Random Green Day Thoughts

[UnoDosLuke_xx]

Plus...it was a mental breakdown. So glad he's pulling himself back up.

[Todd]

Yeah, it was also more significant, as it resulted in Billie receiving the treatment he needed.

[Hermione]

iHeart was watched by a ton of people though. Like, half my family saw that on tv. Anyone else that's not a fan doesn't know about that other stuff, this is the one thing that everyone seems to know about and bring up

Yeah but it's often fans who do know about that other stuff who get annoyed by other people laughing at it or saying it was awesome etc.

Like I said I wouldn't call it awesome, it was sad that he reached a point where his addictions needed treatment and to see him reach it publically. But he had addiction problems and did some silly and extreme things on stage as a result of them in the past too, so I just can't see it as black and white as every other time he did something extreme onstage while under the influence of drugs or alcohol and was going through addiction problems/personal problems at the time (but obviously also partly did it just because that was just his personality and what he wanted to do) was funny and entertaining, but iHeart was a 100% sad and solemn event where everything he did was caused solely by addiction.

[Chin for a Day]

Yeah but it's often fans who do know about that other stuff who get annoyed by other people laughing at it or saying it was awesome etc.

Like I said I wouldn't call it awesome, it was sad that he reached a point where his addictions needed treatment and to see him reach it publically. But he had addiction problems and did some silly and extreme things on stage as a result of them in the past too, so I just can't see it as black and white as every other time he did something extreme onstage while under the influence of drugs or alcohol and was going through addiction problems/personal problems at the time (but obviously also partly did it just because that was just his personality and what he wanted to do) was funny and entertaining, but iHeart was a 100% sad and solemn event where everything he did was caused solely by addiction.

iHeart isn't a sad or solemn event, but it is different than the other stuff he did. It occurred at a nationally televised benefit concert, millions of people witnessed his breakdown. Then his angry rant was directed at another artist. Granted, an artist who is not only crap, but a piece of shit of a human, and one who did not deserve to have the rant directed at him at this event. The incident appeared on all the news feeds. Even Howard Stern spent close to 1/2 hour taking about it, on a 4 hour show. While we, as GD fans, may be used to his rants, the general public was not. Billie basically made himself look like an arrogant, self centered, drug addict trying desperately to hold onto fame while making everyone feel sorry for a real piece of shit like Justin Bieber.

However, the good part of the story is that he appears to have over come his addictions. iHeart actually forced him to do something. If a public breakdown did not occur, he could possibly have ended up like Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc.

Also, I will admit, I did not find it the least bit attractive or sexy when he used to be totally naked on stage. I found it embarrassing. Painted nails and the occasional woman's dress, now we are talking.

[Hermione]

iHeart isn't a sad or solemn event, but it is different than the other stuff he did. It occurred at a nationally televised benefit concert, millions of people witnessed his breakdown. Then his angry rant was directed at another artist. Granted, an artist who is not only crap, but a piece of shit of a human, and one who did not deserve to have the rant directed at him at this event. The incident appeared on all the news feeds. Even Howard Stern spent close to 1/2 hour taking about it, on a 4 hour show. While we, as GD fans, may be used to his rants, the general public was not. Billie basically made himself look like an arrogant, self centered, drug addict trying desperately to hold onto fame while making everyone feel sorry for a real piece of shit like Justin Bieber.

However, the good part of the story is that he appears to have over come his addictions. iHeart actually forced him to do something. If a public breakdown did not occur, he could possibly have ended up like Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, etc.

Also, I will admit, I did not find it the least bit attractive or sexy when he used to be totally naked on stage. I found it embarrassing. Painted nails and the occasional woman's dress, now we are talking.

Yeah I agree it was different because of how much more public and publicized it was and because it led to him going into rehab. But just in terms of the performance/his antics, I still think it's silly to view that performance as just a totally awful thing only caused by substances and other performances with not too different antics as great entertainment. I think there's the bad effects of substances and stuff that was just part of his personality in both rather than it being completely one thing or the other.

I would add I think his totally naked performances were more his natural exhibitionism than drugs or alcohol, seems to just be something he likes to do . But he has said when he used to be drunk dancing around in a g string on the Nimrod tour he was dealing with alcohol problems and was a bit of a mess. Again I'm sure most of it was just his personality as a performer as always but knowing iHeart wasn't exactly the first time he'd been affected by addiction on stage I can't see it as being a totally shocking one off, certainly not the whole performance anyway.

[laurie_black]

One thing that kind of irritates me when the iHeart topic is brought up: The iHeart rant wasn't directed at Justin Bieber, he merely mentioned him once during the rant - people just like to single that one statement out because they enjoy bashing Justin Bieber or seeing him get bashed in general. Saying the rant was about Justin Bieber (as the tabloids seemed to do) clearly misses the point, it was obviously about his annoyance at being told to leave the stage and during that he dropped a few names. BJ mentioned Usher during the rant too, but nobody talks about that.

