murdercitykid Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Thinking Warning is underrated is one of the most popular opinions of all time on GDC. My point was that I think that Warning has the best lyrics AND I said it was underrated, I think that was pretty clear. The point in my post was about the lyrics anyway, and I don't think that opinion is that popular, though I don't know this forum that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I have to agree that Mike can't really sing and Governator sucks I do think Mike has a good punk spoken-word type of voice and can do that awesome bit on American Eulogy really well, and he's perfectly suited to sing those parts, but in terms of actual melody, he's not lead singer material. But that's why he's the bass player, doy. I'm curious why he sings that one line on Sex Drugs & Violence... he doesn't do it badly, it's totally fine and it's nice random variety, but if you think Billie wouldn't have sung it better, you're in denial. It's not a question of better or not, it's that Mike has fantastic pipes. Anyone who can't see that after all these years is definitely in denial. Live, Mike is one of the best backup vocalist I've seen. He has a great voice, one that isn't used enough in this trilogy. Governator is one of my favorite tracks as well <.< I also love The Network. I especially LOVE BJ's singing, but I equally love it when Mike gets thrown a few lines a record. He has such a perfect voice next to Billies. I don't think Billie would have sung it "better", just differently. Maybe technically better as in range vocally? But not in sound, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThibautDookie Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I don't know if someone will agree with me but in my opinion Insomniac is more punk than Dookie. The sound of the record, the lyrics ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Mike's singing might not be technically amazing (lead singing anyway, he's a fine backing singer) but I love hearing it every now and again. Wouldn't wanna hear him singing every song but the rare times he does I enjoy it and don't think it'd be improved by Billie singing instead. Switching it up with Mike's voice is a nice change/surprise from time to time, especially live. However technically good his singing is hearing and seeing him take the mic is a treat, probably because he's such a BAMF Most of the opinions in this thread are popular on GDC anyway.Ha true!My point was that I think that Warning has the best lyrics AND I said it was underrated, I think that was pretty clear. The point in my post was about the lyrics anyway, and I don't think that opinion is that popular, though I don't know this forum that well.Oh I wasn't aiming that at you in particular, and I agree with your post. Just noticed a lot of posts mentioning Warning's underrated which is something I've always thought of as a very popular GDC opinion. Liking Warning a lot almost seems to be a GDC tradition I don't know if someone will agree with me but in my opinion Insomniac is more punk than Dookie.The sound of the record, the lyrics ... I agree, and I think that's what they were going for. After all the flack they got from the local punk scene for signing to a major label etc they were in a pissed off mood and set out to make a harder, faster, pissed off album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I don't know if someone will agree with me but in my opinion Insomniac is more punk than Dookie. The sound of the record, the lyrics ... In a hardcore punk sense yes, but that doesn't necessarily make Dookie "less punk" than Insomniac. It's just a different kind of punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThibautDookie Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 An also, in my opinion some songs from Dookie are punk and some have pop influence a bit. Insomniac is a punk record. Nimrod combined punk and pop sound. Warning was a pop rock record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Well Green Day have always been a very melodic rock band with pop songwriting influences. The only outright pop (as in genre) songs on Dookie to me are When I Come Around and Pulling Teeth (which is a satire). Otherwise it's the perfect blend of fantastic pop songwriting, amazing production, and punk rock energy/sound/attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam-Itz-GreenDay Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 What now! Page own I think Are We The Waiting is a breathtaking song. It brings me to tears every time I listen to it, especially the BIAB version. My favorite line is "The rage and love, story of my life" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 An also, in my opinion some songs from Dookie are punk and some have pop influence a bit. Insomniac is a punk record. Nimrod combined punk and pop sound. Warning was a pop rock record. I wouldn't necessarily call Nimrod a punk and pop album. I think some songs definitely do have a punk influence but overall it's not as "punk" sounding as their previous albums. That's when they started to deviate into the more pop-rock era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I wouldn't necessarily call Nimrod a punk and pop album. I think some songs definitely do have a punk influence but overall it's not as "punk" sounding as their previous albums. That's when they started to deviate into the more pop-rock era. I think it goes either way. They dove into a lot of experimentation, but at the same time they were still hammering out punk rock and pop punk tunes. Take a look at the B-Sides that went to Shenanigans or songs like Nice Guys Finish Last, Platypus, Uptight, Jinx/Haushinka, Reject, Take Back, and Prosthetic Head. Most of the traditional punk rock got cut from the final tracklist, but there's still quite a bit of that influence. The