That Dude Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Green Day should pull a trick on the world. Announce their lead singer is being replaced with some new blood. And then it's Fink! They trade lead singers and make albums switched for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Do you guys remember David's Overalls? I was going through my cdrs and saw that. What a trip! 20 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said: I don't usually like Still Breathing sung live like ever it always sounds off to me but this performance might be the best one I've seen That is a KILLER performance and definitely the best I've seen as well. I won my battle with cancer shortly before that song came out and man, it touched me. I sometimes change the lyrics around a bit on the one part: "I'm like a child that lost his only mother / I'm like a father barely keeping it together." Oh man. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Listening to a TON of Billie Joe today. Well, Billie Joe and Fink. No Fun Mondays We Told Ya So! Father of All... and now Revolution Radio. All the 2020 records have been perfection, but you know what we've been missing the last 4 years? Ya know, other than love and compassion for our fellow man? Green Day power ballads. I'm blasting Outlaws right now and we need more of that in the 20s. No need to bring back the 10 minutes songs, but give us some Feel Good Songs of the Year. Sure everybody's doing it, but you do it best, Billie Joe. Show 'em how it's done, b!$($! The guitars on Revolution Radio sound heavier than I remember them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedOut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I wonder if anyone had a similar thought/experience? This event was pretty significant for me. It happened in my last year of high school (in 2013 --- class of '13 lol). Billie Joe did this and pretty much everyone in my entire high school knew about it or saw it in the papers. It was a cataclysmic event. I see it as a turning point for rock music in the 2010s. It marked the end of the dark, edgy arena rock era for pop punk bands in general. I got into more indie/punk bands after this - the first being Best Coast who I discovered through Green Day. We saw more DIY bands come out who were influenced by 90s era Green Day and style. It was an awesome decade. I find it kind of sad & ironic how Green Day didn't get to fully join in on that ride. The Trilogy was meant to bring them "back-to-basics", but they ultimately fell short of their goals. Billie Joe went to rehab, they went on some great tours & were still very big, but I think everyone agrees things didn't go totally as planned. Their absence in those early years, however, effectively helped usher in a new generation of punk bands in the 2010s to fill in a void. And it was awesome. In a way, Green Day did bring back the 90s, except they weren't exactly the main attraction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerjeezus Posted December 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2020 To be fair, Green Day probably wouldn’t have been the main attraction regardless - they’ve just put out an album that was pretty average and at that stage of their career, they could hardly be exciting the same way up and coming bands were. However, they actively removed themselves from the mainstream. This incident ended their streak as a top 40 band, but who knows how much longer it would have went on anyway. Rock music just isn’t as big commercially anymore, so new bands had to adapt. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Grohl Posted December 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2020 Just like with anything, mainstream moves in trends. Rock was a huge focus for a while, then LatinX, then alternative Pop, and then hip hop. It's just a big cycle. Rock is still alive and well, but if all you see is the Top 40 and mainstream music, of course it's going to appear dead. Sure, bands could go the Imagine Dragon route and make very radio friendly songs that get played to death in commercials for mainstream appeal. But most rock bands are choose to go their own path instead. And sometimes, a band will get mainstream attention seemingly randomly. It's just weird to see what gets popular and what doesn't. I really don't the iHeart incident marked an end of a rock era. The biggest impact it had was on Green Day themselves and the fans. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedOut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Beerjeezus said: However, they actively removed themselves from the mainstream. This incident ended their streak as a top 40 band, but who knows how much longer it would have went on anyway. Agreed. And what did Green Day have left to prove anyway? They'd achieved everything at that point. If people wanted the 90s, they already did that! I guess I kinda wanted it 😛 2 hours ago, The Grohl said: The biggest impact it had was on Green Day themselves and the fans. Oh definitely. Maybe it wasn't a cultural catalyst at all. Just a good chronological marker. (For me at least). I think about Best Coast releasing "Crazy for You" a couple of years before & FIDLAR releasing their eponymous album in 2013. Just those sorts of bands "taking off". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Just now, SmoothedOut said: Agreed. And what did Green Day have left to prove anyway? They'd achieved everything at that point. If people wanted the 90s, they already did that! I guess I kinda wanted it 😛 Oh definitely. Maybe it wasn't a cultural catalyst at all. Just a good chronological marker. (For me at least). I think about Best Coast releasing "Crazy for You" a couple of years before & FIDLAR releasing their eponymous album in 2013. Just those sorts of bands "taking off". Yeah, it seemed like natural progess for them to step back a bit - after they've peaked in the mainstream, it was time to focus more on the rock fans. That's what they later did with revrad. The thing is, I would have liked it better if this happened as a part of their strategy and not because their music was dropped from iheart playlists. At the time, you could see how that happened overnight. Before that, you couldn't avoid a new Green Day single. I see what you mean. It did mark the moment when the last rock band left the popculture mainstream. With the exception of RHCP, maybe. But the new bands were coming up anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedOut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said: The thing is, I would have liked it better if this happened as a part of their strategy and not because their music was dropped from iheart playlists. Oh tell me about it! You're super right about RevRad sort of catering to rock fans more. Sometimes I wonder if the Insomniac / Nimrod / Warning days were kind of like that? Not that I think they were doing it consciously.. just looking at the sorts of crowds they were likely drawing in years after their mainstream breakthrough. Perhaps getting boxed into that "rock" label with all the other punk bands by the late '90s before making a comeback in the 2000s? Sure, they are a rock act at heart. But few rock bands can say they made records like Dookie & American Idiot which were immense & just so culturally significant in their own separate ways - they transcended genre & impacted culture on truly a planetary level. It's just interesting to look at. 😛 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedOut Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, The Grohl said: I really don't the iHeart incident marked an end of a rock era. The biggest impact it had was on Green Day themselves and the fans. Oh & I don't really mean it marked the end of rock as an era. Just a certain style. 