Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[The Snark]

The beginning of Extrordinary Girl. It's like jungle/tropical/safari shit. WHY DID YOU DO THIS, GREEN DAY? Also, I like Kerplunk's Welcome to Paradise better than Dookie's.

Yes and yes. I never understood the beginning of Extrordinary Girl.

[Mar]

Brain Stew is one of the worst songs.

Minority is a really repetitive song which i wouldn't care if i never heard it live again.

Yeah, I'm gonna need these two songs to not be played at my show

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i find tre's antics during interviews a bit tiring and redundant and completely not hilarious and he is 40

I like Tre, he can be funny, he's an amazing drummer and I find his Instagram very cool. But I honestly don't think I could stand to be in a small room with him for more than five minutes because his antics are just too much and are just ~shocking~ for the sake of being shocking.

The recording quality of Awesome as Fuck kind of sucks ass in my opinion.

And Bullet In A Bible has bad video production. Aside from the awesome documentary segments, the filters are annoying and the fact that the entire set wasn't used is incredibly disappointing. That's not how a band should do a live record when taken from one venue.

AAF has a better setlist but it's difficult to really appreciate it due to its poor quality.

I dislike people who dislike Brutal Love because "it's dull/boring".

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Brutal Love is an AMAZING song for many reasons, including this note. However, I'd say it goes on too long; it could be about four minutes and still pack a punch, I think. By the end, I just kind of want it to end.

I don't like it when Mike sings lead (like in Homecoming and American Eulogy). I don't think he has a very good singing voice, unless he's doing backing harmonies.

I feel like a horrible person now! But I still love Mike

Words cannot express my love for Mike, but I really don't enjoy listening to him sing. Something about his voice just kind of irks me.

Oh, another one. I don't really like When I Come Around. I even turn the station when it comes on the radio sometimes.

.....Im really not fussed about welcome to paradise.

-When I Come Around is overrated.

-Troublemaker and Loss of Control are dull.

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

Regarding the Nightlife debate ... I applaud the band for being willing to try something different, especially when you have a lot of fans who frown upon anything that strays from a guitar/bass/drum sound (I mean, I'm far from the biggest fan of rap, but let's be mature and accept that there may be rap and R&B songs that are well-done). However, it was an experiment that didn't work. In terms of the grimy depravity the song tries to represent, I think Dark Side of Night is more effective at conveying that.

I feel like I had a lot of opinions when I saw this thread ... but I'm a dumbass with no life so I read the whole fucking post and I have since forgotten everything I wanted to say.

[Unholy Sister of Grace]

The beginning of Extrordinary Girl. It's like jungle/tropical/safari shit. WHY DID YOU DO THIS, GREEN DAY?Also, I like Kerplunk's Welcome to Paradise better than Dookie's.

I always liked the Extraordinary Girl intro. I've noticed that it's been getting a lot of dislike. True, it doesn't seem to blend in with the song at all, but I still like to hear it.

[Ritz]

I wish Green Day would read this thread and at least get rid of the eyeliner.

[jordanguitar10]

21st Century Breakdown is one of their best because it's put together as one album, as opposed to just a compilation of songs that have no correlation with each other.
With the trilogy, Green Day have definitely lost it. There were maybe 5 songs that were Green Day-worthy.
Green Day aren't punk. They're amazing, but they're not punk

[musso_kn]

http://www.punknews.org/article/49920/podcast-the-week-of-december-4-2012

Skip forward to about 13 minutes. The dude basically has a rant about how self important the band has become. He's clearly one of those people who just lost interest after American Idiot, but he has a point. There was no need to release QUATRO! It's just a little narcissistic, just like the album artwork itself

[musso_kn]

Green Day is not as punk as it gets. They are pop-punk. They have the attitude of punks. But only a few of their songs (minus Insomniac. The whole album was punk) were actually punk music, according to their scene, in their decade.

