Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: Those are drugs as well. Hence the name "prescription drugs"! As I said not trying to nitpick but the connotations of "drugs" and "prescription drugs" are two different things and this always comes up! 2 hours ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said: Prescription drugs can be very dangerous drugs. Absolutely In my opinion it's far more likely Booze that loosens the tongue (and of course booze is also a drug as is caffeine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: Hence the name "prescription drugs"! As I said not trying to nitpick but the connotations of "drugs" and "prescription drugs" are two different things and this always comes up! That's true. However, I think one way to overcome the stigmatization of so-called illicit drugs is not making the distinction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: That's true. However, I think one way to overcome the stigmatization of so-called illicit drugs is not making the distinction. But prescription drugs prescribed by a doctor aren't illicit. Should you take more than you should as Billie described - absolutely not. I think we're talking about two different things here. I'm not talking about people who acquire those types of drugs illicitly and neither did Billie say he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: But prescription drugs prescribed by a doctor aren't illicit. Should you take more than you should as Billie described - absolutely not. I think we're talking about two different things here. I'm not talking about people who acquire those types of drugs illicitly and neither did Billie say he was I know they're not illicit. That said, I don't see why that should matter. The distinction of illicit and non-illicit drugs is only a legal construct based on an arbitrary decision that only perpetuates the stigma around addiction. I see no point in furthering this power structure by using the language it created, so in this context, I deliberately use the word drug as an umbrella term for any substance being abused. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 This isn't really what I'm talking about or getting at. Basically I think it's not right right to say "I think the drugs are a mitigating circumstance" (as you did) in response to past behaviour by Billie when we know nothing of the kind. Maybe I should just have said that in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave To The Network Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 You used to be able to order cocaine and heroin from a Sears catalogue or something, complete with the tools (like syringes) to use them. Laudanum was put on a pedestal as a fix-all drug for children. The chemicals have't changed, only the legality surrounding usage. Prescription drugs can still be just as dangerous if abused or combined with other substances. I'm still so fucking thankful we still have Billie around. It could easily have gone a different way. I guess that last part is my random GD thought. Maybe let's stop talking about drugs now? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 9 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: This isn't really what I'm talking about or getting at. Basically I think it's not right right to say "I think the drugs are a mitigating circumstance" (as you did) in response to past behaviour by Billie when we know nothing of the kind. Maybe I should just have said that in the first place. Fair enough, he was still responsible for his actions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 The Regrettes have a new single out called You’re So Fucking Pretty. How are they able to do that when Father Of All Motherfuckers had to be shortened to Father Of All… for both the song and the album title? I don’t understand these rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: The Regrettes have a new single out called You’re So Fucking Pretty. How are they able to do that when Father Of All Motherfuckers had to be shortened to Father Of All… for both the song and the album title? I don’t understand these rules. I suppose The Regrettes aren’t involved with the same media outlets. You can get away with it online but not on TV. (I guess? I’m at a loss to understand the US approach to profanity in public.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: The Regrettes have a new single out called You’re So Fucking Pretty. How are they able to do that when Father Of All Motherfuckers had to be shortened to Father Of All… for both the song and the album title? I don’t understand these rules. It didn’t have to be GD chose to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: It didn’t have to be GD chose to I find it hard to believe they would choose to do that when they don’t censor their lyrics. The way Billie tells the story, he designed the album cover with the title and the powers that be told him “You can’t call it that” so he said then just put a fucking unicorn over it. He didn’t want to censor his title, and he told DJs that Father of All Motherfuckers was the title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: I find it hard to believe they would choose to do that when they don’t censor their lyrics. The way Billie tells the story, he designed the album cover with the title and the powers that be told him “You can’t call it that” so he said then just put a fucking unicorn over it. He didn’t want to censor his title, and he told DJs that Father of All Motherfuckers was the title. they've censored their lyrics several times live for national tv… look at Awesome As Fuck does the cover say Awesome As Fuck or Awsome As F**k? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said: The Regrettes have a new single out called You’re So Fucking Pretty. How are they able to do that when Father Of All Motherfuckers had to be shortened to Father Of All… for both the song and the album title? I don’t understand these rules. Possibly due to the expectations they will not get the same level of media coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: they've censored their lyrics several times live for national tv… look at Awesome As Fuck does the cover say Awesome As Fuck or Awsome As F**k? My point is why do they have do that when other bands don’t. I don’t think it’s because they choose to, more like they’re told they have to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: My point is why do they have do that when other bands don’t. I don’t think it’s because they choose to, more like they’re told they have to. Warner has released several albums with the f word uncensored (sure they are also rap albums but thats besides the point) why would they allow other artists to do so but not GD? Make it make sense… GD is still a band that wants to market and they know having cuss words so freely hurts sales personally I wouldn’t put it past that they did the censored cover on the regular edition and used the uncensored cover for their store exclusive vinyl… but I’m a cynical person lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, WhiteTim said: Warner has released several albums with the f word uncensored (sure they are also rap albums but thats besides the point) why would they allow other artists to do so but not GD? Make it make sense… GD is still a band that wants to market and they know having cuss words so freely hurts sales personally I wouldn’t put it past that they did the censored cover on the regular edition and used the uncensored cover for their store exclusive vinyl… but I’m a cynical person lol Well that’s not the way he tells it anyway so we’ll just have to agree it doesn’t make sense and leave it at that. @jengd ‘s theory is more plausible that they have less freedom if they want to be promoted in major markets. But that sets low expectations for other bands that get away with it and could still have a surprise hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Stacy Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said: The Regrettes have a new single out called You’re So Fucking Pretty. How are they able to do that when Father Of All Motherfuckers had to be shortened to Father Of All… for both the song and the album title? I don’t understand these rules. For what it's worth YSFP is uncensored on Spotify but censored on Apple Music. My guess is that if it's being released on a major label, they're going to want it consistent across platforms so they censor it by default. Makes promotion easier, ect. I remember when Terry Gross interviewed Billie in 2011 they introduced AAF as "Awesome As... well, I can't say the rest on the radio" or something like that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said: Well that’s not the way he tells it anyway so we’ll just have to agree it doesn’t make sense and leave it at that. @jengd ‘s theory is more plausible that they have less freedom if they want to be promoted in major markets. But that sets low expectations for other bands that get away with it and could still have a surprise hit All majors (at least) do have issues with explicit titles being used for album names tho as it does severely limit where they can advertise the album (radio won’t air ads magazines won’t print ads social media won’t show ads with the words unedited) so they do advise not to use explicit words as titles but so far Warner and others seem to release them regardless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 12:07 PM, WhiteTim said: All majors (at least) do have issues with explicit titles being used for album names tho as it does severely limit where they can advertise the album (radio won’t air ads magazines won’t print ads social media won’t show ads with the words unedited) so they do advise not to use explicit words as titles but so far Warner and others seem to release them regardless Exactly. They had to censor the title for mainstream press advertising. There are uncensored versions of the album on the Green Day Store website right now. The uncensored title is the official title as far as I understand. A more underground band that doesn't advertise in mainstream press wouldn't run into the same issue of being forced to censor per FCC regulations, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Lot Lizard Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Prima Donna and Dead Sound at the Golden Bull tonight? Have fun to all those who are attending! It’s tonight I think? Does this count as a random Green Day thought? Kevin Preston and Bill Schneider and I’m not sure who else are both playing the show. Either way have fun and sorry if this is the wrong thread! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cali89 Posted December 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said: Prima Donna and Dead Sound at the Golden Bull tonight? Have fun to all those who are attending! It’s tonight I think? Does this count as a random Green Day thought? Kevin Preston and Bill Schneider and I’m not sure who else are both playing the show. Either way have fun and sorry if this is the wrong thread! Yes it's tonight. I'm excited for it! I'll say hi to Kevin for you all 😊 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, Cali_gd89 said: Yes it's tonight. I'm excited for it! I'll say hi to Kevin for you all 😊 Have a wonderful night 🎉 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Lot Lizard Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cali_gd89 said: Yes it's tonight. I'm excited for it! I'll say hi to Kevin for you all 😊 Have fun!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️ So excited for you! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali89 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said: Have fun!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️ So excited for you! Thanks! So nice of you! ❤️ 15 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said: Have a wonderful night 🎉 Thank you! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cali89 Posted December 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2021 Holy fucking shit you guys Billie is here at the show! Literally two feet from me. Just watching the show. Mingling. Wearing a mask but I can see the beard 6 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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