Ham Pascale Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On 22.03.2016 at 1:52 PM, Kyle Serlington said: this this may be (probably is) the wrong place for this comment, but i've been on a huge Pinhead Gunpowder kick lately. I was listening to their 7"s tonight and I just ended with the one they released back in 08. Anniversary Song is credited to having lyrics written by W. Fink, which is a pseudonym used by Billie, right? the lyrics and melody are very billie, and i love the energy of the song . it's been 8 years since this was released, so i have very little hope to a new PHGP release, but i'd love to see something along these lines on a new GD album. I'd love a new PHGP release! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Its's a kind of strange that it is credited as W. Fink, he hasn't used a preudonym for PHGP before...I'd love a new release as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienlifeform Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 There are lots of PHGP songs that easily could be Green Day's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie86 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 44 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: Its's a kind of strange that it is credited as W. Fink, he hasn't used a preudonym for PHGP before...I'd love a new release as well. the wiki page for PHGP says that Billie wrote it under the name Wilhelm Fink, as well as the songs 27 and New Blood. 27 came out in 99 when Billie was 27, so that lines up, but i always thought it was a pretty mediocre song, definitely not his best. new blood is an ok song though, but i think Anniversary song is the best one he wrote for Pinhead Gunpowder. so yeah, he's credited as playing on all those albums as Billie, but for some reason the songs he wrote were credited as W Fink, but then the majority of the rest were music by PHGP and lyrics by Aaron, but that doesn't really solve the mystery as to why he used that name. maybe it was a legal thing with reprise 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kyle Serlington said: the wiki page for PHGP says that Billie wrote it under the name Wilhelm Fink, as well as the songs 27 and New Blood. 27 came out in 99 when Billie was 27, so that lines up, but i always thought it was a pretty mediocre song, definitely not his best. new blood is an ok song though, but i think Anniversary song is the best one he wrote for Pinhead Gunpowder. so yeah, he's credited as playing on all those albums as Billie, but for some reason the songs he wrote were credited as W Fink, but then the majority of the rest were music by PHGP and lyrics by Aaron, but that doesn't really solve the mystery as to why he used that name. maybe it was a legal thing with reprise OR maybe he didn't want his writing associated with Pinhead Gunpowder, only Green Day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: OR maybe he didn't want his writing associated with Pinhead Gunpowder, only Green Day. This could be it. He used it for The Network and FBHT too but he was pretending to be somebody else. It would be cool if somebody who knows about the legal side of this would tell us if it's possible that he's obliged to only use his real name in connection with Green Day. It doesn't seem likely to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: This could be it. He used it for The Network and FBHT too but he was pretending to be somebody else. It would be cool if somebody who knows about the legal side of this would tell us if it's possible that he's obliged to only use his real name in connection with Green Day. It doesn't seem likely to me. Actually it seems very likely to me. I think there are probably two reasons. There very well may be a legal side to it. Warner Brothers might have publishing royalties associated with anything written by Billei Joe Armstrong. If that is a case, then Pinhead Gunpowder would have to pay royalties for the songs Billie wrote for them. The other side is that he is not going to give his best music to Pinhead Gunpowder, he is going to save them for GD. So, he might not want his name associated with those songs. FYI, I really don't know, I'm just going by what seems logical to me. Tim could probably answer the question better than I can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Schmitt Lisboa Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I always thought of PHGP as a different musical idea. More independent, but with a lot of similarities with GD. I believe there is an attempt to keep things well separated, so his name is not used. Completely personal speculation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: Actually it seems very likely to me. I think there are probably two reasons. There very well may be a legal side to it. Warner Brothers might have publishing royalties associated with anything written by Billei Joe Armstrong. If that is a case, then Pinhead Gunpowder would have to pay royalties for the songs Billie wrote for them. The other side is that he is not going to give his best music to Pinhead Gunpowder, he is going to save them for GD. So, he might not want his name associated with those songs. FYI, I really don't know, I'm just going by what seems logical to me. Tim could probably answer the question better than I can. Sounds logical. Were The Network and FBHT released by Reprise/Warner or another label? It might be that his contract doesn't allow him to put out music on other labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jane Lannister said: Sounds logical. Were The Network and FBHT released by Reprise/Warner or another label? It might be that his contract doesn't allow him to put out music on other labels. It looks like they were both released by Adeline. But Stop Drop and Roll lists all songs written by Foxboro Hot tubs and The Network is Fink. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 That's what a lot of the old blues men did, they were under contract to one label but wrote and released different things with fake names to get around it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrduckygoosy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On 22/3/2016 at 4:52 AM, Kyle Serlington said: this this may be (probably is) the wrong place for this comment, but i've been on a huge Pinhead Gunpowder kick lately. I was listening to their 7"s tonight and I just ended with the one they released back in 08. Anniversary Song is credited to having lyrics written by W. Fink, which is a pseudonym used by Billie, right? the lyrics and melody are very billie, and i love the energy of the song . it's been 8 years since this was released, so i have very little hope to a new PHGP release, but i'd love to see something along these lines on a new GD album. I didn't know that song and I have to admit it's kind of great, but there's again that overused "for blood sex and booze you give me" moment (also presents in Shoplifter) that I get really tired of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 23 minutes ago, mrduckygoosy said: I didn't know that song and I have to admit it's kind of great, but there's again that overused "for blood sex and booze you give me" moment (also presents in Shoplifter) that I get really tired of I can't remember how's that moment present in Shoplifter and Anniversary Song. I'm officially a bad fan It doesn't annoy me in BSAB itself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrduckygoosy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Jane Lannister said: I can't remember how's that moment present in Shoplifter and Anniversary Song. I'm officially a bad fan It doesn't annoy me in BSAB itself though. The lines "To sing a song of love and sorrow" for Anniversary Song and "Trying to take something you haven't got " for Shoplifter. It's not exactly the same for sure but I think it really sounds alike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, mrduckygoosy said: The lines "To sing a song of love and sorrow" for Anniversary Song and "Trying to take something you haven't got " for Shoplifter. It's not exactly the same for sure but I think it really sounds alike. I have to admit I'm not sure what moment in the three songs you are talking about. The line "Trying to take something you haven't got" seems pretty selve explanatory, especially given the title. I've never heard Anniversay Song before, but when I read the lyrics, I almost think he is writing about Gilman Street. What is the link in the three songs you are referring too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrduckygoosy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: I have to admit I'm not sure what moment in the three songs you are talking about. The line "Trying to take something you haven't got" seems pretty selve explanatory, especially given the title. I've never heard Anniversay Song before, but when I read the lyrics, I almost think he is writing about Gilman Street. What is the link in the three songs you are referring too? My bad, I realise I didn't make myself clear I was talking about the melody, that's all. I think the way Billie sings them make these lines really similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, mrduckygoosy said: My bad, I realise I didn't make myself clear I was talking about the melody, that's all. I think the way Billie sings them make these lines really similar. Ah ok, I will have to listen then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid Meringue Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Pinhead Gunpowder is awesome for a multitude of reasons - the lineup, the lyrical content, their number of albums in general, etc - however one of my favorite things to do is align Green Day releases with those of PHGP (by date) and it weaves a narrative of what Green Day may have been like with a slightly heavier sound and less label influences. The West Side Highway EP is what first inspired me to collect vinyls and it's been a love affair ever since <3 Also, aren't we forgetting the Ballad of Wilhelm Fink? The 30-something seconds of musical perfection? What I came here to ask, though, is if anybody can show me a clip of the 21stCB "coin flipping" from the official video. It's been like 7 years and I still can't see it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 9 hours ago, JJ1964 said: Actually it seems very likely to me. I think there are probably two reasons. There very well may be a legal side to it. Warner Brothers might have publishing royalties associated with anything written by Billei Joe Armstrong. If that is a case, then Pinhead Gunpowder would have to pay royalties for the songs Billie wrote for them. The other side is that he is not going to give his best music to Pinhead Gunpowder, he is going to save them for GD. So, he might not want his name associated with those songs. FYI, I really don't know, I'm just going by what seems logical to me. Tim could probably answer the question better than I can. The publishing part wouldn't have affect but appearing in outside albums is what could be an issue some labels are real strict on artists appearing on other artists songs and albums some aren't just depends on artists and labels 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Benjamin Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I met Larry Livermore today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizziebix Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jon Benjamin said: I met Larry Livermore today. You can't just leave that here without explanation, Where? When? Details, Jon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, lizziebix said: You can't just leave that here without explanation, Where? When? Details, Jon. I heard @Jon Benjamin broke into Larrys home and forced Larry to listen to his Bieber Hanson and Green Day mashup mix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizziebix Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Just now, WhiteTim said: I heard @Jon Benjamin broke into Larrys home and forced Larry to listen to his Bieber Hanson and Green Day mashup mix Oh well, that would make for a much better story than what the truth will be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin for a Day Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, lizziebix said: Oh well, that would make for a much better story than what the truth will be. That is true. My guess is he met him on the book tour Larry is doing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizziebix Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, JJ1964 said: That is true. My guess is he met him on the book tour Larry is doing I can't find any reference that he was in Chicago for his book tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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