I don't care about your age (well I'm hardly older than you so I can't criticise) but surely you have to establish whether or not Green Day's earlier music is punk according to the genre of as a whole, rather than what was fashionable in California at the time? You're basically saying that because the songs on 39/Smooth and Kerplunk! resembled the sound of, say, the early Clash (a punk band) more than the sound of the Dead Kennedy's (a different type of punk band), it's not punk. I may not yet be as knoweldgeable as you in regards to the evolution of Punk music, but from logical standpoint your argument seems a little flawed.

[Clockwise]

http://www.punknews.org/article/49920/podcast-the-week-of-december-4-2012

Skip forward to about 13 minutes. The dude basically has a rant about how self important the band has become. He's clearly one of those people who just lost interest after American Idiot, but he has a point. There was no need to release QUATRO! It's just a little narcissistic, just like the album artwork itself

There was also no need to record three albums or even one album. They're just doing what they want. Plenty of bands release documentaries, I think calling them narcissistic for it is a stretch. The album covers on the other hand, you may be right about that one, haha. But I like em'.

[musso_kn]

There was also no need to record three albums or even one album. They're just doing what they want. Plenty of bands release documentaries, I think calling them narcissistic for it is a stretch. The album covers on the other hand, you may be right about that one, haha. But I like em'.

Yeah, but first there was Heart like a Handgrenade. That was a documentary that worked because it was interesting to see the production of a complex rock opera like American Idiot. Then, there were a load of TV specials just before 21st Century Breakdown came out. Now, this. It just feels a little excessive that every time one of their albums comes out nowadays they have to make a film explain the amazing workings that went on behind the record, especially when that record (or records, since I really mean the trilogy here) are rather disappointing. Still love them, but it's not their best.

[porksoda]

Awesome as Fuck was disappointing. Somebody mentioned it, but the quality of it sucks. I was hoping for some of the charming live banter to be included. And I will never get over that Holiday and American Idiot came from concerts that weren't in the US. That and I don't know why they cut out the intro to Going To Pasalacqua. So many things disappointed me with what should have been a great live CD.

[Clockwise]

Yeah, but first there was Heart like a Handgrenade. That was a documentary that worked because it was interesting to see the production of a complex rock opera like American Idiot. Then, there were a load of TV specials just before 21st Century Breakdown came out. Now, this. It just feels a little excessive that every time one of their albums comes out nowadays they have to make a film explain the amazing workings that went on behind the record, especially when that record (or records, since I really mean the trilogy here) are rather disappointing. Still love them, but it's not their best.

I get what you mean now, yeah. I just think they know there's a big interest in those things. I love making of documentaries, and wish there were more. So QUATRO is amazing to me. Also, I have a more favorable opinion of the trilogy than you do, so that pretty much validates QUATRO to me more than it would to you. Also, it seems to me that this time they didn't say the material was groundbreaking, but they just emphasized how much fun they had while making it, and that's really what QUATRO shows.

[Cob]

Yeah, but first there was Heart like a Handgrenade. That was a documentary that worked because it was interesting to see the production of a complex rock opera like American Idiot. Then, there were a load of TV specials just before 21st Century Breakdown came out. Now, this. It just feels a little excessive that every time one of their albums comes out nowadays they have to make a film explain the amazing workings that went on behind the record, especially when that record (or records, since I really mean the trilogy here) are rather disappointing. Still love them, but it's not their best.

The documentaries have nothing to do with explaining why an album is "amazing" or not. Heart Like A Handgrenade began as a simple project that was supposed to showcase Green Day in the studio writing their next album. The creator of the film stated that he witnessed the band create 3 albums (Money Money 2020, Cigarettes and Valentines, unreleased Christmas songs) before they wrote American Idiot, and because American Idiot was the album that was released that's what was presented in the film.

The documentaries are there to show the fans what goes on behind the scenes, a lot of bands do this and release it regardless of how an album is received or released (The Foo Fighter's documentary Back and Forth came out before their album Wasting Light did, Blink-182's self titled album was documented and released well before the album came out, and Metallica's A Year and A Half in the Life of Metallica was released before The Black Album was, for example). Quatro was originally slated to drop with Dos, but it was pushed back as sometimes documentaries go through very lengthy editing process. If the band wants to let us in on the writing and recording process, then so be it. I seriously, as a Green Day fan, cannot see why that would even be considered to be a bad thing.

