Random Green Day Thoughts

[Second favourite son]

2 hours ago, crock6000 said:

Well you're from the Czek Republic I learned from Jane, so why would you know it? Also the dying in 3 line seems to be a uniquely American thing. 

Yeah, sometimes you eat crow with glee too if you predicted something that would benefit you and you end up being wrong. Like you say to all your friends that "there is no way we can beat Hull United" and they do you would say "I will happily eat my crow". Wonder why?

I think they are both uniquely American.  I've certainly never heard them in British English before.  Eating crow makes sense as an idiom, sort of like 'eat my hat', because I imagine crow (the bird) doesn't taste great.  It's just not something I've ever heard of before   And until I found out it was an American thing, I thought the dying in threes line was one of the weirdest on the new album.  I like the line though, especually now it seems less weird (but I still don't get why dying in threes is a thing?).

[Marki.]

4 hours ago, crock6000 said:

Well you're from the Czek Republic I learned from Jane, so why would you know it? Also the dying in 3 line seems to be a uniquely American thing. 

Yeah, sometimes you eat crow with glee too if you predicted something that would benefit you and you end up being wrong. Like you say to all your friends that "there is no way we can beat Hull United" and they do you would say "I will happily eat my crow". Wonder why?

1 hour ago, Second favourite son said:

I think they are both uniquely American.  I've certainly never heard them in British English before.  Eating crow makes sense as an idiom, sort of like 'eat my hat', because I imagine crow (the bird) doesn't taste great.  It's just not something I've ever heard of before   And until I found out it was an American thing, I thought the dying in threes line was one of the weirdest on the new album.  I like the line though, especually now it seems less weird (but I still don't get why dying in threes is a thing?).

Thank you both, good to know this has more meanings. I currently study English at uni and although I'm sometimes overwhelmed with having to think about language related stuff nonstop, I like learning new idioms and also the differences between British and American expressions. I enjoyed learning English from the beginning, but I have to say that discovering Green Day helped a lot to develop my interest in the language and majorly contributed to the fact that I never had to study for any English tests at school

[Billie Hoe]

Oh wait, dying in threes means something too? I thought he meant that when they died, they'd die together. You know, as friends because Billie, Mike and Tré are three people I'll look it up, thanks!

 

[Beerjeezus]

4 minutes ago, Marki. said:

Thank you both, good to know this has more meanings. I currently study English at uni and although I'm sometimes overwhelmed with having to think about language related stuff nonstop, I like learning new idioms and also the differences between British and American expressions. I enjoyed learning English from the beginning, but I have to say that discovering Green Day helped a lot to develop my interest in the language and majorly contributed to the fact that I never had to study for any English tests at school

yeah, not having to study for English tests is a side-effect  I just thought about it a while ago, their lyrics cover so many topics - I got a huge vocabulary just from them. I remember how surprised my teacher was that I knew all those religion-related words at the young age of 12. 

20 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said:

Oh wait, dying in threes means something too? I thought he meant that when they died, they'd die together. You know, as friends because Billie, Mike and Tré are three people I'll look it up, thanks!

 

It's a 'Murcan saying that celebrities always die in threes.

[Billie Hoe]

53 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

It's a 'Murcan saying that celebrities always die in threes.

Ah I guess I wasn't so far off then

But this "dying in threes" literally happened to me - or not me but my grandma. She and her two sisters all died within a year.

[End Of The World]

God, I just knocked over my chair while dancing on Let Yourself Go. I need a psychologist.

[Marki.]

1 hour ago, Jane Lannister said:

yeah, not having to study for English tests is a side-effect  I just thought about it a while ago, their lyrics cover so many topics - I got a huge vocabulary just from them. I remember how surprised my teacher was that I knew all those religion-related words at the young age of 12. 

It's a 'Murcan saying that celebrities always die in threes.

Yees, I though about that as well, you really learn a lot of vocabulary just from the lyrics. My classmates were always in disbelief how I knew all these words because they knew I really didn't study  When I was 15, after I saw Green Day live, I had a bit of an obsession phase and decided to watch every single interview I could find online, which helped me a lot - at first I could hardly understand what they were saying but it got better really quickly. And I'm pretty sure being on GDC helped as well, you learn a lot here (and not just language related things ). 

 

[Wretched & Divine]

1 hour ago, Jane Lannister said:

It's a 'Murcan saying that celebrities always die in threes.

Not quite. It's a superstition across a lot of nations that bad things, not only deaths, tend to happen in threes. I personally believe it since it has happened an eerie amount of times in my life.