way I see it, they didn't really shed a lot of that sound until Warning, which is a testament to how talented Green Day are as songwriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I agree, and I think that's what they were going for. After all the flack they got from the local punk scene for signing to a major label etc they were in a pissed off mood and set out to make a harder, faster, pissed off album. All of the Green Day biographies I've read (which is only two ) have pretty much stated that Insomniac was Green Day "Hey, you know what punk elitists? Fuck you too" album. If I remember correctly, 86 is actually about an incident when Billie went back to 924 Gilman and ran into one of his friends who said, "What the fuck are you doing here Billie Joe?" Also, according to legend, someone wrote "Billie Joe must die" on the wall inside of Gilman. So yeah, the band was definitely pissed and feeling ostracized from the punk community. That's what most of the songs are about. I don't know if someone will agree with me but in my opinion Insomniac is more punk than Dookie. The sound of the record, the lyrics ... Insomniac is more of the stereotypical punk album. It's more angry and more hardcore, but I wouldn't say it makes Dookie any less punk. If you listen to Operation Ivy and The Ramones, for example, Op Ivy's more in-your-face, let's scream about politics punk rock while The Ramones are more melodic. That doesn't make one more punk than the other. Insomniac was a darker album though, so it's all perspective and has to do with what your idea of punk is (since no one seems to agree on exactly what the hell it is). I have to agree that Mike can't really sing and Governator sucks I do think Mike has a good punk spoken-word type of voice and can do that awesome bit on American Eulogy really well, and he's perfectly suited to sing those parts, but in terms of actual melody, he's not lead singer material. But that's why he's the bass player, doy. I'm curious why he sings that one line on Sex Drugs & Violence... he doesn't do it badly, it's totally fine and it's nice random variety, but if you think Billie wouldn't have sung it better, you're in denial. I would just like to mention that Geddy Lee is the vocalist of one of the most successful stadium rock bands ever and yet, he's also the band's bass player. Just cause someone's on bass doesn't mean they can't sing. Another thing: Mike is suited for punk rock. If that dude wanted to bust out some Sex Pistols tunes, you bet your ass he'd do it and he'd do it well. His voice isn't as tamed and controlled as Billie's, which is absolutely fine. It's like if Adele decided to sing a Dead Kennedys song. It would probably sound horrible. But she could sing Tina Turner songs with no problem because that's more blues/rock and that's what she's suited too and that's her style. Same thing with Mike and Billie. They just have different voices and different techniques. I think it goes either way. They dove into a lot of experimentation, but at the same time they were still hammering out punk rock and pop punk tunes. Take a look at the B-Sides that went to Shenanigans or songs like Nice Guys Finish Last, Platypus, Uptight, Jinx/Haushinka, Reject, Take Back, and Prosthetic Head. Most of the traditional punk rock got cut from the final tracklist, but there's still quite a bit of that influence. The way I see it, they didn't really shed a lot of that sound until Warning, which is a testament to how talented Green Day are as songwriters. I get where you're coming from. I meant that I don't think it's as "punk" as their previous albums. Not all of the songs are punk or have that influence, like Insomniac or Dookie did. They started to branch out a bit more which caused the album to be a bit more diverse and a bit more pop-y. They definitely did have some punk songs on there though. I didn't mean to say there wasn't punk on Nimrod at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 86 was written about how the band was 'banished' from the Gilman scene. Billie Joe said it hit him on a night when he showed up at Gilman to see a punk show and a friend (or former friend) working the door told him "What the hell are you doing here?" Then later that night another friend who had keys to club went in with Billie after hours to drink inside and hang out. Billie says that they went into the girls bathroom to mess around and he discovered graffiti on the wall that said "Billie Joe must die." He says that at that moment he realized that the old days really were gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I have to agree that Mike can't really sing and Governator sucks Governator is fucking awesome and Mike can sing, as he's proven multiple times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraGreenDay Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 What now! Page own I think Are We The Waiting is a breathtaking song. It brings me to tears every time I listen to it, especially the BIAB version. My favorite line is "The rage and love, story of my life" Agree with you in every word, i love that song especially in that concert!