I also find it really silly that you would call the album covers narcissistic. They're just presenting themselves and their band. I guess Van Halen are narcissists for putting themselves on the cover of Van Halen I and The Beatles are narcissists for putting themselves on several of their album covers.

[Akshat]

I don't find anything wrong with the eyeliner.It's their fashion choice. They never put it before american idiot.They just want to symolize the "I dont give a fuck about what you think about how I look" attitude.

P S.-Mcr also puts it.That guy Gerard totally reminds me of Billie.

About the trilogy being released in the first place, I think it's the best decision they took.A lot of talent is needed to release three albums in a gap of hardly a month.Okay there were songs which some of us did not like.But again, it's just our opinion.What we don't like does not mean the other person hates it too.For example I hate Makeout Partybut many people like it.Similarily I really love The Forgotten(I compare it to Boulevard of Broken Dreams) but people hate it because of it's pace.We should be happy that Green Day has even given us so much in the first place.

21st Century Breakdown was a good album, but it was forced.It had it's moments.It rather sucks that they released the worst song of that album as the lead single.I would have preferred East Jesus Nowhere.

Awesome as Fuck was also good.But yes, dissappointing compared to Bullet In the Bible.But come on, why are we judging documentries? They are not meant to be judged.They are just about how the band recored their stuff.

About Green Day being Punk: To be honest, half of us don't even know what 'punk' is.We just hear other people saying that Green Day are not Punk.But News Flash Guys:Green Day became famous as A Punk Rock Band. And even if it's pop-punk, we should feel happy that they developed a gentre of their own, something unique.Pop-Punk is also Punk,.Except for Warning, all their albums can be classified as Punk albums.Warning was something a bit different.But it was good.

Correction:By documentries, I am talking about Heart Like a Handgrenade and Cuatro

[The Disappearing Boy]

I think that if I met Tre (the person, not the album) in real life, he would annoy me after a while.

[Anja]

I'm a fan of Oh Love

[DTH]

You are telling me to listen to old punk bands? I really don't think you know who you're talking to. That is the punk I listen to. I'm comparing Green Day with the punk of their time, in their scene. Not the punk before them, after them, or in another part of the country or world. I'm comparing them to the 1980s, California, Berkeley, 924 Gilman punk rock scene. Not the CBGBs scene. Not the London scene of the 1970s. California. 1980s. Gilman Street.

I'm really not sure what the hell my age has to do how valid my opinions on punk rock are. I listen to it. I read books on it. I'm involved in my local scene. I know what I'm talking about for the most part. Not everything, of course, I'm not the punk God. But I know punk rock better than some others out there.

Green Day is not as punk as it gets. They are pop-punk. They have the attitude of punks. But only a few of their songs (minus Insomniac. The whole album was punk) were actually punk music, according to their scene, in their decade.

I'm done with this conversation. Green Day's state of punk only makes people mad and this gets us nowhere. However, I am extremely disappointed that the fact I am 15 determines my reliability according to my favorite genre of music. Good day to you all.

green day don't have the attitude of punks. somebody who appears in "the voice" is far from being punk. doesn't mean they don't have some ideals left....

however the music until nimrod (including that album) was clearly punk. if you say it wasn't, then you deny the bands i listed were punk. just because everyone thought music has to be hardcore to be punk, that doesn't mean it is true. if somebody would make the same sort of music chuck berry did, it would be still rock'n'roll. and if green day had this old british punk sound in the 90s (of course something was different, they had their own modern sound) it is still called punk. you can't just say the sound of one time was that genre and when a band plays a similiar sound it suddenly isn't the same genre anymore?

[DTH]

you missed the point.

[Tubbie Head]

Tre started recording with them on Kerplunk (recorded in 1991), it's all Tre drumming on there. The Sweet Children EP that's stuck on the end of it was recorded in 1990, that's John drumming.

LOL! Of course, Tré even sings in Kerplunk... I have no idea why I thought he was only officially with them on Dookie

I think that if I met Tre (the person, not the album) in real life, he would annoy me after a while.