[Beerjeezus]

7 minutes ago, Marki. said:

Yees, I though about that as well, you really learn a lot of vocabulary just from the lyrics. My classmates were always in disbelief how I knew all these words because they knew I really didn't study  When I was 15, after I saw Green Day live, I had a bit of an obsession phase and decided to watch every single interview I could find online, which helped me a lot - at first I could hardly understand what they were saying but it got better really quickly. And I'm pretty sure being on GDC helped as well, you learn a lot here (and not just language related things ). 

 

Yeah, GDC gave me more than school did lol

And same - I read a lot of articles and watched interviews, both helped a ton.  Btw, is it only me or is Billie really very easy to understand? I don't know what it is, maybe it's just that he speaks relatively slowly and uses (used) so many filler words but I've always found him very easy to understand when he's talking, of course. Singing is a different beast. 

[End Of The World]

1 hour ago, Jane Lannister said:

yeah, not having to study for English tests is a side-effect  I just thought about it a while ago, their lyrics cover so many topics - I got a huge vocabulary just from them. I remember how surprised my teacher was that I knew all those religion-related words at the young age of 12. 

Haha, in an English test where I had to talk about my personality I quoted the chorus of Walking Contradiction. Not sure if it has been a good idea though.

Just now, Jane Lannister said:

Yeah, GDC gave me more than school did lol

School is not interesting ---> you don't learn anything

GDC is interesting ---> you learn a lot of things (and have fun)

Do you see? I just learned some logics stuff.

[Beerjeezus]

7 minutes ago, Wretched & Divine said:

Not quite. It's a superstition across a lot of nations that bad things, not only deaths, tend to happen in threes. I personally believe it since it has happened an eerie amount of times in my life.

Thanks, I didn't know there was a superstition about it. 

[Wretched & Divine]

8 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

Thanks, I didn't know there was a superstition about it. 

Oh wow, I thought it was fairly common across Western nations in general 

[Beerjeezus]

Just now, Wretched & Divine said:

Oh wow, I thought it was fairly common across Western nations in general 

i don't know, maybe I'm just oblivious to it  @Marki. what do you think?

[Marki.]

17 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said:

Yeah, GDC gave me more than school did lol

And same - I read a lot of articles and watched interviews, both helped a ton.  Btw, is it only me or is Billie really very easy to understand? I don't know what it is, maybe it's just that he speaks relatively slowly and uses (used) so many filler words but I've always found him very easy to understand when he's talking, of course. Singing is a different beast. 

Yeah  
Hmm, I remember all of them being hard to understand for me back then, and now it's easy, so it's hard to say... But I think you're right that Billie was the easiest one to understand because of his y'knows and stuff  

1 minute ago, Jane Lannister said:

i don't know, maybe I'm just oblivious to it  @Marki. what do you think?

I'm with you, I guess we don't have it here... Or it's not widespread, I don't think I've heard about this superstition before.

[St. Jonny]

There's also the instance where they just gave him the shirt and said, here kid, wear this because your character is supposed to be into punk music, and he's like okay cool! I hope it was his own idea but know way to really know. Yeah, GD was fuckin huge in the 90's before all the AI stuff came about, and very rough around the edges people would listen to it, it was heavy. AI made a lot of people shut their eyes to the band with the drastic change but in the midst brought a completely new wave of kids to the dance and a lot of old school metallers and punks retreated back to their heavy roots. They will continue to say that is when Green Day was awesome but truthfully, they have just given us so much since. No doubt though, Dookie was just as big as AI on radio and stuff, Nimrod got a ton of airplay too. Wonder, based on his age if that kid was into the old music, most likely was, or if JB just handed him the shirt or something, also a possibility.

[DeJennsitized]

On 17/11/2016 at 8:39 PM, ThranaM said:

Revolution Radio: "Sing, with your hands up in the sky" or is it "Scream, with your hands up in the sky"?
To me it's sounds more like "Sing" but the lyrics says otherwise  

 

18 hours ago, Billie Hoe said:

After 8 years of listening to Hitchin' a Ride I finally realized what "eating crow" means. I just watched a clip from the Late Show with Stephen Colbert and the title was something like "Mitt Romney eats crow" and I thought about how weird a coincidence it was, and looked it up. Apparently it means something like "admitting you're wrong after taking a strong position on something", a feeling I know all to well. I never bothered to look it up, I just accepted it like "yup, Billie literally eats crows".

As a non-native speaker I learn something new about Green Day's lyrics every day, not necessarily just complex lyrics from 21st CB but the "easier" ones as well, and my appreciation for Billie as a song writer just keeps growing.  When I started writing two years ago I really learned to appreciate every little clever line I never would have been able to come up with. 

Wow, I never knew that. I also took it to mean as similar to 'eat my hat', because that's a phrase I know, but that explanation makes so much more sense. 

