16 In Your Coffeemaker Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I utterly hate and try to ignore American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, I skip them and go right to enjoying the trilogy more. I think the only track I've enjoyed is Letterbomb from American Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYoFantaFanta Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 True. The song (and video especially) American Idiot caught my attention, but Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is what kept it, and the reason I bought the album. And look where I am now. BOBD is very special to me in that way - it's like my reason for being a Green Day fan, for being as big of a MUSIC fan in general. I owe it a lot. On top of that though, it's just a fantastic song. Dark and meaningful and masterfully written. I also agree with you guys. Boulevard of Broken Dreams is my favorite song ever, American Idiot comes close though. This is unpopular here, Nimrod was my least favorite GD album, and Warning is my second least favorite GD album. I love them, I just like the others better. I liked the trilogy including Nightlife and See You Tonight and I think Let Yourself Go is the best song on the trilogy with a badass sound and straightforward lyrics. I probably have more but I can't think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I utterly hate and try to ignore American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, I skip them and go right to enjoying the trilogy more. I think the only track I've enjoyed is Letterbomb from American Idiot. what don't you like about AI and 21CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Troublemaker is the worst song Billie has ever written lyrically. In my opinion, it isn't. It's frank and tongue-in-cheek (and it's my favourite song from ¡UNO!). I will say, however, I still cringe at Oh Love, and Stay the Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Lo green Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 ....Trecoolisnotaverygoodlivedrummer. There! I said it! I just think his tempo is all over the place. Just look at every time they try to play East Jesus Nowhere... I do think that he is a good studio drummer though, and a great character in this band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strayheart1219 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 ....Trecoolisnotaverygoodlivedrummer. There! I said it! I just think his tempo is all over the place. Just look at every time they try to play East Jesus Nowhere... I do think that he is a good studio drummer though, and a great character in this band. OUCH. Uhm.... 21CB is my least favorite album out of every single one. And I do believe that 1039 and Kerplunk are their best albums IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Stacy Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think we should rename this thread Hipster Green Day Opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadair Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Fuck Time would have fit better as a Foxboro Hot Tubs song saved for their next album or as a single. Not that I mind it being a Green Day song as more people will know it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 In my opinion, 21st Century Breakdown is probably my favourite album, ever. However, here's the caveat. The problem with 21st Century Breakdown it's a very, very well done album yet it's such a strong contrast to everything else that Green Day has done before, it doesn't belong with the others. So what I tend to do with that album (to put in a rather crude and Top Gear-esque analogy), is say, that it's cool. It's cooler than Dookie, it's cooler than American Idiot. It's so cool, you have to put it in its own freezer and push it to the other side of the room to separate the special one from its brethren, as to prevent the others from tainting its glory. In short, I think it's an amazing album. It's just not a typical Green Day album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think Know Your Enemy is a pretty good song, in the way it's meant to be, a catchy sing-along rock anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTH Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 ....Trecoolisnotaverygoodlivedrummer. There! I said it! I just think his tempo is all over the place. Just look at every time they try to play East Jesus Nowhere... I do think that he is a good studio drummer though, and a great character in this band. i don't know if it is just tres fault, but they sometimes have heavy problems to keep one tempo.... something else: props for playing old stuff live. but why the fuck do you play going to pasalaqua, 2000ly, j.a.r. orr stuck with me slower live than on the record??? i am a big fan of speeding things up live (thats what green day usually did) so that just freaks me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPhil Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Green Day has never been a pop punk band to me. Blink-182 is pop punk and they're radically different from Green Day IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I see the trilogy covers as the opposite of narcissistic. To me a band willing to have fun taking photos together and make silly tongue in cheek album covers out of them is a band demonstrating that they're up for a laugh and that they don't take themselves too seriously. Some awful humourless po-faced "artistic" poses to show how important and deep they are would be narcissistic. But poking fun at themselves with some silly photos of their mugs and some simple, bright artwork (which also fits nicely with the retro sound and at times lurid lyrics of the albums with it's retro look and lurid colours) isn't at all imo. Can I hug you? I want to hug you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musso_kn Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Green Day has never been a pop punk band to me. Blink-182 is pop punk and they're radically different from Green Day IMO. Interesting...how do you view them, then? On a separate note, I've tried as hard as I can to enjoy Amy, but it is a really underwhelming and boring song. The lyrics during the verses are well written, but the chorus is just poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Green Day has never been a pop punk band to me. Blink-182 is pop punk and they're radically different from Green Day IMO. ehhhh...the sound is definitely different, but both bands essentially play punk pop (although Green Day is rooted in the 70's sound and Blink is rooted in the SoCal skate punk sound). Green Day has never been marketed as bubblegum as Blink has been though, so I think that can definitely effect how they're perceived. But both bands have legitimate punk rock roots, so it doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 In my opinion, 21st Century Breakdown is probably my favourite album, ever. However, here's the caveat. The problem with 21st Century Breakdown it's a very, very well done album yet it's such a strong contrast to everything else that Green Day has done before, it doesn't belong with the others. So what I tend to do with that album (to put in a rather crude and Top Gear-esque analogy), is say, that it's cool. It's cooler than Dookie, it's cooler than American Idiot. It's so cool, you have to put it in its own freezer and push it to the other side of the room to separate the special one from its brethren, as to prevent the others from tainting its glory. In short, I think it's an amazing album. It's just not a typical Green Day album. I completely agree with you. Which is probably why I don't really like that album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerplunk!!! Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 The Network > FBHT , when i first heard the hot tubs this was my opinion 100% but now i'm not so sure. I enjoyed the network alot more when their music was released but FBHT songs defenitly seem to have more longevity. One Of my lies > Basket Case, only making thing comparision due to the verses having identical chords, if One of my lies had been recorded for Dookie i think it would be considered a high point of the album as it is very meaningful but Basketcase would of probably done better as a single either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aahhhh Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 i don't know if it is just tres fault, but they sometimes have heavy problems to keep one tempo.... something else: props for playing old stuff live. but why the fuck do you play going to pasalaqua, 2000ly, j.a.r. orr stuck with me slower live than on the record??? i am a big fan of speeding things up live (thats what green day usually did) so that just freaks me out. he definitely has some issues with Let Yourself Go, too. that always starts really fast and slows down by the end. and i definitely agree with you re: playing songs slower live than on the records. it really makes no sense and ends up sounding kind of lifeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Can I hug you? I want to hug you. You can! In smiley form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is one of the best songs Billie-Joe has ever written. Doesn't get enough credit amongst Green Day fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think "Know Your Enemy" is a good song if you realize it's intended to be annoying and repetitious. It's showing you how shallow Christian's "revolution" is—he's rebelling against authority with no real plans, goals, or motive. Really, it's no different than any other piece of political propaganda—heavy on repetition and catchiness, light on actual ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGulyan Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is one of the best songs Billie-Joe has ever written. Doesn't get enough credit amongst Green Day fans. I completely agree. It gets overlooked a lot because of how mainstream and popular it got, so a lot of people dismiss it for some reason, when truth is, it is one of the/their greatest songs ever. This song is what utterly captured me and brought me in. Everything about it is just perfection, from the guitar delay to the evocative lyrics to the ridiculous chord progression and power of the outro. And the music video just enhances it all. Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is simply incredible. If that song doesn't move you or make you feel something.......I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I have had sex to "Blood Sex and Booze." And I don't care if people think it's a bad song and not sexy. It's sexy. The end. Well, I can't say I love it that much but I do think it's woefully underrated, especially the bassline. It's in my top five GD songs. Perfectly catchy; I kind of wish it was on Nimrod, though. Much as I love Warning as an album, I think it would have done OK on Nimrod and maybe gotten more exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I don't care about your age (well I'm hardly older than you so I can't criticise) but surely you have to establish whether or not Green Day's earlier music is punk according to the genre of as a whole, rather than what was fashionable in California at the time? You're basically saying that because the songs on 39/Smooth and Kerplunk! resembled the sound of, say, the early Clash (a punk band) more than the sound of the Dead Kennedy's (a different type of punk band), it's not punk. I may not yet be as knoweldgeable as you in regards to the evolution of Punk music, but from logical standpoint your argument seems a little flawed. I was in a bad mood last night so I wanna say sorry for acting like a dick. I don't usually do that (I think). Anyway, Green Day's early music has always just seemed a lot more poppy to me than other punk bands. I dunno. It doesn't really matter at all though so whatever Either way, they're not punk today and their sort of punk phase is all in the past. I apologize for my flawed logic, if that's what happened. I think, maybe, the point I was trying to make is that others in their scene were judging them by the other bands in the scene? I don't know. That others in that scene were comparing Green Day to bands like DK and Op Ivy because those were the bands that were around during that time period in that area, and that's why they weren't seen as punk in their scene. I'm not quite sure what I was getting at though, sorry. green day don't have the attitude of punks. somebody who appears in "the voice" is far from being punk. doesn't mean they don't have some ideals left.... however the music until nimrod (including that album) was clearly punk. if you say it wasn't, then you deny the bands i listed were punk. just because everyone thought music has to be hardcore to be punk, that doesn't mean it is true. if somebody would make the same sort of music chuck berry did, it would be still rock'n'roll. and if green day had this old british punk sound in the 90s (of course something was different, they had their own modern sound) it is still called punk. you can't just say the sound of one time was that genre and when a band plays a similiar sound it suddenly isn't the same genre anymore? I'm just going to refer you to my response above this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think Green Day has written better songs that Boulevard of Broken Dreams, like Good Riddance.But yes, Boulevard is their most amazing song.It's catchy and beautiful at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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