Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[Spike]

I feel like this is funny, but I just don't understand.

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[WhiteTim]

Folks say they didn't pay attention to the trilogy on the tour but they played the same amount of trilogy songs as they did to AI during AI touring and 21st songs during that tour...

The band treats the trilogy as one album... They averaged about 7 or so songs of trilogy songs which is about average...

[Jollyroger118]

The problem is they'd start playing and within fifteen seconds Billie would fuck up the lyrics and give up. Those are definitely my top live rarities too, though. Along with Misery, which I *can't fucking believe Comp'd hasn't released the footage of*.

Are you implying they played Misery when they were on Comp'd??

[Certified Nimrod]

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I feel like this is funny, but I just don't understand.

[Anaïs.]

Are you implying they played Misery when they were on Comp'd??

According to this review of said concert, this was the setlist:

• American Idiot
• Holiday
• Are We the Waiting
• St. Jimmy
• Give Me Novacaine
• Longview
• Welcome to Paradise
• Christie Road
• Going to Pasalacqua
• Who Wrote Holden Caulfield?
• Letterbomb
• I Fought the Law
• Minority
• Misery
• Homecoming

[UNICORN VOMIT]

You serious? Billie was all up in the interviewer. Putting his arm around her. Staring at her with the drunk sex look. If I was his wife, that interview alone would have made me question my marriage.

How did he offend the audience? They seemed to love him.

And I totally agree. There was something about the AI era (and even 21CB era) that makes it the best. Definitely a huge stage presence, the way he dressed, etc. Something about it is just so epic and totally draws me in. So much energy.

I said don't hate me for it

[Z J]

Folks say they didn't pay attention to the trilogy on the tour but they played the same amount of trilogy songs as they did to AI during AI touring and 21st songs during that tour...

The band treats the trilogy as one album... They averaged about 7 or so songs of trilogy songs which is about average...

It's 37 songs....completely different.

7/12 doesn't equal 7/37

[WhiteTim]

It's 37 songs....completely different.

7/12 doesn't equal 7/37

Mike explained it in that radio interview he did...

[Spike]

It's 37 songs....completely different.

7/12 doesn't equal 7/37

An album is an album, though. Would you really WANT more Trilogy songs?

[WhiteTim]

An album is an album, though. Would you really WANT more Trilogy songs?

I liked the trilogy so there are some songs I wish they'd play

[Spike]

I liked the trilogy so there are some songs I wish they'd play

I wish they'd vary it up a bit. To do the same few songs out of such a big collection all the time is a bit annoying.

[WhiteTim]

I wish they'd vary it up a bit. To do the same few songs out of such a big collection all the time is a bit annoying.

Exactly I understand Mike about having so many songs etc but they could have switched a few song per night

[UNICORN VOMIT]

I wish they'd vary it up a bit. To do the same few songs out of such a big collection all the time is a bit annoying.

All the bands did just about the same set at each soundwave - agreed with such a back catalogue they could do what Bruce Springsteen did here last month & play different every night. I know that's hard but there were quite a few of us that went to multiple concerts.

I would have loved even a change up from 2000 light years.

[HolyHandGrenade]

I wish they'd vary it up a bit. To do the same few songs out of such a big collection all the time is a bit annoying.

I get the argument that many concert goers are casual, but to assume that many won't know or want anything but singles is incredibly naive

[Z J]

An album is an album, though. Would you really WANT more Trilogy songs?

Damn you

No I dont want more but honestly it is 3 full length albums.

And ok fine even if you want to argue it's one then there are still a total of 37 songs and they played what, like 50% of em live with some semblance of consistency? The 99 Rev tour was more of greatest hits/dookie tour then it was a trilogy tour.

[Eva]

Don't be silly.

Honestly though, beyond an awesome bassline and arguable uniquity, Longview is just really jarring and I can't get into it at all, even now.

I feel the same way, though I think I can't get into Longview because my older brother used to play it all the time and I just got so sick of it. I love the bass line and drum beat and how it fits together in theory but I get kind of bored of it to be honest. Just can't sit through a minute of just bass and drums and a pissed off Billie, I guess. I need loud guitars for it to work and keep my attention, apparently.

[HolyHandGrenade]

I feel the same way, though I think I can't get into Longview because my older brother used to play it all the time and I just got so sick of it. I love the bass line and drum beat and how it fits together in theory but I get kind of bored of it to be honest. Just can't sit through a minute of just bass and drums and a pissed off Billie, I guess. I need loud guitars for it to work and keep my attention, apparently.

The first five seconds of the chorus (and intro), I'm pumped, then I'm like "meh.'

[PleasedToMeetMe]

I can't watch iHeart ever again because it was just so painful for me to watch and I don't think Billie did anything noble that night. As a musician, he was a mess, he was so grabby with that girl onstage and I don't think anyone took his words seriously because they just screamed of desperation (as in "Waaaah, no one's paying attention to my band anymore") and showed obvious drunkenness. I don't think he said anything to make it worthy of really offending everyone, and I think it was hard to get people offended when they were busy laughing at him or feeling pity for him. The audience didn't give a shit about Green Day's music nor do I think they were the type to really care if he thought they were shit.