5 hours ago, Wretched & Divine said:

Not quite. It's a superstition across a lot of nations that bad things, not only deaths, tend to happen in threes. I personally believe it since it has happened an eerie amount of times in my life.

Yep, I'd never actually heard the 'celebs dying in threes' thing specifically, but have heard of the notion that bad things come in threes. One day I was late for work, got a parking ticket, and missed out on a much coveted ticket to a convention, all in one day.

 

[Jesus of Seneca]

6 hours ago, crock6000 said:

 

Just FYI, GD was VERY popular before AI. For sure AI brought them even higher than the Dookie days but Dookie was almost as popular and some might even say more than AI as far as longevity and popularity. Each single was on a constant loop on MTV which used to be a big deal.  There was a lull and most thought they would not return to Dookie days prominence during the Nimrod, Warning, etc days but when AI came out, they were dubbed "reinvented". In reality, the harmonies and stuff that were laced throughout AI and TCB and now is just a staple is something they've always done going back to Sweet Children (the band, not song) and is part of the reason they were even before Dookie deemed to be BY SOME "sell outs" because they had melody in their vocals instead of "RAW CHI CHI RAW RAW" hardcore lyrics. 

All I am saying is that someone wearing a GD shirt in a movie about rock before GD is cool, agreed but it's not really surprising because it was before AI. It's just cool.

That's great to know, I just thought that in'03 they were kind of thought of as a has-been 90's band like so many others.

 

 

Listening to Tre's part in Homecoming, and realised just how much I love his voice the rare few times he sings.

Anyone remember 'Sid Sings' (Sid Vicious). If Tre ever did something like that I'd die 

Seriously though, It's time for a new Tre song.

(Anyone notice that the end of that piece in Homecoming is the beginning of Castaway?)

[Jesus of Seneca]

3 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

I wouldn't mind another Tre song or even a MD written song. I believe JAR was one by Mike.

ABM, the "hidden" track on Dookie was Tre.

 

Thanks, that video made my day

[St. Jonny]

They should pull out Emenius Sleepus on the upcoming tour and be sure to announce it was written by Mike!

[DeJennsitized]

13 hours ago, Jesus of Seneca said:

Listening to Tre's part in Homecoming, and realised just how much I love his voice the rare few times he sings.

Anyone remember 'Sid Sings' (Sid Vicious). If Tre ever did something like that I'd die 

Seriously though, It's time for a new Tre song.

(Anyone notice that the end of that piece in Homecoming is the beginning of Castaway?)

God, I was thinking the same thing last week. I was listening to a live version of Dominated Love Slave and his voice is really good!  

[Second favourite son]

20 hours ago, crock6000 said:

 

Ah, so eating one's hat is prospective but eating crow is retrospective.  Makes sense now, thanks

[End Of The World]

What do you think about this sentence:

"Punk is the enzyme of Rock"

Assuming that Rock is a chemical reaction happening in our bodies, Punk, that is a subgenre of Rock, is the thing that makes this reaction happen faster. In fact Punk has always an average of BPM (160/190) greater than Rock (120/140).

So, when listening to GD, it's like our body, or better, our "Rock" side, improves its speed. That's why we feel so good.

Does it make sense, or am I crazy?

[End Of The World]

9 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

As I read this, I threw on SN and I used to be a DJ for about a decade in the 90s so hearing BPMs was something I could do with some accuracy and SN is just at about exactly 120.

Bang Bang clocks in probably at about 130 (a drop under to me).

RevRad is about 160 (hard to hear EXACT BPM by ear past 150) unless it's drum and bass and what used to do then is cut it in half but RevRad is the first song to fall into your punk BPM you stated.)

Say Goodbye - 130

Outlaws - About 95 (probably a drop less). This is contemporary hip hop speed.

Bouncing Off the Walls - about 130

Still Breathing - About 155

 

Ill stop here but this was a quick ear test but if my numbers are off it's not more than 5bpms with the exception of RevRad so maybe they are just a rock band?

Edit: they do often play songs much faster live than on the albums.

I referred mostly to Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod. Anyway Bang Bang should be doubled, it beats in 2 not in 4. So 260 BPM.

[End Of The World]

21 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

260?!?!! Ha. No my friend. It is almost exactly 130. You're doubling it for some reason "it beats in 2, not in 4" is not a sentence that makes sense to me musically.

It's a 4/4 time signature, as I believe every song on the album is, and you count off an 8 beat.  Listen to the kick and count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and each time you do that you get a change in the music whether it is a musical or lyrical change.  Go ahead and try it out.  When you count off the 4/4 with that, it clocks in at around 130ish.  

You have never heard a Green Day song, or any song even approach 260. That is a speed that almost doesn't make sense in any genre of music.   

