The Disappearing Boy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 That's what a music degree and ears can do for you Actually, I've just realised that I never just sit down and listen to music. I'm either playing guitar along with it, so can't hear it as well, or doing something else and not fully concentrating on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 That's what a music degree and ears can do for you Wait, a music degree can do something useful? Mind blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Actually, I've just realised that I never just sit down and listen to music. I'm either playing guitar along with it, so can't hear it as well, or doing something else and not fully concentrating on it. Yeah, I went through a really long phase of doing that. I actually listened to American Idiot properly for the first time in a good 5 years about 6 months ago, after I got hold of the remaster. It was an interesting experience. Wait, a music degree can do something useful? Mind blown Who said it was useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 X Kid deserves to be a live staple. I was super stoked when they played it in LA last April and it was amazing live. But then again, so was the whole concert . No it doesn't, it is awkward live, Billie doesn't stay in the pocket. The speed ruins it. Nobody knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudley dawson Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 No it doesn't, it is awkward live, Billie doesn't stay in the pocket. The speed ruins it. Nobody knows it. It was new and barely got any promotion, so of course not many casual fans know it. Honestly, that song would have been HUGE if promoted properly, but Reprise really shit the bed on the promotion all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shluffy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 There are certainly some production issues regarding wimpy sounding guitar on the Trilogy records. I think they went into it with good intentions production-wise wanting to have a really clean simple sound, but on some songs it falls a little flat. Song-wise though I think the trilogy is fantastic. If they had condensed it into one or even two records it would probably be much more highly regarded. I'm glad they did release it all for my selfish fan's sake cause I really enjoy it, but alas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 , but Reprise really shit the bed on the promotion all around. No not really labels dont care to spend millions of dollars on promoting a band that is not able to go on shows and make public apperences... so if you want to blame someone for lack of promotion you should blame the one who caused it... Tho I say fuck promotion and fuck a record if a person health is at risk as thats more important than sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykee Mexx Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I hope they never drop SWTRLF off of the setlist. While I genuinely hate it when I hear it on the album, it's got undeniable power live (probably because the bass is more intense or something??) Anyway, yeah, that was one of the good things to come out of the Trilogy, I suppose. They tend to be better live than in the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think the fact the band chose to only do five Trilogy songs in a 30 song set for Brixton, Leeds and Reading in favour of doing Dookie in full for an insignificant anniversary (who cares about 19 years?) says a lot. They could have used those shows to really push the Trilogy hard over here, and they didn't. I know festival crowds expect big hits rather than more obscure tracks, but they did play Emenius Sleepus, Sassafras Roots and In The End, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think the fact the band chose to only do five Trilogy songs in a 30 song set for Brixton, Leeds and Reading in favour of doing Dookie in full for an insignificant anniversary (who cares about 19 years?) says a lot. They could have used those shows to really push the Trilogy hard over here, and they didn't. I know festival crowds expect big hits rather than more obscure tracks, but they did play Emenius Sleepus, Sassafras Roots and In The End, so... Agreed, and it was the same throughout the main tour, too. And I know some people will say 'they're Green Day, they do what they want', and that is true to an extent, but also, they aren't stupid. They know how to make setlists, and they know that the aim of a tour is to promote a particular album and entertain their fans. They played very little of the trilogy, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Agreed, and it was the same throughout the main tour, too. And I know some people will say 'they're Green Day, they do what they want', and that is true to an extent, but also, they aren't stupid. They know how to make setlists, and they know that the aim of a tour is to promote a particular album and entertain their fans. They played very little of the trilogy, really. But on the other hand its like Mike said they chose to treat the trilogy as one album and GD has always played 6-7 songs off the new cd and rest are previous songs so theyve kept the tradition up at least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Agreed, and it was the same throughout the main tour, too. And I know some people will say 'they're Green Day, they do what they want', and that is true to an extent, but also, they aren't stupid. They know how to make setlists, and they know that the aim of a tour is to promote a particular album and entertain their fans. They played very little of the trilogy, really. I agree. They had 37 songs to choose from and played 5, which is next to nothing for a 30 song set. Especially when it was the same five every time, and didn't even include Nuclear Family. Compare that to American Idiot where they did literally half the album as part of 20 song sets and there's just no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 But on the other hand its like Mike said they chose to treat the trilogy as one album and GD has always played 6-7 songs off the new cd and rest are previous songs so theyve kept the tradition up at least... I think I remember him saying that, and it's fine, but why keep it to the same songs? I suppose they need to practise songs and there probably isn't much time on tour, but I still feel they could have played more trilogy songs couldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think Kill the dj would have been a smasher live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I agree. They had 37 songs to choose from and played 5, which is next to nothing for a 30 song set. Especially when it was the same five every time, and didn't even include Nuclear Family. Compare that to American Idiot where they did literally half the album as part of 20 song sets and there's just no comparison. But given that the band was treating the trilogy as one album as oppose to three album when compiling the setlist they did the same amount of songs as they did for AI or for 21st tours I think I remember him saying that, and it's fine, but why keep it to the same songs? I suppose they need to