Steven Seagull Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Nought like dredging up the past is there? But also because AI is just better. I'm no music critic but to me it's got more scope, the album flows better, there's better musicality, more experimentation, more lyrical meaning, more passion... I could go on. I couldn't agree less. The point is that you shouldn't be so surprised if someone thinks AI is not good. Different opinions, different taste in music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I couldn't agree less. The point is that you shouldn't be so surprised if someone thinks AI is not good. Different opinions, different taste in music. And you shouldn't be surprised if someone thinks it is good haha, for the same reason. Especially with it being one of Green Day's two most well loved and critically acclaimed albums and this being a forum full of Green Day fans. But yeah tastes among fans vary a lot, so it shouldn't really be that surprising for someone to like or dislike any of their albums or prefer any one to any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I am by no means a trilogy hater but you cannot say Uno Dos or Tre are musically or lyrically superior to AI, they're just not. Whether you prefer the trilogy to AI is a matter of opinion however, and there's nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I am by no means a trilogy hater but you cannot say Uno Dos or Tre are musically or lyrically superior to AI, they're just not. Whether you prefer the trilogy to AI is a matter of opinion however, and there's nothing wrong with that. Depends on how you judge "superior". There are things you can say pretty objectively, like AI is more complex and ambitious lyrically and musically. But different people use all kinds of different factors to determine what makes lyrics and music better overall, for example some will value simplicity over complexity or good one liners over meaningful but maybe not as entertaining lyrics. There's too many different ways of judging what's superior/better for it to be objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Listening to the trilogy today. I think ya'll are crazy. There's some goddamn catchy songs on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Listening to the trilogy today. I think ya'll are crazy. There's some goddamn catchy songs on here. And State of Shock. Should've been on Uno - move Kill the DJ to Dos, take off Nightlife, replace Ashley with Hearts Collide and it'd be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 And State of Shock. Should've been on Uno - move Kill the DJ to Dos, take off Nightlife, replace Ashley with Hearts Collide and it'd be perfect. Hearts Collide would have fit perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 And State of Shock. Should've been on Uno - move Kill the DJ to Dos, take off Nightlife, replace Ashley with Hearts Collide and it'd be perfect. I didn't really like state of shock. As much as I disliked Nightlife, I'd rather see something different and experimental on a Green Day record than a song like State of Shock. I didn't even think of putting Hearts Collide in the mix. Great point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 These are the lyrics to Dirty Rotten Bastards on TuneWiki. Actually made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 These are the lyrics to Dirty Rotten Bastards on TuneWiki. Actually made me laugh. Someone needs to tell them to put in Tom's "Jew Leanna's homous ride." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 These are the lyrics to Dirty Rotten Bastards on TuneWiki. Actually made me laugh. I just went to edit it, and you know what it said? The quality team reviewed it to make sure it was OK, and locked it. SERIOUSLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatteredminority Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Even though Green Day's music is mostly made up of powechords, I find the chord progressions of Warning, AI and 21stCB pretty interesting and clever, while the ones in the trilogy feel like I've already heard a million songs that use them. Also, I prefer a lot more the simple, melodic solos of their previous releases (Whatsername, WMUWSE) than the sped-up-pentatonic-scale-with-lots-of-bendings ones of the Trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Even though Green Day's music is mostly made up of powechords, I find the chord progressions of Warning, AI and 21stCB pretty interesting and clever, while the ones in the trilogy feel like I've already heard a million songs that use them. Also, I prefer a lot more the simple, melodic solos of their previous releases (Whatsername, WMUWSE) than the sped-up-pentatonic-scale-with-lots-of-bendings ones of the Trilogy. Why do you cover your face with the Nimrod circle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatteredminority Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Why do you cover your face with the Nimrod circle? Because this is a Green Day forum and the artwork of Nimrod (my favourite Green Day album) is about faces covered with that sign (?) Is there anything wrong with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Why do you cover your face with the Nimrod circle? Probably so creepy guys on the