Heather. Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I would just like to mention that Geddy Lee is the vocalist of one of the most successful stadium rock bands ever and yet, he's also the band's bass player. Just cause someone's on bass doesn't mean they can't sing. Another thing: Mike is suited for punk rock. If that dude wanted to bust out some Sex Pistols tunes, you bet your ass he'd do it and he'd do it well. His voice isn't as tamed and controlled as Billie's, which is absolutely fine. I know that bass players can be lead singers. I would have said "and that's why he's the guitar player" if that was his role. And I agree, Mike is suited for punk, possibly more than Billie. And as we know, punk isn't exactly about being a "good" singer That's part of the reason I think GD has found success in the mainstream... they have relatively "punk" music, but their lead singer is delivering it in a poppy (aka more vocally pleasing) way. Suffice it to say if Mike had been Green Day's lead singer, they might have been successful on the underground, but we wouldn't be hearing it on the radio. Governator is fucking awesome and Mike can sing, as he's proven multiple times? Singing a song doesn't make you a singer Governator makes me ears bleed. There's nothing wrong with the way Mike sings for the purposes of random Green Day b-sides, it's perfectly entertaining, but that doesn't make it technically "good." And don't get me wrong, I love Mike and I approve of his backing vocals and don't mind that songs like Governator exist, but there's a reason these would never be hits, and it has to do with the singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Like I said earlier, I love punk rock, but some parts of it are so hypocritical. I should stop now before I go off on another rant about how the scene has slowly deteriorated into some anti-mainstream, twisted, hypocritical elitist society. (but the music is so good ) The majority of my favourite bands are punk to some extent, but I'll never consider myself a punk. I don't see why popularity needs to be considered unacceptable within the genre. Punk and rock music in general needs popular bands to keep the genre from dying, so to '86' a band from the punk scene based purely on success and not actually musical quality or substance is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 The majority of my favourite bands are punk to some extent, but I'll never consider myself a punk. I don't see why popularity needs to be considered unacceptable within the genre. Punk and rock music in general needs popular bands to keep the genre from dying, so to '86' a band from the punk scene based purely on success and not actually musical quality or substance is just stupid. All my favorite bands are punk bands (minus Green Day?). I wouldn't dare call myself a punk though because I'd get beat up by "real punks." Even though by original punk standards (Ramones, Dead Boys, etc.) I am a punk because I listen to the music. As time's gone on, I've started to dress, act, and listen to music like a "real punk," although it is my goal to never become a punk elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerplunk!!! Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Wild one is a highlight of the trilogy, alot of people don't seem to care much for this track but it was one of the tracks that jumped out to me. It's a nice slow song but with driven down stroke powerchords that remind me of Rotting and Redundent which are another two really good Green Day songs that don't get alot of love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Nice! I'll have to watch it sometime. I've also been meaning to watch American Hardcore (I think that's the name of it). Too many movies, so little free time Without the music, punks would just be depressed anarcho-activists that stick safety pins through their face for fun. It's not so appealing without Johnny Rotten screaming at you to do it. But I don't have Netflix Is it illegally on YouTube? Because that I can do. Very possible! If not, there are "other" means to watch it. Plus, I'm sure it's streaming somewhere, it has quite the cult following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Very possible! If not, there are "other" means to watch it. Plus, I'm sure it's streaming somewhere, it has quite the cult following. I'm definitely gonna have to watch it sometime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraGreenDay Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Wild one is a highlight of the trilogy, alot of people don't seem to care much for this track but it was one of the tracks that jumped out to me. It's a nice slow song but with driven down stroke powerchords that remind me of Rotting and Redundent which are another two really good Green Day songs that don't get alot of love! Agreed with everything, i really really love Wild One, one of my favorites from the trilogy, but i lot of people don´t care so much, what a good song!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I know that bass players can be lead singers. I would have said "and that's why he's the guitar player" if that was his role. And I agree, Mike is suited for punk, possibly more than Billie. And as we know, punk isn't exactly about being a "good" singer That's part of the reason I think GD has found success in the mainstream... they have relatively "punk" music, but their lead singer is delivering it in a poppy (aka more vocally pleasing) way. Suffice it to say if Mike had been Green Day's lead singer, they might have been successful on the underground, but we wouldn't be hearing it on the radio. Singing a song doesn't make you a singer Governator makes me ears bleed. There's nothing wrong with the way Mike sings for the purposes of random Green Day b-sides, it's perfectly entertaining, but that doesn't make it technically "good." And don't get me wrong, I love Mike and I approve of his backing vocals and don't mind that songs like Governator exist, but there's a reason these would never be hits, and it has to do with the singing. I don't get it, his singing is good. You can't say it's NOT good when it is on time, in key, and fits with the song. Not to mention he's VERY consistent. By definition that's good singing. That's how Mike sings just about every time. You can say you dislike his voice, that's an opinion and you are entitled to it, but you can't actually deny that Mike can sing! Sure, he can't sing opera and he probably couldn't hit half the notes of the latest big pop single (they focus too much on vocal range and not enough on every other aspect of music) but he could sing it in key and perform backing vocals. I can't disagree on the hits note though, I doubt those songs could have been hits either way, hence why Mike took the track anyways (possibly). Still, you're expressing a dislike for his voice, then merging it into "He isn't a good singer", which is biased. Same could have been said for Kurt Cobain! My fiance' hates his voice, and is biased into saying he can't sing. That's actually wrong, as Butch Vig, Dave Grohl, and Krist were all quoted as saying that Kurt was pitch perfect in studio and had an admirable amount of control while still keeping his distinctive "throat full of rocks" (<-- Dave said this) sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdlyon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Green Day should be making their comeback on the Grammys tonight. They're really blowing a great oppurtunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm definitely gonna have to watch it sometime Google "Watch SLC Punk online" and it'll be on there fast. I can't post links though on here, as it's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Green Day should be making their comeback on the Grammys tonight. They're really blowing a great oppurtunity. I don't think they can just show up and steal the show. That's not how it works. It's the corporate music industry, not 924 Gilman.Google "Watch SLC Punk online" and it'll be on there fast. I can't post links though on here, as it's illegal. Got it! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdlyon Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I don't think they can just show up and steal the show. That's not how it works. It's the corporate music industry, not 924 Gilman. Not what I meant. I meant they should have scheduled a performance and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I know that bass players can be lead singers. I would have said "and that's why he's the guitar player" if that was his role. And I agree, Mike is suited for punk, possibly more than Billie. And as we know, punk isn't exactly about being a "good" singer That's part of the reason I think GD has found success in the mainstream... they have relatively "punk" music, but their lead singer is delivering it in a poppy (aka more vocally pleasing) way. Suffice it to say if Mike had been Green Day's lead singer, they might have been successful on the underground, but we wouldn't be hearing it on the radio. Singing a song doesn't make you a singer Governator makes me ears bleed. There's nothing wrong with the way Mike sings for the purposes of random Green Day b-sides, it's perfectly entertaining, but that doesn't make it technically "good." And don't get me wrong, I love Mike and I approve of his backing vocals and don't mind that songs like Governator exist, but there's a reason these would never be hits, and it has to do with the singing. Singing a song does make you a singer actually... Maybe not a GOOD singer though I do really enjoy Mike's voice whenever it's utilized, but it is less mainstream and more punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I don't get it, his singing is good. You can't say it's NOT good when it is on time, in key, and fits with the song. Not to mention he's VERY consistent. By definition that's good singing. That's how Mike sings just about every time. You can say you dislike his voice, that's an opinion and you are entitled to it, but you can't actually deny that Mike can sing! Sure, he can't sing opera and he probably couldn't hit half the notes of the latest big pop single (they focus too much on vocal range and not enough on every other aspect of music) but he could sing it in key and perform backing vocals. I can't disagree on the hits note though, I doubt those songs could have been hits either way, hence why Mike took the track anyways (possibly). Still, you're expressing a dislike for his voice, then merging it into "He isn't a good singer", which is biased. Same could have been said for Kurt Cobain! My fiance' hates his voice, and is biased into saying he can't sing. That's actually wrong, as Butch Vig, Dave Grohl, and Krist were all quoted as saying that Kurt was pitch perfect in studio and had an admirable amount of control while still keeping his distinctive "throat full of rocks" (<-- Dave said this) sound. I agree but I disagree because Mike has a ridiculous range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Wild one is a highlight of the trilogy, alot of people don't seem to care much for this track but it was one of the tracks that jumped out to me. It's a nice slow song but with driven down stroke powerchords that remind me of Rotting and Redundent which are another two really good Green Day songs that don't get alot of love! Wild One is one of my favorites on the trilogy top 5 easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey1251 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 The Brain Stew Godzilla Soundtrack version fucking rules!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insomniac45 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I don't like how Mike dumbed down his playing since the 2000s. Listen to what he plays on Dookie, Kerplunk and especially Insomniac. It's fucking amazing! It's probably the most complex and melodic bass I've heard in any pop punk band, most bass players just play a simplified version of what the guitar plays, but Mike plays his own melody in those albums. But his bass lines still perfectly harmonize with Billie's guitar. I understand that he had to dumb down his bass for American Idiot and 21stCB because those were rock operas. But I hoped he would go nuts again for the trilogy... We did get some badass bass lines (Dirty Rotten Bastards, Makeout Party, Missing You) but those were solos and not the kind of bass playing I wanted from Mike (melodic bass lines that harmonize with the guitar). But it's still better than what we got from AI and 21stCB I guess. I just really hope Mike really dumbs down his playing for the "sake of the music", not because he lost his skills or something. o_O I don't even think that could happen. But he was so talented in his 20s, you would expect he would be even more amazing in his 40s. I disagree. Just look at some of the Trilogy bass material. Makeout Party, Nuclear Family, Nightlife, Dirty Rotten Bastards, etc. I believe his bass playing may have been dumbed down since the Insomniac days to about 21st CB, but I really think he stepped it up for the trilogy. Same goes with Billie! I just love hearing a solo on just about every single song off the trilogy haha Edit: My bad, I didn't see that you mentioned some of the trilogy songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met Fan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I agree with InvaderPhantom but the way I perceived it was that the bass lines were not mixed as clear or loud as the used to be after Warning. I imagine it's gonna remain that way if there's going to be two guitars from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I agree but I disagree because Mike has a ridiculous range. Indeed! His backing vocals have so many high notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 No. He has a good range. His backing vocals prove it. Just listen to Murder City again Ridiculous means good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ridiculous means good. Oh. Really? Oh yeah, sorry it was a confusion just realised. Then I agree. I'll edit my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Mike is good at doing the backing but if GD did a whole cd with him doing lead vocals I'd avoid that cd more than I do my son's mothers lawyer or the plauge... I love Mike hell of a bass player but can't stand him singing lead Governator makes me cut my ears off with a rusted nail from the year 1492... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I actually love Mike's voice I wish he could sing some more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I actually love Mike's voice I wish he could sing some more You dont hate a single thing bout Mike tho lol Id take Mike singing over Tre tho While i do laugh at Tre's songs i usually skip em after a couple listens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You dont hate a single thing bout Mike tho lol Id take Mike singing over Tre tho While i do laugh at Tre's songs i usually skip em after a couple listens I also like Tré's songs. I don't listen to them very often but I never feel the need to skip them What's to hate about Mike though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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