Like you said, they shouldn't have done it at all - because if they hadn't, it would be a little easier to respect Billie's point of view. But they were there just like everyone else he seemed to be angry with that night with the same purpose as Usher and whomever else - to sell records and get spins on Clear Channel. I think it would be easier to stomach that night had he really gotten people talking about respect for established acts in the music industry, the corporatization of music or anything like that, but instead, he just created headlines about his health. His rant was about himself and how he felt he should be treated (complete with ignoring the band when saying "I've been around") and nothing else.

The only good thing, to me, about iHeart was that it was a wake-up call for him.

The reason I enjoyed watching it was because it had been a long time since I saw Billie go ape shit like that. When I was growing up Green Day were the 'bad boys' of rock. People called them 'snotty punks' and at that time there was no Good Riddance (at least not the version that became a massive hit). They weren't known for wearing eyeliner or being political or playing rock operas, they were trouble. Up until Good Riddance, I dont think anybody would have guessed that Billie had an ounce of softness in him. I love American Idiot, I even love 21st Century Breakdown. I have no problem with the eyeliner or the rock operas or the big political statements, but it was a shock to see him in that state of mind. I dont think he was exactly in the right, but when I saw it I remember thinking "fuck yeah Billie, tell em like it is". There are much better examples like for instance when he dropkicks the fan in 1998, but when I first watched it I saw it as Billie not taking shit. He was obviously in a bad state of mind and needed help, but I dont think you can tell me that the show would have gone any better had he not been drunk. He's said several times that he was not excited to play and was stressed out about how it would go. He probably got fucking wasted to try to enjoy himself and ended up enjoying himself a little too much up until the smashing of the guitar and the "god fucking love you all, we'll be back!". Had he not been drunk he probably would have been more level headed about it, but I still think he would have lost his shit in one way or another. Billie has always been disrespectful of curfews and ending times, this is no exception. I dont exactly see it as a "meltdown", I see it as a man being pushed to his limits and blowing up. He had probably been keeping that inside for quite some time.

Also, there's no way in hell he was only drunk during the performance. Id say he was on some anti-anxiety meds as well, probably took way too many with being stressed out about the show. We all know Billie is a good man who makes great music, I think it's unfair to hold this over his head for the rest of his life after all he's given us.

[Pat1308]

I was just trying to think of a not-so-good song from Dookie and failed miserably.

There are no bad songs, only could've-been-better songs.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

The reason I enjoyed watching it was because it had been a long time since I saw Billie go ape shit like that. When I was growing up Green Day were the 'bad boys' of rock.

"When I was growing up..."

But you were 5 when Dookie came out?

[Spike]

We all know Billie is a good man who makes great music, I think it's unfair to hold this over his head for the rest of his life after all he's given us.

To be fair, I don't think anyone's holding it over his head. It was a significant event in his life, and for many of us as Green Day fans, and it's only natural that we're going to talk about it. Many see it as a good thing because it caused him to get the help he needed. I don't see anyone holding it against him or anything, from what I've seen the vast majority of the fanbase (here at least) has been, at the very least, reasonably supportive.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

To be fair, I don't think anyone's holding it over his head. It was a significant event in his life, and for many of us as Green Day fans, and it's only natural that we're going to talk about it. Many see it as a good thing because it caused him to get the help he needed. I don't see anyone holding it against him or anything, from what I've seen the vast majority of the fanbase (here at least) has been, at the very least, reasonably supportive.

We just like to give him shit on a message board he'll never read because we care.

[Spike]

We just like to give him shit on a message board he'll never read because we care.

Obviously! The same goes for Jeff Matika.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Obviously! The same goes for Jeff Matika.

Wait, what about Jeff?

[PleasedToMeetMe]

"When I was growing up..."

But you were 5 when Dookie came out?

Growing up, as in growing up from a kid to a teenager to an adult or whatever the hell I am. They have been my favorite band since Dookie came out and I have followed them ever since. Up until Good Riddance they really never released anything that dabbled with Acoustics or strings or anything like that, then Warning came out and everyone was like "oh my god, Green Day is old and boring now". American Idiot was a total re-invention in many ways, and after that Green Day became even more accepted by the mainstream and young kids than they did when Dookie came out. Ever since then it seems people don't seem to see them for the band they once were. They are still that band, and more than likely always will be, but things changed. They are still a great band and I am a big fan of the trilogy (most of it at least) but sometimes it is weird to see how things have changed. The iHeart radio fiasco wasnt something great, it wasnt a high point of their career, but I enjoyed watching it because it was shocking to see Billie onstage wasted and breaking shit and doing awkward dances. Ya gotta remember that this is the same guy who used to dance around onstage in a leopard skin thong and refer to himself as 'everyone's weird uncle'. It's not the same thing, at all actually, but sometimes Billie is fucking crazy, and I gotta admit that I'm a fan of it.