JOE THE X-KID Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I do want a live recorded album. It's what Green Day do best, playing in a room together. It's what real music is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Maybe he's just trolled the shit out of us and Demolicious was what he was referring to all along. That said, given how Demolicious sounds, maybe he expected the finished Trilogy to sound something like the demos and that's why he made the comments he did at the time. Blame it on drugs and alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 I do want a live recorded album. It's what Green Day do best, playing in a room together. It's what real music is. The first two albums were recorded live if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I do want a live recorded album. It's what Green Day do best, playing in a room together. It's what real music is. theres no such a thing as real music. Its a fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The first two albums were recorded live if I remember correctly. As was Dookie, with the exception of Tre re-doing the drum tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 As was Dookie, with the exception of Tre re-doing the drum tracks. Not quite, but yeah. The drums were tightened up manually with tape editing, and the vocals were done separately - they initially recorded guide tracks during the live recordings. That's the closest they've come to live on a major label album though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Blame it on drugs and alcohol. nah to be honest, hearing the demos I can understand how pumped they were to release these albums and how the creativity was flowing. They just completely butchered it in the production process. The first two albums were recorded live if I remember correctly. I know but I mean modern Green Day haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Maybe he's just trolled the shit out of us and Demolicious was what he was referring to all along. That said, given how Demolicious sounds, maybe he expected the finished Trilogy to sound something like the demos and that's why he made the comments he did at the time. I first seen Billie talk about a live studio album in the early 2000 a lil after Warning then he brought it up again during the AI era again in 21st era then the trilogy era either he just all talks or maybe they attempt it and don't like the results 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 I first seen Billie talk about a live studio album in the early 2000 a lil after Warning then he brought it up again during the AI era again in 21st era then the trilogy era either he just all talks or maybe they attempt it and don't like the results Maybe they just can't fit an album's worth of songs and 35 minutes of hey-ohs onto a standard CD. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I dont like Demolicious. A wee bit better production does not correct the fact those songs were badly/lazily written in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Maybe they just can't fit an album's worth of songs and 35 minutes of hey-ohs onto a standard CD. Hahahahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Not quite, but yeah. The drums were tightened up manually with tape editing, and the vocals were done separately - they initially recorded guide tracks during the live recordings. That's the closest they've come to live on a major label album though. Oh really? I thought they recorded it all live and then re-did the drums. I'm sure it was in one of those interviews that came out around February this year, but I can't be bothered to find it, so I'll take your word for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 Oh really? I thought they recorded it all live and then re-did the drums. I'm sure it was in one of those interviews that came out around February this year, but I can't be bothered to find it, so I'll take your word for it! This is from the SoundOnSound interview with Neill King, who engineered Dookie: "It's not that Tré wasn't a good drummer, but in terms of his performances we wanted the best of the best. In line with the Who directive, we wanted to let him sound exciting, but back in the early‑'90s you couldn't get a record played on the radio if it wasn't in time, even a rock & roll record. So, although we wanted him to do all of his wild fills and crazy drumming, we couldn't just let him go. He'd drift in and out of time, which is terrific live, but which was unacceptable on radio at that time. We were still under the tyranny of the click track. We'd therefore let him play, but we would take a fantastic tom fill that he did and insert that into one of his better bed tracks." Full thing here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Keith Moon was always in time in studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I feel dumb asking this, but could someone give me an example of drumming in and out of time on a studio recording? I can't think of any significant examples I've heard in-studio, though I've probably heard them and just not marked them, as I'm not entirely sure of the exact definition in terms of drumming. My technical knowledge of music ends with piano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 I feel dumb asking this, but could someone give me an example of drumming in and out of time on a studio recording? I can't think of any significant examples I've heard in-studio, though I've probably heard them and just not marked them, as I'm not entirely sure of the exact definition in terms of drumming. My technical knowledge of music ends with piano. Aren't you a Beatles fan? Come Together instantly springs to mind, those fills are hilarious. Keith Moon was always in time in studio. The article never claimed otherwise, it was just saying that Tre is similar in terms of attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Aren't you a Beatles fan? Come Together instantly springs to mind, those fills are hilarious. Hey, I never claimed Ringo was an all-star drummer. Okay, that gives me a better idea, thanks. Oh, wait "Amazing Journey" by The Who! There *is* one I remember. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauli Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Ringo does it intentionally. Beatles were gods. They were unable to do mistakes. Ringo was the best drummer ever. though he isnt bad. but not spectacular either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hey, I never claimed Ringo was an all-star drummer. Okay, that gives me a better idea, thanks. Oh, wait "Amazing Journey" by The Who! There *is* one I remember. A more subtle example is No One Knows by QOTSA, but I think that's just really loose rather than out of time, strictly speaking. You should listen to Anarchy In The UK and concentrate on the drums there - when they recorded it, Paul Cook was so out of time that they only had a few bars at a time to work with, and you can hear very clearly where they've looped sections as the cymbals' ringing abruptly cuts every few bars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Kong Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Maybe they just can't fit an album's worth of songs and 35 minutes of hey-ohs onto a standard CD. THIS!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I love both of them. Don't Leave Me's riff is so fucking fun to play. And Prosthetic Head is one of their most underrated songs. The weird thing about it is that Don't Leave Me is probably the only song in 39/Smooth that I could never get to listen in full. I mean, I often give Prosthetic Head a listen or two every now and then, but DLM...I just find my ears automatically shutting down once that song plays. Another opinion: Tre should totally record an album where he does all the vocals. Let that Billie Joe guy take a backseat every now and then. Hell, while we're at it let's also do a Mike-does-vocals and Jason-does-vocals type of album too. Then we could make that the 'new' Trilogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Kong Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Let that Billie Joe guy take a backseat every now and then. I doubt his ego would ever allow this. I mean even Mike's backing vocals are mixed to the point it just sounds like Billie harmonizing with himself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I doubt his ego would ever allow this. I mean even Mike's backing vocals are mixed to the point it just sounds like Billie harmonizing with himself. TIE THAT MUTHAFUKKA TO A CHAIR But seriously, the day I listen Mike or Tre or Jason actually sing a complete song by themselves is the day I'll die happy. Hey, a guy can dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 TIE THAT MUTHAFUKKA TO A CHAIR But seriously, the day I listen Mike or Tre or Jason actually sing a complete song by themselves is the day I'll die happy. Hey, a guy can dream. Governator. But no, fuck that noise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat1308 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Governator. But no, fuck that noise. I'm sorry, but I live in a world where Governator doesn't exist. Let me change what I just said: a complete album by themselves. Billie Joe Armstrong? Who's that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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