Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[DookieLukie]

I totally disagree with that, first because they actually never said they were going back to their roots or making an album like Dookie, and second because it doesn't sound like Dookie and is different from anything they've done before. I think some fans might feel that way because of all the shit going around about "back to their roots", they expected that and then were disappointed when they "failed" to deliver it, as if they'd tried to do that but missed the mark. But in reality all the band did was decide to make some simpler, more fun and spontaneous albums after the heaviness of making 21st CB, with a retro/rock and roll twist that made them different to their older simpler stuff, and never claimed to be doing anything other than that.

Ok I can agree with that. But I think that there was pressure to go back to light-hearted music, which is why the Trilogy seemed so force. If you disagree, check my signature

[JOE THE X-KID]

Ok I can agree with that. But I think that there was pressure to go back to light-hearted music, which is why the Trilogy seemed so force. If you disagree, check my signature

I'd hate to think that Green Day feel like they have to do like old school punk or whatever, they should just move on

[Hermione]

Ok I can agree with that. But I think that there was pressure to go back to light-hearted music, which is why the Trilogy seemed so force. If you disagree, check my signature

Haha well signature and all I'd say the opposite, that it was the natural way to relieve pressure . By all accounts making 21st CB was intense and a hard slog at times, and the pressure after American Idiot must've been significant. They had less pressure on them after AI's follow up was out of the way and I would've thought going more laid back and light-hearted would be a natural and welcome direction to go in after that, especially after getting a taste for it and having been able to test it out and see that it works with Foxboro.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I totally disagree with that, first because they actually never said they were going back to their roots or making an album like Dookie, and second because it doesn't sound like Dookie and is different from anything they've done before. I think some fans might feel that way because of all the shit going around about "back to their roots", they expected that and then were disappointed when they "failed" to deliver it, as if they'd tried to do that but missed the mark. But in reality all the band did was decide to make some simpler, more fun and spontaneous albums after the heaviness of making 21st CB, with a retro/rock and roll twist that made them different to their older simpler stuff, and never claimed to be doing anything other than that.

I thought Billie did say in an interview that these albums (or maybe it was just Uno) sound "most like Dookie." Which is a lie, since I think much of them sound most like Warning... but then again we can't take everything Billie says literally, can we?

[ouimetnick]

Perhaps there is something wrong with me, but I like their newer stuff. American Idiot, 21st Century Breakdown, Uno, Dos, Tre, and Stop Drop and Roll!!!... The guitars don't seems as compressed as they did in their older stuff. Demolicious is over compressed. Some old songs are nice: When I Come Around, Basket Case, Good Riddance, Geek Stink Breath, Welcome to Paradise, Warning, Minority, Maria, Poprocks and Coke, and Waiting.

I like Billie's modern voice. His younger voice kinda sounds like he ran a marathon and is singing out of breath. I guess they are less punk, but I like that. I like how they aren't death metal or anything, and how some songs are really upbeat and energetic, some are regular and then there are some (Restless Heart Syndrome, Amy, Last Night on Earth, Brutal Love, 21 Guns, The Forgotten, etc, that you can fall asleep to.

[Clockwise]

Perhaps

I totally get what you're saying, and I agree. I much prefer listening to their newer material than older, it's just more appealing to me these days. I haven't listened to an older GD album in quite while, actually. But that's just because of my ongoing love affair with the trilogy.

[Spike]

Perhaps there is something wrong with me, but I like their newer stuff. American Idiot, 21st Century Breakdown, Uno, Dos, Tre, and Stop Drop and Roll!!!... The guitars don't seems as compressed as they did in their older stuff. Demolicious is over compressed. Some old songs are nice: When I Come Around, Basket Case, Good Riddance, Geek Stink Breath, Welcome to Paradise, Warning, Minority, Maria, Poprocks and Coke, and Waiting.

I like Billie's modern voice. His younger voice kinda sounds like he ran a marathon and is singing out of breath. I guess they are less punk, but I like that. I like how they aren't death metal or anything, and how some songs are really upbeat and energetic, some are regular and then there are some (Restless Heart Syndrome, Amy, Last Night on Earth, Brutal Love, 21 Guns, The Forgotten, etc, that you can fall asleep to.

Demolicious isn't overcompressed, the recording quality is just relatively low because they're demos. The original release of Breakdown is one of the most overcompressed albums I've ever heard, which is why the HDTracks version is so good. It was only on American Idiot onwards that they started cranking the mastering compression up. But some of their best songs ever are from American Idiot onwards, as you don't need me to tell you.

[DookieLukie]

I was thinking about it, and I think the the main concession I will make about the quality of the Trilogy is that it doesn't sound like Green Day. Does anyone else feel this way? Maybe it's jut because it has a different vibe/sound, but I feel like it doesn't have the Green Day feel to it.

