Random Green Day Thoughts

[The Grohl]

14 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

They didn't. It's homemade. It's like a real case with the tracklist in the back and the CD inside.

Ah okay. At least I don't have to track down another copy now! Still cool!

[Little Boy Named Booze]

By the way in Alligator at 2:25 is it the famous zombie growl from Roshambo and Cancer is the new black?

[SmoothedOut]

8 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Another one in my collection baby

It looks beautiful 😍👌

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

There's only 10 days 'til Christmas, so I think it's high time this is remembered.

 

 

[That Dude]

12 hours ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

There's only 10 days 'til Christmas, so I think it's high time this is remembered.

 

 

I saw that on tv when it aired, very cool.

Still hoping for that Dirty Polka Christmas album.  

If there ever was a time to release it. 

If there ever was a time it's this year.

If something something something.   

I envision it with little bits of Cigarettes and Valentines, Money Money 2020 Part One and American Idiot.  And of course,  a butt load of Tre Cool accordion solos and even some of that Freese sax.

Oh it would be glorious.  

 

[That Dude]

I forgot that Pukey was on the Xmas Time of Year single art.

I'm a garbage fan.

[Slave To The Network]

I wonder how many people, if any, have tweeted a link to the IIAN video at Ivanka.

[That Dude]

Listening to Dookie this morning for the first time in years. 

It holds up.

I will keep saying my love is true.

[The Grohl]

*me when Oh Yeah! pops up during shuffle*

[That Dude]

On 12/14/2020 at 3:24 PM, Little Boy Named Booze said:

By the way in Alligator at 2:25 is it the famous zombie growl from Roshambo and Cancer is the new black?

Every song contains a famous zombie growl.  It's  just a matter of how low or high it is in the mix.

[Annie, get your gun]

I can't remember a GD song that has it  they're all in side projects songs.

But in Horseshoes & Handgrenades there's something a little similar, I don't know how to put it in words, like a scream with a growl all in one LOL

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

I've been stewing on the usage of the n-word in American Eulogy (technically the section labeled "Mass Hysteria") for about three years now. 

I still can't rationalize a good reason for that to be in there. I've heard all the excuses others use (it's a quote, it just there for a shock factor, etc.), but regardless, it's still completely unnecessary. It makes them look like hypocrites.

Worst part is, whoever's bad idea that was, two other people were fine with it. It blows my mind that three different white people, who are supposed to be allies to POC, thought that's okay.

And it's not even a situation like Holiday in Cambodia where it used to prove a point. (Don't get me started on the usage of the slur there; the way I feel about that is complicated). It's wedged in there for no reason.

I hate to think this way, but maybe Billie wanted an excuse to get it out of his system. Maybe that's just the jaded cynic in me, but I can't think of a single reason other than that.

I can't say that this makes me angry; I'm just fucking disappointed. It sucks ass, too, 'cause it's a damn good song. What a shame that one bad decision fucked up the whole song.

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

1 hour ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

I've been stewing on the usage of the n-word in American Eulogy (technically the section labeled "Mass Hysteria") for about three years now. 

I still can't rationalize a good reason for that to be in there. I've heard all the excuses others use (it's a quote, it just there for a shock factor, etc.), but regardless, it's still completely unnecessary. It makes them look like hypocrites.

Worst part is, whoever's bad idea that was, two other people were fine with it. It blows my mind that three different white people, who are supposed to be allies to POC, thought that's okay.

And it's not even a situation like Holiday in Cambodia where it used to prove a point. (Don't get me started on the usage of the slur there; the way I feel about that is complicated). It's wedged in there for no reason.

I hate to think this way, but maybe Billie wanted an excuse to get it out of his system. Maybe that's just the jaded cynic in me, but I can't think of a single reason other than that.

I can't say that this makes me angry; I'm just fucking disappointed. It sucks ass, too, 'cause it's a damn good song. What a shame that one bad decision fucked up the whole song.