😝 And moving beyond that, if we were to look even later on in the decade we find that the format for music appreciation has changed completely. I definitely agree there's really no one way to go about things in this industry. Things can go "out" of style but what does that even mean anymore? The best thing about the 2010s for me is that there aren't really any rules. There's something for everybody. People have access to a ton of art & music. I like how Decentralized things are. People have more choices, are more aware of the choices they make, & have made it their practice to sift in and out of mainstream trends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I agree with a lot of that but I quite like radio, and I find most radio stations, at least in the UK, now play very limited styles of music. The chances of hearing something new that makes you discover a new band is really small. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, SmoothedOut said: Oh & I don't really mean it marked the end of rock as an era. Just a certain style. 😝 And moving beyond that, if we were to look even later on in the decade we find that the format for music appreciation has changed completely. I definitely agree there's really no one way to go about things in this industry. Things can go "out" of style but what does that even mean anymore? The best thing about the 2010s for me is that there aren't really any rules. There's something for everybody. People have access to a ton of art & music. I like how Decentralized things are. People have more choices, are more aware of the choices they make, & have made it their practice to sift in and out of mainstream trends. You're right about the rules. I feel more artists are finding ways to blur genres and it's really interesting. And though I like that there's so much access to music, it also has drawbacks like having too much. There's so much out there it can be hard to find new bands to really sink your teeth into. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, jengd said: I agree with a lot of that but I quite like radio, and I find most radio stations, at least in the UK, now play very limited styles of music. The chances of hearing something new that makes you discover a new band is really small. Spotify does that for me now instead. I think they do a good job of tracking what you already like and pointing you towards similar things. And the range of artists is so much broader than a limited station playlist. That’s something radio can’t compete with. It’s so customized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scumfuc Waste Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 6:14 PM, Squashie said: Who covered it as well... (I'll refrain from listing the original artists name because he doesn't deserve it). Oh? I had no idea she didn't write it. Was the original artist a bad person or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scumfuc Waste said: Oh? I had no idea she didn't write it. Was the original artist a bad person or something? Yes, he’s incarcerated for child abuse. (We’re talking about Oh Yeah, I assume) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scumfuc Waste Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Just now, Beerjeezus said: Yes, he’s incarcerated for child abuse. (We’re talking about Oh Yeah, I assume) oh, hey beerjeezus, looks like you got unbanned, I heard on a discord server that you were banned but nobody told me what for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scumfuc Waste said: oh, hey beerjeezus, looks like you got unbanned, I heard on a discord server that you were banned but nobody told me what for It was just a suspension 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scumfuc Waste Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Beerjeezus said: It was just a suspension oh, what did you do? (if you're allowed to, and/or want to say it) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Scumfuc Waste said: oh, what did you do? (if you're allowed to, and/or want to say it) I happen to have an old disagreement with someone so I think some revenge was taken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave To The Network Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I saw this today and of course thought about The Network. Fink better be careful with that fentanyl. Looks like pretty potent stuff! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothedOut Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 13 hours ago, The Grohl said: And though I like that there's so much access to music, it also has drawbacks like having too much. There's so much out there it can be hard to find new bands to really sink your teeth into. Yes I agree completely. I think people still require some kind of structure / "education" if they want to have any sort of prolonged career in music. Things can never be completely abstract. By education, I mean I think bands still look up to bands that came before them - no matter how different they claim to be. The ingredients for success are still more or less the same. I think it makes a difference to care about your fan base & all that stuff. You want to follow artists who are genuine & authentic. It sounds traditional but it's always worked. I think we're only beginning to learn how to filter the good ones from the bad ones. I think it's great that anybody can create anything & put it out there for the world to see/hear. But to maintain a career is a whole other ball game that not everybody might be equipped for! + A rather nihilistic approach to music isn't a new idea either! If anybody's seen that John Lydon interview with Tom from 1980, you see how he deconstructs the music industry & the artist-audience relationship. Saying that he didn't care about what the fans thought. But if he really believed that, he would have carried on as an "anarchist" with the Sex Pistols. In the end, he chose to have a long-lasting career with Public Image Ltd. They've got an Instagram account & merch! Doesn't sound like Anarchy to me. Johnny Rotten, you hypocrite! 😛 In short, I think if there's any one constant criterion we can use in judging bands/artists/influencers, even in this over-saturated landscape - it's values. Follow any body you want, but know who you're following. There are a lot of artists out there that try to gain attention solely through shock factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SmoothedOut Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 Sorry if I come off as ranting. I'm just sick of artists who think they're God's gift to this earth. The types that have gotten so prevalent over the last decade because it's easy to create this illusion of greatness over the internet & with the tech available to us. It's a shame how many people have chosen to use their platforms to abuse. 👎 I’ve seen it in my local scene. Seen amateurs & pros do it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Little Boy Named Booze Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 Another one in my collection baby 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said: Another one in my collection baby Damn I didn't know they released a jewel case one! Mine is just a cardboard sleeve 😒 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Boy Named Booze Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, The Grohl said: Damn I didn't know they released a jewel case one! Mine is just a cardboard sleeve 😒 They didn't. It's homemade. It's like a real case with the tracklist in the back and the CD inside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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