[Anaïs.]

I was thinking about it, and I think the the main concession I will make about the quality of the Trilogy is that it doesn't sound like Green Day. Does anyone else feel this way? Maybe it's jut because it has a different vibe/sound, but I feel like it doesn't have the Green Day feel to it.

Like Zack has said, the lack of vocal harmonies, bass lines, and guitar power really stands out, and Tre's drums are painfully tiny-sounding.

[Z J]

Like Zack has said, the lack of vocal harmonies, bass lines, and guitar power really stands out, and Tre's drums are painfully tiny-sounding.

I was thinking about it, and I think the the main concession I will make about the quality of the Trilogy is that it doesn't sound like Green Day. Does anyone else feel this way? Maybe it's jut because it has a different vibe/sound, but I feel like it doesn't have the Green Day feel to it.

I should just have that damn post saved somewhere.

And from having people who really aren't GD fans (or they are at least quite casual fans) listen to the trilogy I think the consensus is that the songs don't have the edge that a usual GD song has. That "edge" is Billie's vocal filter mixed with a lot of mid-tempo songs that put the trilogy more in the power pop or pop rock genre than the punk genre. Most people note that the songs are too "happy" sounding.

I think everyone here recognizes the trilogy ain't happy for the most part but because every aspect of their music is really watered down in some way, the songs lose this edge that the common fan identifies with Green Day

[Hermione]

I thought Billie did say in an interview that these albums (or maybe it was just Uno) sound "most like Dookie." Which is a lie, since I think much of them sound most like Warning... but then again we can't take everything Billie says literally, can we?

Yeah he has said Uno kind of sounds like Dookie but only as a way of describing the differences between the three albums, and that was only once it was about to come out, Oh Love was out and we'd heard loads of songs from it. Which I think is very different from saying "we're going back to our roots and making an album like Dookie" months before it was out, which many people thought was said due to a shitty article where they'd twisted the band just saying they were at the stage of being "back to the basics" of going to the studio and recording demos etc to describe the fact that they were at the beginning of the album making process into that, with a load of other articles then running with it. People were expecting a back to their roots album that sounded like Dookie for months and months when the band hadn't even said anything about what it'd sound like based on that, and then got disappointed.

[Purple Haze]

I was thinking about it, and I think the the main concession I will make about the quality of the Trilogy is that it doesn't sound like Green Day. Does anyone else feel this way? Maybe it's jut because it has a different vibe/sound, but I feel like it doesn't have the Green Day feel to it.

Part of me feels like that could be Jason. I mean, Billie did say that there was "a completely different feel in the right speaker". I'm probably talking a huge amount of shite though.

[Spike]

I think everyone here recognizes the trilogy ain't happy for the most part but because every aspect of their music is really watered down in some way, the songs lose this edge that the common fan identifies with Green Day

Yeah, exactly. It's not even so much that the Trilogy is bad per se (which it kind of is, as I've said countless times), but the biggest issue is that we just expect so much better from Green Day and it's a big disappointment that it's not better. It's actually kind of a compliment when you think about it.

[SmoothedOut]

I have to admit that I was expecting more of the trilogy and the era. That said, I think the band should have released 'Demolicious' in 2012. Unlike the Trilogy, promotion of Demolicious has been quite... quiet, and I think it would have fit in with the nature of the songs and the objective of the entire project. Not to say that the songs off the Trilogy are only demo-worthy, but they weren't enough to start this new 'era' that everyone was preaching about. The band let us look into the process of recording and it was an awesome experience. But I think they showed us a little too much and it raised everyone's expectations. People waited day after day, and week after week for trailers, snapshots, and all these things that the band was letting the world see prior to the release and it built up extreme anticipation from the fans.

They were comparing the sound to AC/DC and the Beatles. To Kerplunk. Posters were everywhere. They were going to be on CSI and on a Will Ferrell film. They were getting the world ready for a punk rock revolution it seemed back then. Yes, they didn't exactly say they were going to try and top their previous works but they did build a lot of hype. Too much hype for the fans' own good. Releasing it in the same way they've released Demolicious (in terms of promotion, and maybe production) would have been the most Rock n' Roll thing to do if that was what they were going for. And it would have been safer to do too. If they had embarked on some "Shenanigans World tour", now... I think that would have been the end of them.

[Pat1308]

This. I think a lot of people on this forum have an idyllic view of their music-making process. "They do it cause they luuuv it, they don't care what anyone thinks!"

Their jobs, per se, are to make and sell music. They know that, and if they were just making music for the sake of loving it, one could argue they wouldn't have signed onto a major record label with the intent to sell a shitton of records and get rich. So if they don't sell music, they're failing at their jobs. And they know that. There's no way they "don't care," as much as everyone here would like to think that's true. That's evident in their lack of trilogy promotion post-rehab and lack of significant acknowledgment of the music in their setlist. "Eh, this didn't work, fuck it, let's try something else some other time..."