 

Honestly I don't get why people get mad because of this quote.
They're not saying anything bad about black people. But yeah overall it's good that this song isn't a hit because some snowflakes would have want this song banned.

[WhiteTim]

never mind delete

Edited December 17, 2020 by WhiteTim

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

19 hours ago, Slave To The Network said:

I wonder how many people, if any, have tweeted a link to the IIAN video at Ivanka.

I hope lots of people have!

[Little Boy Named Booze]

1 minute ago, WhiteTim said:

Maybe if your family member was killed like this while hearing chants from a group of another race using the word you'd maybe understand the hate for a word... (I understand you're not American so I can get why you may not get the full understanding of why that word is horrible) 

 

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No I wasn't minimizing this word. When I said ''I don't get why people get mad because of this quote'' I was talking about the quote they use in the song. Not the word.
I'd never said this word in my life and I'll never say it. Don't get me wrong I'm on your side on this one. It's just that I don't think we need to make a scene about this quote in American Eulogy.

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

I've been stewing on the usage of the n-word in American Eulogy (technically the section labeled "Mass Hysteria") for about three years now. 

I still can't rationalize a good reason for that to be in there. I've heard all the excuses others use (it's a quote, it just there for a shock factor, etc.), but regardless, it's still completely unnecessary. It makes them look like hypocrites.

Worst part is, whoever's bad idea that was, two other people were fine with it. It blows my mind that three different white people, who are supposed to be allies to POC, thought that's okay.

And it's not even a situation like Holiday in Cambodia where it used to prove a point. (Don't get me started on the usage of the slur there; the way I feel about that is complicated). It's wedged in there for no reason.

I hate to think this way, but maybe Billie wanted an excuse to get it out of his system. Maybe that's just the jaded cynic in me, but I can't think of a single reason other than that.

I can't say that this makes me angry; I'm just fucking disappointed. It sucks ass, too, 'cause it's a damn good song. What a shame that one bad decision fucked up the whole song.

 

It’s a despicable character in the song that says the word, so just like in films or books, I think that’s what makes it different at least for me. Sure it’s offensive, but it’s supposed to be and says something about the character in the song that uses it. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

I've been stewing on the usage of the n-word in American Eulogy (technically the section labeled "Mass Hysteria") for about three years now. 

I still can't rationalize a good reason for that to be in there. I've heard all the excuses others use (it's a quote, it just there for a shock factor, etc.), but regardless, it's still completely unnecessary. It makes them look like hypocrites.

Worst part is, whoever's bad idea that was, two other people were fine with it. It blows my mind that three different white people, who are supposed to be allies to POC, thought that's okay.

And it's not even a situation like Holiday in Cambodia where it used to prove a point. (Don't get me started on the usage of the slur there; the way I feel about that is complicated). It's wedged in there for no reason.

I hate to think this way, but maybe Billie wanted an excuse to get it out of his system. Maybe that's just the jaded cynic in me, but I can't think of a single reason other than that.

I can't say that this makes me angry; I'm just fucking disappointed. It sucks ass, too, 'cause it's a damn good song. What a shame that one bad decision fucked up the whole song.

 

We can all sit here and make valid arguments on both sides of this, but all I really want to say is that, as a white person, I have no right to tell a POC how to feel about something like this--or about anything. Your feelings are valid, and I am not going to dispute them. 

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

34 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Honestly I don't get why people get mad because of this quote.
They're not saying anything bad about black people. But yeah overall it's good that this song isn't a hit because some snowflakes would have want this song banned.

*inhales deeply*

 

1) A slur is a slur. It doesn't matter how you use it. 

2) Although they didn't use it to demean black people, they still used it. It's a hateful word, and to throw it around lightly is not only insolent; its almost worse than using it for it's purpose. As someone who's been called the n-word and spit at because of the color of my skin, I don't take these things lightly. The usage of the doesn't even add to the meaning of the song, so it's just there to be there. 

