Asik Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, Liam said: He's not necessarily sober from alcohol for 4 years. When he did his Rolling Stone article he was also on different kinds of pills, and mixing them with alcohol isn't good. Even if he is still drinking alcohol he could easily be sober from whatever pills he was on. He's surrounded by friends and family, I'm sure if he was going off the rails in any way that's dangerous to him they would pull him out to get his shit together. We really don't need to have this conversation though. He doesn't have to let us into these kinds of details in his life but he is. Well youre right. But people commenting here that HE HAS been sober for 4 years, so Im just pointing out that its not true. Yes we dont need this conversation anymore as long as people dont misunderstand the 4year thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Asik said: Well youre right. But people commenting here that HE HAS been sober for 4 years, so Im just pointing out that its not true. Yes we dont need this conversation anymore as long as people dont misunderstand the 4year thing No one misunderstands the 4 years thing. It has been 4 years. He didn't say he's been 100% perfect for all that time. That's just not the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 10 hours ago, michidookie said: Where is this last photo from? It looks like Chicago 2013 but I'm not sure. Would make sense though because that was their first arena show after the whole rehab thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Drinking some beers is quite different from mixing pills and alcohol until the reaching of a black-out point. He's free from this kind of addiction, which was the real deal, if during this 4 years path he kept drinking some alcohol I see no reason to judge him, he reached his goal. I'm quite sure the image he posted is from Fox Theatre 2013, the first show after the rehab. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Joe_Armstrong#/media/File:Billie_en_iheart_radio.jpg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXRustyJamesXx Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, J a c said: Drinking some beers is quite different from mixing pills and alcohol until the reaching of a black-out point. He's free from this kind of addiction, which was the real deal, if during this 4 years path he kept drinking some alcohol I see no reason to judge him, he reached his goal. I'm quite sure the image he posted is from Fox Theatre 2013, the first show after the rehab. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Joe_Armstrong#/media/File:Billie_en_iheart_radio.jpg) the problem is that once you drink only one beer you will probably completely relapse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 We don't really know the details of his addictions or his journey in general, I don't think he's been specific enough for us to say what he is and isn't safe doing. Even if he had, it's not really our place anyway. He's obviously in a much better place now and that's what's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Honestly, it's none of our business what the hashtag even means beyond the fact that it's obviously a goal/milestone for Billie and that's enough to feel proud of him and this band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 1 hour ago, xXRustyJamesXx said: the problem is that once you drink only one beer you will probably completely relapse... Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Tinkle said: Ah fuck here we go again. All I hear is the best fucking cover ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Aww Billie 3 hours ago, Maria Gloria said: It's not forced to be literally 4 years sober, may just be referring to the point when he started to turn his life around. Either way it's not really our business, that's what he wants to share with the fans and feels is right to share with us regardless of its meaning, so we shouldn't be picking it apart. We're lucky he's shared as much as he has! Yeah exactly, since he didn't specify I'm just taking it as 4 years since he started rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 1 hour ago, xXRustyJamesXx said: the problem is that once you drink only one beer you will probably completely relapse... Not really, drinking a beer and mixing alcohol and pills are two completely different things. I don't know, from a medical point of view, what exact kind of addiction has been diagnosed to him, which kind of rehabilitation process he had to follow. But this is his personal life, I don't give a fuck. Three years are passed since that FHT show, nothing bad happened to him again, so I really don't see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 3 hours ago, xXRustyJamesXx said: the problem is that once you drink only one beer you will probably completely relapse... Not if you have any sense of self-control and determination. Just because you WERE an alcoholic or WERE drinking dangerously doesn't mean alcohol has to completely leave your life. It's about moderation and being sensible. Completely down to the individual if they feel that they can handle it, if not, then that's understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Platypus2000 said: Not if you have any sense of self-control and determination. Just because you WERE an alcoholic or WERE drinking dangerously doesn't mean alcohol has to completely leave your life. It's about moderation and being sensible. Completely down to the individual if they feel that they can handle it, if not, then that's understandable. Actually absolutely not true. I'm not talking bout Billie here, but addiction in general. If you have an addictive personality, you will always have one. People become addicts because they can't learn moderation. When someone goes into rehab, they are not taught to moderate, they are taught to swap a harmful addiction for another less harmful one. OF course there are exceptions to every rule. With that, Billie has not shown any indications that he is even remotely relapsing. I am very proud of the way he has recovered and I think we just need to go with what our eyes and ears tell us, that he is better than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stories and songs Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Billie just said in the track-by-track RS article that he used to deal with himself by turning to a beer, and now he tries to find other ways to do that by giving himself space to breathe. So whatever he's doing, he's clearly trying not to use beer as a coping mechanism anymore. If that means anything. EDIT: He honest to goodness doesn't even seem drunk at that FBHT show from 2014. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: People become addicts because they can't learn moderation. It really depends, you can also be an addict because of a general personal situation, a specific event that happened to you, or for the intrinsic characteristics of the drug you're using. Some kind of prescription drugs, or heroin for example, don't give you many chances, if you start using them on a regular base you become an addict. And the rehabilitation process changes also accordingly to this, to the reason you become an addict and to the kind of drugs you were using. If you want to quit with heroin in many cases the doctors will prescribe you methadone, not a complete abstinence. What I want to say is that it's not just a matter of having an "addicted personality". I think we cannot evaluate why Billie was addicted to pills/alcohol, we don't even know what exact kind of addiction he had, and I think we should not know. We are not his doctors. Consequently we cannot either judge him for drinking a beer during/after/before a concert three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, J a c said: It really depends, you can also be an addict because of a general personal situation, a specific event that happened to you, or for the intrinsic characteristics of the drug you're using. Some kind of prescription drugs, or heroin for example, don't give you many chances, if you start using them on a regular base you become an addict. And the rehabilitation process changes also accordingly to this, to the reason you become an addict and to the kind of drugs you were using. If you want to quit with heroin in many cases the doctors will prescribe you methadone, not a complete abstinence. What I want to say is that it's not just a matter of having an "addicted personality". I think we cannot evaluate why Billie was addicted to pills/alcohol, we don't even know what exact kind of addiction he had, and I think we should not know. We are not his doctors. Consequently we cannot either judge him for drinking a beer during/after/before a concert three years ago. I wasn't judging him. I was quoting what I know about addiction from personal experience. It doesn't matter how you have become addicted, as a general rule, a recovering addict cannot moderate the use of what they are addicted too. I in no way, shape or form talked about the recovery methods. Of course the recovery methods are going to be different for every type of addiction, but the doctor will not condone a heroin addict to continue using heroin, the goal is to steer them to something less harmful. No matter what the reasons are that they became addicted, they tendency is to go back to that addiction. That goes for any type of addiction, drugs, alcohol, food,, etc. To keep on subject, I'm glad to see him doing so well, can't wait for the shows to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Scattered Wreck said: I wasn't judging him. I was quoting what I know about addiction from personal experience. It doesn't matter how you have become addicted, as a general rule, a recovering addict cannot moderate the use of what they are addicted too. I in no way, shape or form talked about the recovery methods. Of course the recovery methods are going to be different for every type of addiction, but the doctor will not condone a heroin addict to continue using heroin, the goal is to steer them to something less harmful. No matter what the reasons are that they became addicted, they tendency is to go back to that addiction. That goes for any type of addiction, drugs, alcohol, food,, etc. To keep on subject, I'm glad to see him doing so well, can't wait for the shows to start. I was not referring to you while talking about judging him, sorry if I wasn't clear. I mostly agree with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 There's a difference between having a number of "isolated incidents" and relapsing. It's explained quite well in this article. A beer 3 years ago likely was no tragedy but that exactly doesn't make it the best thing either. http://alcoholrehab.com/addiction-recovery/the-difference-between-a-slip-and-a-relapse/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stories and songs Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Regardless, he appears happy, healthy, and proud of taking care of himself these last four years. I'm proud of him, too. We have no idea how he is or isn't handling sobriety other than what he tells us and what we see from a very limited view, and nothing has been particularly concerning. I think the important thing is to trust that he's doing well, because he certainly seems to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 We could keep going in circles talking about this - someone will say he can drink if he moderates it, another person will explain why alcoholics shouldn't drink, then others will say but it was the combination of pills and booze. But we know none of it for sure and it's none of our business, so we're back to square one, being better off - now I'm repeating myself - just accepting that he's OK and not worrying unless we have an official reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unextraordinarygirl Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I see on Green Day's Instagram that the masks are back and for sale. I just can't imagine a lot of people buying them. It's such a weird item to have. I suppose with Halloween coming up maybe people might buy it for that, but it's still weird to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraGreenDay Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Oh come on, guys! What's important here is that he's still here and looking better than ever, and for what he has said in those few interviews, he seems pretty happy and pretty sure he doesn't want to go back to those dark times anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stories and songs Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 45 minutes ago, unextraordinarygirl said: I see on Green Day's Instagram that the masks are back and for sale. I just can't imagine a lot of people buying them. It's such a weird item to have. I suppose with Halloween coming up maybe people might buy it for that, but it's still weird to me. It's a weird item to have particularly because they're awfully expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unextraordinarygirl Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 34 minutes ago, Mara Garcia Green Day said: Oh come on, guys! What's important here is that he's still here and looking better than ever, and for what he has said in those few interviews, he seems pretty happy and pretty sure he doesn't want to go back to those dark times anymore. Amen to this! So let's just drop the whole subject! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 1 hour ago, dolce_amore93 said: It's a weird item to have particularly because they're awfully expensive! And awfully ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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