It's weird... I wanted to look up repetitive songs on other CDs to counteract this argument, but as I started prodding through their discography I realized there really aren't too many. The only ones that came even close are Are We The Waiting (which makes sense for "call and response"), Uptight (epic song), Castaway (also doesn't suck), Know Your Enemy (sucks) and songs from the pre-Dookie era like Don't Leave Me and I Want to be Alone. Can we really say his chorus writing regressed to his teenaged years? Damn. It's one thing to claim the lazy writing is just a myth by comparing the Kill the DJ chorus to a part of a song like "I don't know" in Jesus of Suburbia, but when you objcetively check out the choruses of past songs... damn, it's kind of painfully obvious. Unless you consider they were going for the pre-Dookie vibe (which I guess they kind of were, maturity-wise, even if they won't admit it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I like to see Green Day do a bit more progressive stuff on their next album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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