3) Where would someone ban the song from? It already can't be played on the radio. And what purpose would that serve? The American constitution allows freedom of speech, and media control is limited here. I don't think anyone wants it banned (unless they're interested in wasting their own time).

 

13 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

It’s a despicable character in the song that says the word, so just like in films or books, I think that’s what makes it different at least for me. Sure it’s offensive, but it’s supposed to be and says something about the character in the song that uses it. 

But do you see how that's still unnecessary?

If he were to have used the f-slur, I wouldn't be able to say anything about that. Some could argue the whole "but bisexuals can't say the f-slur" argument, but that's a whole different enchilada. (Or you know what, no slur would be even better. Just about any curse word would've had the same effect).

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Slave To The Network said:

I wonder how many people, if any, have tweeted a link to the IIAN video at Ivanka.

I was kinda hoping this would happen just so Donald would flip out and start a Twitter argument with a rock band to further show the world how completely deranged he is. 

[That Dude]

3 hours ago, MarriedtoMikeDirnt said:

I've been stewing on the usage of the n-word in American Eulogy (technically the section labeled "Mass Hysteria") for about three years now. 

I still can't rationalize a good reason for that to be in there. I've heard all the excuses others use (it's a quote, it just there for a shock factor, etc.), but regardless, it's still completely unnecessary. It makes them look like hypocrites.

Worst part is, whoever's bad idea that was, two other people were fine with it. It blows my mind that three different white people, who are supposed to be allies to POC, thought that's okay.

And it's not even a situation like Holiday in Cambodia where it used to prove a point. (Don't get me started on the usage of the slur there; the way I feel about that is complicated). It's wedged in there for no reason.

I hate to think this way, but maybe Billie wanted an excuse to get it out of his system. Maybe that's just the jaded cynic in me, but I can't think of a single reason other than that.

I can't say that this makes me angry; I'm just fucking disappointed. It sucks ass, too, 'cause it's a damn good song. What a shame that one bad decision fucked up the whole song.

 

Firstly, this feels bad even talking about.  Uncomfortable and dangerous.  

I think part of it was wanting to match the feel of American Idiot by doing something as controversial as the lines in the title track and Holiday.   

John Lennon and Marilyn Manson have used the word in song before, and with Billie and these guys, it was political each time and definitely not meant to be offensive to black people, but to people that use the word if that makes sense.  

I was married to a black woman in 2010  - and while that gives me no authority to speak for anyone but myself - I know that she knew the lyric and enjoyed the song. I don't recall if we had a conversation about the line or not.  

I'm kind of curious as to how many Green Day fans sing along to the line and how many would admit to it.   

Anyway, here's an article that talks about this:  

 https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2016/01/white-artists-n-word/

 

Also, American Eulogy is one of my all time favorite songs.   It's in my Top 20, not sure exactly where.   The best Mike Dirnt vocal on a studio album by a longshot.   

"I can hear the sound of a beating heart / that bleeds beyond a system that is falling apart 

With money to burn on a minimum wage / well, I don't give a sh*t about the modern age"   

that line hits hard.  

Now, it's interesting because Billie wrote the parts that Mike sang as well.      

 

[That Dude]

Was watching non-Green Day content when all of a sudden this Billie Joe guy comes out and starts singing.   @15:37

Interesting blend of Turn the Page and Broken Dreams.   

EVERYBODY PANIC! 

[RedundantIdiot]

Was nice to walk into the living room at lunch today to hear dad playing some GD on his IPod.

Him: You're just in time, listed to what I'm playing

(BOBD & Good Riddance play)

Him: the battery might go flat soon

(Jesus of Suburbia immediately starts playing)

Me: (laughing) Your battery might go flat before you get to the end of this song

[Little Boy Named Booze]

Is the word ''fag'' in Holiday is insulting too?

[MarriedtoMikeDirnt]

9 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Is the word ''fag'' in Holiday is insulting too?

To the people who think only homosexual males can say the word.