Popular Post Hermione Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 19 hours ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said: *inhales deeply* 1) A slur is a slur. It doesn't matter how you use it. 2) Although they didn't use it to demean black people, they still used it. It's a hateful word, and to throw it around lightly is not only insolent; its almost worse than using it for it's purpose. As someone who's been called the n-word and spit at because of the color of my skin, I don't take these things lightly. The usage of the doesn't even add to the meaning of the song, so it's just there to be there. I'm not disagreeing but the idea that saying a slur is inherently bad in itself whatever the context (even if it's a racist character saying it or a quote or it's being condemned as a terrible word etc) has really only caught on in a mainstream way in the last few years. 2009 was a while ago and things change. I would assume they don't consider it to be used lightly or for no reason, or they wouldn't have used it. Of course anyone can feel however they want about it but I do think there's a difference between judging media created now vs judging media created 11 years ago. 5 hours ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said: To the people who think only homosexual males can say the word. It's a word that's also used to denigrate bisexual males so if someone's offended by that for that reason their offense is based in ignorance. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerjeezus Posted December 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2020 Even though I don’t think using the slur in the given context was racist, I understand how it can hurt to hear it anyway. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: Even though I don’t think using the slur in the given context was racist, I understand how it can hurt to hear it anyway. Yeah. I understand how and why it was used. I don't like it because I don't like the term at all and I don't want anyone to use it. But I still love that song and just wince a little before I continue rocking out. I also just stop singing at that point because no 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, The Grohl said: Yeah. I understand how and why it was used. I don't like it because I don't like the term at all and I don't want anyone to use it. But I still love that song and just wince a little before I continue rocking out. I also just stop singing at that point because no I agree, I understand their usage but from here and now it’s really strange hearing it, just wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pacejunkie punk Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, That Dude said: Only hate would understand. Just in case your caption was implying it that is not Amanda, FYI (It's Janelle Hessig) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: Just in case your caption was implying it that is not Amanda, FYI (It's Janelle Hessig) I was trying to find an actual picture of Amanda and then one came up, but I was pretty sure it wasn't. It's a good picture anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave To The Network Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Found this while I was looking at Green Day videos on YouTube! 😂 @The Grohl @Beerjeezus @Yosuke Hanamura @jengd @Nightlife 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post solongfromthestars Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2020 If Green Day used a slur that doesn't apply to them in a song today I'd probably judge them. Like Hermione said though, it really wasn't common knowledge that slurs can't ever be used, even in quotes, in 2009. I'm a very liberal Arab who was called "sand n****r" every day at school and I wasn't even aware until at least 2014. I think I actually learned that in GDC's General Chat. It definitely wasn't from anyone in real life and I was around as many POC as white people growing up. So I doubt some middle-aged white men who didn't grow up with the internet (and possibly don't realise what's acceptable is regularly changing even now) were aware back then. That said, of course people have the right to be hurt by it. It may not be intentionally racist, but it's still unfortunate it's there, because it's uncomfortable and potentially triggering. From an objective point of view, though, I don't think there's anything more to it than being genuinely unaware it was wrong and thinking they were making a helpful political statement by "quoting" a racist. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jengd Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2020 I think as well, that attitudes have changed dramatically since this song was written. It was not in anyway condoning the use of the word, but in the last few years it has become difficult to even have that conversation. E.g, look at the example of the Green Book and the controversy it sparked due to its subject matter, it wasn’t saying what was portrayed was right, but it got criticised it seems, for even trying to tell the story. I get there are other huge issues around Hollywood and racism. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Honestly, I think this view is at least somewhat influenced by the fact that I never got called racist slurs in my face, but looking at people’s intentions, I find use of slurs in a context that’s not meant to be harmful a lot more acceptable than “polite” people who are in fact trying to be sleek about being good old racists. Who’s more racist, Billie for using the n-word in a song or a very nice lady I had an interview with last year, who after we were done continued to have a small talk with me, during which she suggested I look like I’m from Romania and continued to investigate how come I look so “exotic”? Using common sense is needed. 