I agree. It's actually a hard thing to balance, doing something 'for fun' and making a living out of it. Of course, the most important thing in making stuff is that one should enjoy it and that one shouldn't be forced or pressured into doing something (otherwise, what's the point of doing it? It's just a tedious chore), but at the same time I think implying that since the guys are doing it for their personal enjoyment they don't care about it being successful and in turn, making money out of it is too idealistic. It's what they do for a living: since when is earning money a bad thing? (Come to think of it, why do people have a negative view of money anyways? 'Filthy lucre' and all that I mean.)

Nah. The Jews were waiting for a Messiah that they would never get. They had misinterpreted scripture to say that their savior would be a militant one who would aid them in the destruction of Rome and the renewal of the Holy Land. When Jesus came preaching about metaphorical destruction and renewal, most Jews, especially those in power, rejected him. Truthfully, powerful Jews just didn't want anyone tampering with their profitable system, even if it was a Messiah of sorts.

Now to Green Day fans. We're all waiting for another American Idiot or Dookie, an album to help us fight the modern static of pop radio. However, what we will probably get a solid if not equally good album that accomplishes more of a subtle music revolution in ourselves.

Shhh...don't let historical Jesus scholars find your post. They'll nitpick and dissect the hell out of it.

[Z J]

To say they only do it for fun is a bit of a mis-characterization. They certainly have fun, but I think for example, the whole AI-image renewal and media-blitz was money motivated and I think it was clear that the band wanted to be popular again. And there is nothing wrong with that at all, but they certainly aimed to profit.

[Spike]

To say they only do it for fun is a bit of a mis-characterization. They certainly have fun, but I think for example, the whole AI-image renewal and media-blitz was money motivated and I think it was clear that the band wanted to be popular again. And there is nothing wrong with that at all, but they certainly aimed to profit.

I think it's only fair that they did aim to profit anyway though. They were failing commercially with Warning and would have probably got dropped if American Idiot had failed, and that's when they pulled out all the stops. It may have been money motivated but it still gave us one of the most important albums many of us have ever heard. I think it's because of albums like that and Breakdown that they're able to have fun and not worry too much about profit. Ultimately with American Idiot, if it hadn't been great it wouldn't have sold as well as it did, so even if they were purely doing it for profit (which they probably weren't) they still put loads of effort in and wrote an amazing album.

[ifmemoryserves]

here's a game possible changer: i honestly don't think i've ever listened to kerplunk all the way through.

as for the trilogy, it's basically total trash besides like x-kid and fell for you.

[klytaemnestra]

here's a game possible changer: i honestly don't think i've ever listened to kerplunk all the way through.

as for the trilogy, it's basically total trash besides like x-kid and fell for you.

oh my god, you're alive.

i'm not a huge kerplunk fan tbh.

[Z J]

I think it's only fair that they did aim to profit anyway though. They were failing commercially with Warning and would have probably got dropped if American Idiot had failed, and that's when they pulled out all the stops. It may have been money motivated but it still gave us one of the most important albums many of us have ever heard. I think it's because of albums like that and Breakdown that they're able to have fun and not worry too much about profit. Ultimately with American Idiot, if it hadn't been great it wouldn't have sold as well as it did, so even if they were purely doing it for profit (which they probably weren't) they still put loads of effort in and wrote an amazing album.

Didn't mean to imply it was purely for profit, in fact I don't think that any of the music really came from a profit-only inspiration. I was referring more to the image and also the fact they "lost" those C&V tapes has something to do with the profit thing.

I think it was more like: "Wow, if we put out C&V we may just go bankrupt" and then when they went back to the drawing board they found the inspiration that brought us AI.

here's a game possible changer: i honestly don't think i've ever listened to kerplunk all the way through.

as for the trilogy, it's basically total trash besides like x-kid and fell for you.

the first half is possibly better than Dookie

second half is meh

[Spike]

Didn't mean to imply it was purely for profit, in fact I don't think that any of the music really came from a profit-only inspiration. I was referring more to the image

Oh yeah, I know, I was agreeing with you!

[Z J]

Oh yeah, I know, I was agreeing with you!

I don't read as well as I used to

[Spike]

I don't read as well as I used to

I don't write as well as I used to.

[The Disappearing Boy]

the first half is possibly better than Dookie

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a thread winner!

[Pat1308]

as for the trilogy, it's basically total trash besides like x-kid and fell for you.

The way we're going, you'll so feel at home in this thread.

the first half is possibly better than Dookie

Aside from Billie's near-deadpan (stoned?) delivery.