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 86 was written about how the band was 'banished' from the Gilman scene. Billie Joe said it hit him on a night when he showed up at Gilman to see a punk show and a friend (or former friend) working the door told him "What the hell are you doing here?" Then later that night another friend who had keys to club went in with Billie after hours to drink inside and hang out. Billie says that they went into the girls bathroom to mess around and he discovered graffiti on the wall that said "Billie Joe must die." He says that at that moment he realized that the old days really were gone. That almost made me cry a bit. Just imagine seeing that with your name in a bathroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 That almost made me cry a bit. Just imagine seeing that with your name in a bathroom. Exactly. It's heartbreaking. I probably would have trashed the place after seeing that. Good to see that Green Day came out as the bigger men in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Exactly. It's heartbreaking. I probably would have trashed the place after seeing that. Good to see that Green Day came out as the bigger men in that situation. Yeah, y'know I would have been scared off my ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 86 was written about how the band was 'banished' from the Gilman scene. Billie Joe said it hit him on a night when he showed up at Gilman to see a punk show and a friend (or former friend) working the door told him "What the hell are you doing here?" Then later that night another friend who had keys to club went in with Billie after hours to drink inside and hang out. Billie says that they went into the girls bathroom to mess around and he discovered graffiti on the wall that said "Billie Joe must die." He says that at that moment he realized that the old days really were gone. I got most of the story right then, just not the details. See, I love punk rock but that's where the scene has it's problems. Damn elitists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I got most of the story right then, just not the details. See, I love punk rock but that's where the scene has it's problems. Damn elitists. The elitism is so fucking stupid. I hope that the scene where I live never falls into stupid politics. I want it to be about having fun and playing good music. Have you ever seen SLC Punk? The main character points out all the philosophical problems with punk and it's hilarious. You have not seen it I cannot recommend it enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I got most of the story right then, just not the details. See, I love punk rock but that's where the scene has it's problems. Damn elitists. Quite ironic really, when part of the punk ideology was going against elitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 The elitism is so fucking stupid. Have you ever scene SLC Punk? The main character points out all the philosophical problems with punk and it's hilarious. You have not seen it I cannot recommend it enough. I've heard of it but I haven't seen it. Is it a movie? I've always thought punk should be about the music, first and foremost. If a kid listens to Black Flag, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, etc., then let 'em in. They listen to punk, they should be welcomed with open arms. The other stuff (politics, patched jackets, activism, etc.) is cool, sure, but the main focus should be the music. Green Day being alienated because they actually made a punk album that became popular...? That's stupid. Who cares if it's "mainstream"? It's still punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I've heard of it but I haven't seen it. Is it a movie? I've always thought punk should be about the music, first and foremost. If a kid listens to Black Flag, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, etc., then let 'em in. They listen to punk, they should be welcomed with open arms. The other stuff (politics, patched jackets, activism, etc.) is cool, sure, but the main focus should be the music. Green Day being alienated because they actually made a punk album that became popular...? That's stupid. Who cares if it's "mainstream"? It's still punk. I've always said that without the music punks are just hippies, and punks hate hippies! and yeah its a great movie. Here's a scene from it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI0jixcWYzM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Quite ironic really, when part of the punk ideology was going against elitism. Like I said earlier, I love punk rock, but some parts of it are so hypocritical. I should stop now before I go off on another rant about how the scene has slowly deteriorated into some anti-mainstream, twisted, hypocritical elitist society. (but the music is so good ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I've heard of it but I haven't seen it. Is it a movie? I've always thought punk should be about the music, first and foremost. If a kid listens to Black Flag, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, etc., then let 'em in. They listen to punk, they should be welcomed with open arms. The other stuff (politics, patched jackets, activism, etc.) is cool, sure, but the main focus should be the music. Green Day being alienated because they actually made a punk album that became popular...? That's stupid. Who cares if it's "mainstream"? It's still punk. SLC is one of the best movies I've ever seen, while at the same time ridiculously hard to watch. It stars Matthew Lillard as the main guy, a punk who won't grow up. It is worth a watch to say the least. It's on Netflix, now GO TO IT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I've always said that without the music punks are just hippies, and punks hate hippies! and yeah its a great movie. Here's a scene from it: Nice! I'll have to watch it sometime. I've also been meaning to watch American Hardcore (I think that's the name of it). Too many movies, so little free time Without the music, punks would just be depressed anarcho-activists that stick safety pins through their face for fun. It's not so appealing without Johnny Rotten screaming at you to do it. SLC is one of the best movies I've ever seen, while at the same time ridiculously hard to watch. It stars Matthew Lillard as the main guy, a punk who won't grow up. It is worth a watch to say the least. It's on Netflix, now GO TO IT!! But I don't have Netflix Is it illegally on YouTube? Because that I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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