internet can't perv on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Because this is a Green Day forum and the artwork of Nimrod (my favourite Green Day album) is about faces covered with that sign (?) Is there anything wrong with it? Not at all man! Just curious Probably so creepy guys on the internet can't perv on him. Of all the things you can call me, creepy shouldn't be one of them. I never creep. Everybody I hit on is pretty much in on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatteredminority Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Now that I reread my answer, maybe I sounded a bit aggressive or something, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Now that I reread my answer, maybe I sounded a bit aggressive or something, sorry! Haha...it's OK man. You don't post on here a lot...so you haven't gotten the pleasure of knowing who I am yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Now that I reread my answer, maybe I sounded a bit aggressive or something, sorry! I see you've met Ryan. Don't drop the soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I see you've met Ryan. Don't drop the soap. Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 These are the lyrics to Dirty Rotten Bastards on TuneWiki. Actually made me laugh. [img=http://i.imgur.comSound like they've got Billie's elocution down to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The idea that the Trilogy is good because it's catchy is an interesting one. If I want catchy I'll go listen to Carly Rae Jepsen. Catchy isn't what Green Day are good at. Personally I want something meaningful, with depth both musically and lyrically, with a lot of nuances that take a long time to figure out so I can enjoy decoding it over a period of time. This may sound weird but as soon as I crack a song in its entirety on a technical level it loses most of its appeal for me. Maybe that's why Dookie doesn't do much for me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The idea that the Trilogy is good because it's catchy is an interesting one. If I want catchy I'll go listen to Carly Rae Jepsen. Catchy isn't what Green Day are good at. Personally I want something meaningful, with depth both musically and lyrically, with a lot of nuances that take a long time to figure out so I can enjoy decoding it over a period of time. This may sound weird but as soon as I crack a song in its entirety on a technical level it loses most of its appeal for me. Maybe that's why Dookie doesn't do much for me anymore. Dookie is mostly simple catchy songs. I understand that doesn't appeal to everyone, but to say they're not good at that is having a complete disregard for their biggest album ever. I enjoy the complex songs and songwriting on Warning through 21st Century Breakdown - and I'd be the first in line for something more similar to Warning - catchy songs that also have a lot of depth to them without needing the storyline. But that doesn't mean I don't also enjoy Green Day songs that have a good beat and I can sing along to them. I think pleasure in music is layered and some of my favorite bands are able to find a mix between something I think sounds good while also being meaningful. I love learning a lyric for the first time and thinking "holy fuck that's clever, that's some good song writing". But I can also enjoy something straight forward just because it's a catchy tune. I also don't think the trilogy is all shallow lyrically. There are a few songs that are, but there's always something behind them. I think Lazy Bones and Lady Cobra are both lyrically shallow (they aren't in anyway hard to understand precisely what he's talking about), but each of them has a story behind them that I think is more valuable than the face-value of the lyrics. Of course my appreciation of Lazy Bones is because it's one of the first Green Day songs in a very very long time that I felt applied directly to my life (last one I really felt like that about was Coming Clean). The same could be said for a song like Longview, which people write off as just about jacking off. I think if you start to think about what mental state Billie Joe was in when he wrote these songs, what brought him to want to express these things, there's a much more interesting depth to them. You can think about what's being said between the lines of a song like Lady Cobra or Lazy Bones or X-Kid and I think that the trilogy has a depth to it people are quick to write off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrelandCalling Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 'Lazy Bones' and 'X Kid' are two of the finest songs from the Trilogy; as a sequence of albums I don't think it has enough quality and strength to uphold the sprawling ideal and vision; but it does contain some brilliant songs, scattered among the filler. 'Lazy Bones', from the opening riff, is just excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1969 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 And State of Shock. Should've been on Uno - move Kill the DJ to Dos, take off Nightlife, replace Ashley with Hearts Collide and it'd be perfect. And "A Little Boy Named Train". I'm surprised how can people forget about that monstrosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.