Yeah, me too, he's always reminded me of people I don't usually get along with. But y'know, he's fun to watch in the interviews and such

[Guest]

Billie's voice is a little too high on Amy and the vocal effects don't sound very good on a song like that.

Troublemaker is the worst song Billie has ever written lyrically. Loss Of Control may take 2nd place.

[Todd]

Just to put it out their not sure if it's an unpopular opinion or not but i like the Sweet Children EP! Not sure why theirs any hate for it? its not like its widely different to anything else they did before Dookie, the recording quality's a little lower but i kinda think that just adds a bit of character!

Thank you. This thread seriously offends me. And those songs are from 87 and older. They hadn't been playing them in 1990, and they thought it would be fun to record their older songs. They did it during tour, on an extremely low budget. Just for fun. You guys should be grateful you got it free on Kerplunk, otherwise you'd have to buy an original pressing to own those songs. This EP goes for serious bucks

[Akshat]

I find Green Day as punk-rock as any other band in Punk-Rock History.Just that their style is a bit different.Now Green Day became such a big thing that people made this 'style' of theirs with a new gentre.I don't know.Maybe that's how it is.

P.S-That guy in This is 40 whom Billie called Tom Salleck called Green Day punk Rock, not pop-punk.He said "so punk rock of them"", not "so pop-punk of them" .I know my reasoning sucks :/

[musso_kn]

The documentaries have nothing to do with explaining why an album is "amazing" or not. Heart Like A Handgrenade began as a simple project that was supposed to showcase Green Day in the studio writing their next album. The creator of the film stated that he witnessed the band create 3 albums (Money Money 2020, Cigarettes and Valentines, unreleased Christmas songs) before they wrote American Idiot, and because American Idiot was the album that was released that's what was presented in the film.

The documentaries are there to show the fans what goes on behind the scenes, a lot of bands do this and release it regardless of how an album is received or released (The Foo Fighter's documentary Back and Forth came out before their album Wasting Light did, Blink-182's self titled album was documented and released well before the album came out, and Metallica's A Year and A Half in the Life of Metallica was released before The Black Album was, for example). Quatro was originally slated to drop with Dos, but it was pushed back as sometimes documentaries go through very lengthy editing process. If the band wants to let us in on the writing and recording process, then so be it. I seriously, as a Green Day fan, cannot see why that would even be considered to be a bad thing.

I also find it really silly that you would call the album covers narcissistic. They're just presenting themselves and their band. I guess Van Halen are narcissists for putting themselves on the cover of Van Halen I and The Beatles are narcissists for putting themselves on several of their album covers.

It's not just because their faces are on the cover. Warning's artwork is my favourite, and that has pictures of all three members on the cover and in the album sleeve. However, those photographs appeared...very sincere and down to earth. I remember the group talking about how they created the photos while messing around on their iPhones and some other things that just came across as a little self indulgent.

[AlexGulyan]

Oh, and PEACEMAKER is one of the best songs the band has written. Really underrated.

[Satan]

Troublemaker is the worst song Billie has ever written lyrically.

i think that was done on purpose. the song is supposed to be kinda sarcastic and humorous.

[Hermione]

It's not just because their faces are on the cover. Warning's artwork is my favourite, and that has pictures of all three members on the cover and in the album sleeve. However, those photographs appeared...very sincere and down to earth. I remember the group talking about how they created the photos while messing around on their iPhones and some other things that just came across as a little self indulgent.

I see the trilogy covers as the opposite of narcissistic. To me a band willing to have fun taking photos together and make silly tongue in cheek album covers out of them is a band demonstrating that they're up for a laugh and that they don't take themselves too seriously. Some awful humourless po-faced "artistic" poses to show how important and deep they are would be narcissistic. But poking fun at themselves with some silly photos of their mugs and some simple, bright artwork (which also fits nicely with the retro sound and at times lurid lyrics of the albums with it's retro look and lurid colours) isn't at all imo.

I wish Green Day would read this thread and at least get rid of the eyeliner.

Pretty sure Green Day aren't interested in getting fashion tips from random teenagers or changing their appearances to please childish fans who care about looks far too much