2 hours ago, Slave To The Network said: Found this while I was looking at Green Day videos on YouTube! 😂 @The Grohl @Beerjeezus @Yosuke Hanamura @jengd @Nightlife I was like “oh no why are they doing this to themselves” and then I remembered “drink whenever he says fuck during iheart” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Slave To The Network said: Found this while I was looking at Green Day videos on YouTube! 😂 @The Grohl @Beerjeezus @Yosuke Hanamura @jengd @Nightlife Oh god.....it's iHeart all over again! We'd be so wasted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Grohl said: Oh god.....it's iHeart all over again! We'd be so wasted. I have a bad feeling about what’s going to happen tonight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave To The Network Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Yeah, I agree that is a word that should be avoided at all costs if possible because of its hurtful and derogatory history. However, I don't think Green Day were using it just to be using it as is the case with other situations. I don't think they would have taken it lightly to use that word either, but used it to make a point by quoting a racist to call attention to a political a social issue and calling that racist person out. If it's used to make a point like that or in the context of telling a story about history like in the Green Book like @jengd mentioned, then I think it is more acceptable. It's still a terrible word and if a different, less awful one can be used in its place then it should be, but sometimes it doesn't have the same effect when telling stories. How are people supposed to learn about the deep history of why that word is so hurtful and wrong if they don't know the word in the first place or where it came from? Just being told "oh that word should never be used under any circumstances because its racist and bad" doesn't really help anyone to understand why. I sure as hell wouldn't use it, but that's because I've heard it and know the history of why I shouldn't use it. I have no idea if that made any sense at all, but I tried. 🤷♀️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Look what I just received I only need MM2020 Part I and II and the collection will be over! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedtoMikeDirnt Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Nimrod is a more mature 39/Smooth. RevRad is American Idiot and 21CB combined. And 21CB is American Idiot take two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Today, I have been listened to Tre {the album}. It's held up better than Uno and Dos in my opinion and there are only a few weaker tracks. Little Boy Named Train and Amanda really bring the album down. They could have taken a hike down the railroad tracks and gotten hit by a car that's breaking down and we wouldn't have missed them. We would not pound the pavement or look under the bed. It's got experimentaion and classic Green Day tunes and I kept wondering what could have been if the tracklist were tweaked? One big, weird experimental record. Sure, they kind of made all they with moments of familarity mixed with the weirdness. Maybe on Green XIV, they will break their chains and just go all out. I dunno. All I know is Tre is awesome! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie, get your gun Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 ^^^ He is and it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 On 12/17/2020 at 10:20 AM, Little Boy Named Booze said: Is the word ''fag'' in Holiday is insulting too? Most of Green Day's songs can be offensive on some level, I guess. Billie sings about explosives attached to his body. Peace on Earth being useless. Watching a person drown. Arson. Illegally being a business's roof. The list goes on and on. Some are offended by their politics. Some by their language, middle fingers and nudity. Some think rock n roll is offensive in itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Watching a Morrissey interview with Larry King. Very interesting and he keeps looking right into the camera. Check it out. EDIT: I was agreeing with him up until he said "Obama is white inside". What. The. !@#$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DookieLukie Posted December 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2020 What is this from? Never seen it before but someone uploaded this and another AI studio video recently. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, DookieLukie said: What is this from? Never seen it before but someone uploaded this and another AI studio video recently. I've never seen Billie so natural and ordinary, that's a really great find! There's something so soothing and entertaining about watching music being made, I could just watch that kind of stuff all day long. One of the best parts is when Billie says he's gotta go. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 hours ago, DookieLukie said: What is this from? Never seen it before but someone uploaded this and another AI studio video recently. These are raw footage outtakes from HLAHG. Pretty cool. Here’s the other one, this one has bits that made it in the film 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Wow, when I first @DookieLukie’s post a I thought it was a reload of a bit from HLAHG but it’s new bits, certainly to me. Will need to look out for others, thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Never saw those videos!! It's not even from Heart like an hand grenade. At 9:48 Rob Cavallo: Let's do it! Billie: Nah I gotta go Rob: Oh you gotta go? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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