practise songs and there probably isn't much time on tour, but I still feel they could have played more trilogy songs couldn't they? True they could have but maybe they werent rehearsed on other songs dunno but they could have varied the songs around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It was new and barely got any promotion, so of course not many casual fans know it. Honestly, that song would have been HUGE if promoted properly, but Reprise really shit the bed on the promotion all around. That doesn't change anything. Songs that are so unknown are doomed from the start, fair or not. The song takes the atmosphere out of the place, its awkward. And not Reprise's fault Billie lost it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 That doesn't change anything. Songs that are so unknown are doomed from the start, fair or not. The song takes the atmosphere out of the place, its awkward. And not Reprise's fault Billie lost it I agree with this, and I actually hate to do so. It's a crying shame that X Kid isn't more well known, it's one of the best songs Green Day have ever done. I don't think it would have been massive in mainstream terms because far too many people seem to think the band are past it. They'll never match what they did with American Idiot; 21 Guns was the closest they've come and it still had nothing on BOBD or WMUWSE in mainstream success terms. For anyone to think the Trilogy would have done really well with more promotion is incredibly optimistic, regardless of one's own opinion of the quality of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z J Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I agree with this, and I actually hate to do so. It's a crying shame that X Kid isn't more well known, it's one of the best songs Green Day have ever done. I don't think it would have been massive in mainstream terms because far too many people seem to think the band are past it. They'll never match what they did with American Idiot; 21 Guns was the closest they've come and it still had nothing on BOBD or WMUWSE in mainstream success terms. For anyone to think the Trilogy would have done really well with more promotion is incredibly optimistic, regardless of one's own opinion of the quality of it. X-Kid is a good song, but the chorus falls ever so slightly short for me. The hook just isn't there. When "bombs away" comes in I just feel slightly underwhelmed. I don't think there is one song on the trilogy that really could have charted as high as maybe 50th on the Hot 100. Even with perfect promotion/luck. I think Stray Heart has the most radio friendly sound, but it isn't really typical Green Day sound, so it may not have caught on. I think X-Kid, Nuclear Family, and 99 Revs could have maybe done well, but doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 X-Kid is a good song, but the chorus falls ever so slightly short for me. The hook just isn't there. When "bombs away" comes in I just feel slightly underwhelmed. I don't think there is one song on the trilogy that really could have charted as high as maybe 50th on the Hot 100. Even with perfect promotion/luck. I think Stray Heart has the most radio friendly sound, but it isn't really typical Green Day sound, so it may not have caught on. I think X-Kid, Nuclear Family, and 99 Revs could have maybe done well, but doubtful. With better lyrics and production, Kill the DJ might've had a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudley dawson Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'm getting tired of many of you slamming the production for sounding "weak". It sounds very un-weak to me, with guitars, bass, and drums that really hit. Oh and you can actually make out each instrument, unlike another album that shall go unnamed lol. In all honesty I do like 21stCB, but I think it is their weakest album musically.X-Kid is a good song, but the chorus falls ever so slightly short for me. The hook just isn't there. When "bombs away" comes in I just feel slightly underwhelmed. I don't think there is one song on the trilogy that really could have charted as high as maybe 50th on the Hot 100. Even with perfect promotion/luck. I think Stray Heart has the most radio friendly sound, but it isn't really typical Green Day sound, so it may not have caught on. I think X-Kid, Nuclear Family, and 99 Revs could have maybe done well, but doubtful. I LOVE when "Bombs away" comes in, it gives me goosebumps each time I hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'm getting tired of many of you slamming the production for sounding "weak". It sounds very un-weak to me, with guitars, bass, and drums that really hit. Oh and you can actually make out each instrument, unlike another album that shall go unnamed lol. In all honesty I do like 21stCB, but I think it is their weakest album musically. But it DOES sound weak. The guitars are far too clean and low in the mix for it to have the power it needs. The bass does sound great, but it's not enough to make up for the guitars. Compare something like Missing You to Murder City - the palm muting in the verses sounds really weak in Missing You. I don't think there's a single album where you can't make out every instrument, it's just that the wall of guitars in Breakdown makes the bass harder to pick out. But that's the point of the wall of sound method. You'd really notice if the bass wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleasedToMeetMe Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 It really bums me out that the only reason the band really seems to not give a shit about the trilogy is because it wasn't a huge hit. They should be proud of it and toured for it properly regardless of how many copies it sold. It would have been epic. A lot of the songs would have fit into the setlist really well with the distorted guitars added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I hope they never drop SWTRLF off of the setlist. While I genuinely hate it when I hear it on the album, it's got undeniable power live (probably because the bass is more intense or something??) Anyway, yeah, that was one of the good things to come out of the Trilogy, I suppose. Mike said that SWTRLF is the place Green Day is in right now musically and where they plan to continue. I think Kill the dj would have been a smasher live. It was amazing at the Echoplex. I remember the thread watching that show said it was their best song since JOS or something lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Mike said that SWTRLF is the place Green Day is in right now musically and where they plan to continue. That's quite a worrying thought. It was amazing at the Echoplex. I remember the thread watching that show said it was their best song since JOS or something lol They're just messing with us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Mike said that SWTRLF is the place Green Day is in right now musically and where they plan to continue. And Billie says that 99 Revolutions is one of the best songs they've ever written. Excuse me while I take every single thing GD says with a fucking dump truck full of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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