For some perspective, Drum N Base/Jungle and some Garage is about the fastest music in the world and it doesn't even approach 260 or even 200. 
 

The only thing that might ever hit 260 off hand is maybe some experimental Jazz fusion of some sort and even then, nobody would like it.

Here is a SLOW DnB song from the 90s and it clocks in at 170.  Now DnB is actually a derivative of Hip Hop so if you were not to jump into a DnB beat, that changes properly on the 8s as it should in a 4/4 signature, it would be cut in half and a Hip Hop speed of about 85 but it doesn't, when the beat kicks in it's at 170.  Count the 1-8 the same way on this track and you will see where the changes happen. All you need to do on this one is count the 4 on the floor bass kick which is real easy to show you that this is 170 and WAY WAY WAY faster than Bang Bang.

Here is the DnB song at about 170: Count if off and keep counting when the beat comes in. If you are counting off the time signature which is 4/4 as in all dance music, you will hear the changes happen on the 8.

 

I'm still not convinced.

I have played the violin for 5 years and the bass and the drums for 1 year and my way to count beats is different than yours. Here is why:

for Bang Bang I count the 8 beats this way: "Bang Bang, give me fame" it's 8 beats not 4, with each beat at 260 BPM. In fact this is a particular rhythm that also Platypus has got, and IMO you can't count it as a normal song with 120/130 BPM, more or less Somewhere Now for example.

Let's take two sentences with the same length (4 seconds, if we consider the tempo to be 120 BPM).

For Somewhere Now, try to count the beats on the snare and on the kick. In the sentence "I shop online so I can vote" there are 4 beats per each one.

Instead with "Bang Bang, give me fame, shoot me up to entertain", same length of the other you notice 8 beats for each one.

I'm pretty sure it's like that. I can't explain it very well, I'm not a native speaker. But I hope you can understand.

[End Of The World]

34 minutes ago, crock6000 said:

In America, and with any other person I would play with and I have been playing pretty much every instrument and am also a producer and former engineer and what I am saying is 100% accurate.

I am not trying to tell you you are wrong. Perhaps as in eastern culture, they tell stories differently (the 3 act story method is a Western method) and is why a lot of Asian films seem off or end weird to Western cultures.

But I've never seen a scenario where the universal time signature means something different than what it is. 

There is no interpretation here so there is only wrong or right as it is math. So when discussing lyrics and stuff, it's subjective, this is objective fact that I am telling you.

Let me just say again there has never been or ever will be a Green Day song that is anywhere near 260 beats per minute. You are counting 8 bars as 4 and therefore doubling the speed. 

It's real simple. All you need to know to understand this is listen for the changes and count the kicks if you like or just tap your hand on each beat between the 8s, not the 4s.

On the 8s there is a musical or lyrical change.

From the top of bang bang, during the open instrumental count to 8 and if you are counting correctly, you will hear a change after the 8 finishes. Then to the first lyrical 8.

"I get my kicks and I want to start a rager" you should count off 8 during this part.

"I want to dance like I'm on the video" another 8 count.

"I got a fever for violent behavior" another 8. (If you are correctly counting 8s during these parts, it equates to 130 beats per minute. Just to be sure of what I am sure of, I just played it through my mixer and i was almost dead on. Now this is no longer my ear but the machine analyzing at 131 exactly. Not bad!)

On the part you quoted "Bang Bang, give me fame" is not the full measure.

Its "Bang Bang give me fame. Shoot me up to entertain" is that full measure. Count 8 during that and then you get the change to the next change. This is real basic stuff and I am breaking it down for you not to discuss but to help. If you don't agree with me, that's fine, just bring it to your music instructor and I promise you he will confirm that this is all correct.

130bpm is about what it is. You are only counting 4 and therefore doubling it incorrectly.

Take care bud. Please don't take this as anything but what it is. I'm just trying to help you,  not argue with you. If I didn't think you were a cool dude, I would just let you think whatever you want and not try and convince you I'm correct. My goal in this post is to help, not argue and I PROMISE you I am not wrong here.

Edit: let me put it another way that is absolute. There has never been a song that is 260bpm that has ever been on a chart ever in the history of charts. 260bpm is a speed that is so musically ludicrous that it is a kin to saying you drove today at 400mph. That is not to say that there hasn't been experimental stuff at a high rate that might approach it but you and most people would hate it. 

 

Thank you. Also checked online. My logic drives me away from this. I was sure it was 260 BPM because I counted I as doubled. There is nothing to do. I still imagine it in my mind as faster than a normal 130 BPM song... Maybe I have a strange and different understanding of music (this may be the reason why I love it so much). Anyway I admit I was wrong. Thank you again.