[unextraordinarygirl]

Why is this being discussed again? It's like beating a dead horse. He got the help he needed and seems to be better now. Isn't that all that matters?

[Chin for a Day]

Yeah I agree it was different because of how much more public and publicized it was and because it led to him going into rehab. But just in terms of the performance/his antics, I still think it's silly to view that performance as just a totally awful thing only caused by substances and other performances with not too different antics as great entertainment. I think there's the bad effects of substances and stuff that was just part of his personality in both rather than it being completely one thing or the other.I would add I think his totally naked performances were more his natural exhibitionism than drugs or alcohol, seems to just be something he likes to do . But he has said when he used to be drunk dancing around in a g string on the Nimrod tour he was dealing with alcohol problems and was a bit of a mess. Again I'm sure most of it was just his personality as a performer as always but knowing iHeart wasn't exactly the first time he'd been affected by addiction on stage I can't see it as being a totally shocking one off, certainly not the whole performance anyway.

I actually agree with you that it isn't any different than his other antics, technically. But because of the place and circumstance it is looked at differently. It is how he eventually got help, so something very good came from it

[solongfromthestars]

It kind of sounds like Billie is just repeatedly sneezing in Platypus. "'Cause achoo, 'cause achoo, 'cause achoo!"

[Iva]

It kind of sounds like Billie is just repeatedly sneezing in Platypus. "'Cause achoo, 'cause achoo, 'cause achoo!"

ANOTHER AWESOME PIECE OF CONCEPTUAL ART FROM MARIE GALLERY.

That aside, the first time I popped a pirate CD of Nimrod into my faulty diskman, I almost certainly heard "Cause I ate you!"

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

It's kind of lame since the rant was stupid. But I still find it silly that the majority of Green Day fans have always thought Billie spouting jibberish while off his face on speed, or drunkenly attempting to kick an unruly fan in the face and strip to a g-string (during a time when he has openly said in interviews that he had problems with alcohol and was a mess etc), or getting angry and going on rants or chucking his guitar across the stage is fair game to be entertained by but are then suddenly all solemn about what he did at iHeart which was basically the same thing but happened to be the last straw that made him realize he needed some help with his addiction. I wouldn't say it was awesome by any means but I just don't see being entertained by some of it as being that different from being entertained by a lot of his other substance influenced antics over the years so I don't think it's that big a deal when people are.

I think the timing is also worth mentioning — he's a 40-year-old father now and has (somewhat) matured in terms of performances, especially a hugely televised event like the iHeart Radio incident. Many respect him as a professional more today, after American Idiot (both the album and the musical) and some of his more mature endeavors of recent years. It was certainly out-of-character for his current self to go on a drunken, angry, childish tirade like that and ramble in an incoherent way about fucking Rihanna, not being Justin Bieber, etc. It wasn't "business as usual," like his 90s self being a drunken, drugged out mess.

Like you said, many people who witnessed the iHeart Radio meltdown probably weren't aware of his past behaviors, either, which made it even more notably embarrassing and out-of-character to them, I would assume. His antics weren't entertaining in the least bit, and the venue was entirely inappropriate for them, too. I don't think people's outrage toward the incident or treating it like a "sacred cow" of sorts is unjustified.

[Spike]

BJ mentioned Usher during the rant too, but nobody talks about that.

Probably because it was such a stupid comparison given the "1988" comment since Usher has been making music since 1987

[Hermione]

I think the timing is also worth mentioning — he's a 40-year-old father now and has (somewhat) matured in terms of performances, especially a hugely televised event like the iHeart Radio incident. Many respect him as a professional more today, after American Idiot (both the album and the musical) and some of his more mature endeavors of recent years. It was certainly out-of-character for his current self to go on a drunken, angry, childish tirade like that and ramble in an incoherent way about fucking Rihanna, not being Justin Bieber, etc. It wasn't "business as usual," like his 90s self being a drunken, drugged out mess.

Like you said, many people who witnessed the iHeart Radio meltdown probably weren't aware of his past behaviors, either, which made it even more notably embarrassing and out-of-character to them, I would assume. His antics weren't entertaining in the least bit, and the venue was entirely inappropriate for them, too. I don't think people's outrage toward the incident or treating it like a "sacred cow" of sorts is unjustified.

On the 21st CB tour he saw someone causing trouble in the crowd, directed security to bring them forward, and spat a whole mouthful of spit in their face, got angry at a guitar being out of tune and chucked it across the stage, and went on several angry/drunken rants including the Steve Jobs one. In 2011 he played a semi private Foxboro show and was so drunk he pulled his pants down and urinated on the stage, not to mention all his other Foxboro antics. I don't think most of the stuff he did on stage at iHeart was that out of character for his current self. I agree it certainly would've appeared out of character to anyone not super familiar with the band so I do understand that reaction in the majority of people. But seeing Billie drunkenly try to kick a fan in the face and going lololol but then going "how distasteful!" when someone posts a photo of him pulling his pants down a bit at iHeart is never going to make complete sense to me.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

On the 21st CB tour he saw someone causing trouble in the crowd, directed security to bring them forward, and spat a whole mouthful of spit in their face, got angry at a guitar being out of tune and chucked it across the stage, and went on several angry/drunken rants including the Steve Jobs one. In 2011 he played a semi private Foxboro show and was so drunk he pulled his pants down and urinated on the stage, not to mention all his other Foxboro antics. I don't think most of the stuff he did on stage at iHeart was that out of character for his current self. I agree it certainly would've appeared out of character to anyone not super familiar with the band so I do understand that reaction in the majority of people. But seeing Billie drunkenly try to kick a fan in the face and going lololol but then going "how distasteful!" when someone posts a photo of him pulling his pants down a bit at iHeart is never going to make complete sense to me.

Gross - what concert did he spit in someone's face.

[Hermione]

Gross - what concert did he spit in someone's face.

I can't remember which one, I think it was on the 2010 North American leg of the tour, possibly during the song American Idiot. There was a video of it. It was well deserved though , I believe the person was being rough/violent in the crowd, Billie was pointing him out to security using his guitar and looked very displeased by whatever he was doing. And to be fair he'll spit on people he likes (spitting over the front row of the AI musical, spitting beer on fans at Foxboro shows, and into Mike's mouth in the past) and let people (Mike) spit in his mouth as well, so it isn't as disgusting by his standards as it is to most . Still an example of being quite extreme on stage in recent times though.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

I can't remember which one, I think it was on the 2010 North American leg of the tour, possibly during the song American Idiot. There was a video of it. It was well deserved though , I believe the person was being rough/violent in the crowd, Billie was pointing him out to security using his guitar and looked very displeased by whatever he was doing. And to be fair he'll spit on people he likes (spitting over the front row of the AI musical, spitting beer on fans at Foxboro shows, and into Mike's mouth in the past) and let people (Mike) spit in his mouth as well, so it isn't as disgusting by his standards as it is to most . Still an example of being quite extreme on stage in recent times though.

I was going to say the gross little shit lucky he can write great songs but then you go & justify everything

[Hermione]

I was going to say the gross little shit lucky he can write great songs but then you go & justify everything

Probably still a bit of a gross little shit even if justified . I want to find that video now, I'm on the hunt for it.

[Chin for a Day]

I was going to say the gross little shit lucky he can write great songs but then you go & justify everything

Even I find Billie spitting in peoples faces disgusting. But, then again no one is perfect.

[UNICORN VOMIT]

Even I find Billie spitting in peoples faces disgusting. But, then again no one is perfect.

I was watching them walk up to the back of the stage in Adelaide & he let one fly but that is a whole lot different than spitting in someone's face - it is a crime afterall.

[Chin for a Day]

I was watching them walk up to the back of the stage in Adelaide & he let one fly but that is a whole lot different than spitting in someone's face - it is a crime afterall.

Spitting is gross, end of story.

[solongfromthestars]

A lot of Billie's more recent drunken antics make me as uncomfortable as iHeart now I know that alcoholism was involved. The Irving Plaza gig actually made me cringe more because it was less in your face but kind of as bad.

Also, I generally find spitting vile but I can understand spitting on the stage if someone is singing for three hours. Not in people's faces though.

ANOTHER AWESOME PIECE OF CONCEPTUAL ART FROM MARIE GALLERY.

That aside, the first time I popped a pirate CD of Nimrod into my faulty diskman, I almost certainly heard "Cause I ate you!"

It could also be this.

[Hermione]

Even I find Billie spitting in peoples faces disgusting. But, then again no one is perfect.

Hurting people in a crowd is gross as well to be fair, I'd say justice was served.

I found the video by looking for the discussion about it on here but it's now blocked for me and there doesn't appear to be another one that shows it on youtube unfortunately, suppose it might work for people in other countries though (happens at 5:10 apparently).

[Chin for a Day]

Hurting people in a crowd is gross as well to be fair, I'd say justice was served.

I found the video by looking for the discussion about it on here but it's now blocked for me and there doesn't appear to be another one that shows it on youtube unfortunately, suppose it might work for people in other countries though (happens at 5:10 apparently).

It worked for me. That was a hell of alot of spit. Looked like a fountain coming out of his mouth. You can't see what the guy is doing in the crowd, but Billie is clearly trying to point it out. Interesting how it was during American Idiot, the guy was acting the part.

Spitting is still gross.

[Hermione]

It worked for me. That was a hell of alot of spit. Looked like a fountain coming out of his mouth. You can't see what the guy is doing in the crowd, but Billie is clearly trying to point it out. Interesting how it was during American Idiot, the guy was acting the part.

Spitting is still gross.

Yeah I think we heard what the guy was doing from anecdotal evidence from people who were there. Glad it worked! I can still remember it without being able to watch it again, definitely gross

[Haushinka!]

That reminds me of another time when Billie saw someone being a douche in the crowd and jumped right on him. Classic!