klytaemnestra Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 It's fine in moderation, but the majority of an album? NO! That's the reason why I love The Black Parade and Danger Days, but am indifferent to half of 3 Cheers and most of I Brought You My Bullets (MCR)nah mate, that's cos you don't have properly functioning ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Like I said, the only flaw with Brutal Love is that the melody isn't original. I expected better from them. As for The Forgotten, well recorded doesn't instantly mean it's a good song. Justin Bieber is well produced, but it's still shit. You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd. And I disagree like hell on Nightlife and Kill The DJ, but I guess that's opinion. When you record that much material in a few months, it can only be rushed. I would have loved if they'd stayed in studio for another month, and just beat the kinks out of the songs, and work on the overall sound a bit more. There's a reason they're remixing the guitars now And I really don't think the sun shines out Green Day's arse. I'm probably one of the last people on here who could be accused of it. It's been pretty well established that critics are just as hit and miss with picking up good music as anyone else. And an average rating of 66/100 is barely a glowing review. How is non-originality a flaw?Lol you're acting like this is the first time green day has ripped off a song.Parts of Children of the grave by black sabbath could be heard in Jesus of Suburbia,Fuck Time has elements of Teenagers by MCR.I know these were only parts but then they did rip some sounds.There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you give the credit to the original artist.They credited Sam Hooke for Brutal Love.Also,it's a fucking beautiful song and they paid a good tribute to sam hooke for that. lol I understand what you're trying to say but come on, The Forgotten is nowhere close to a Justin Beiber song.It is infact a good song.Not only Twilight, it was used in CSI too.It is the only song from Tre that charted outside US, even when it was not released as a single.It reminds me of Boulevard of Broken Dreams tbh, I know many people won't agree with me on that.But it's a good song and a good way to end a trilogy.I remember people commenting on it's video about how trilogy could be Green Day's way of bidding goodbye after listening to it, it was so deep, I don't think the time spent in the studio has anythign to do with quality.They recorded Dookie in fucking 15-20 days(maybe less).But it turned out to be fine. They have been in the industry for 25 years.You and me weren't even born when they started.I'm sure they have a better idea about what's right for their music than us They must have thaught 10 times before giving the trilogy that guitar sound.They are probably remixing it for the fun of it.It's not like they will remix the trilogy and release it all over again. Yeah I know critics suck.But the reviews are not AS bad as some people are making them apprear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I wouldn't call Brutal Love a "rip off". They deliberately and openly used the melody and gave credit for it. It's more of a tribute/quote than a rip off. Same with Waiting's melody sounding just like Downtown, they stuck the lyric "Downtown...." in there as a little tip of the hat to it. There's plenty of artists who go even further by actually sampling other songs, if all songs featuring samples aren't rip offs then Brutal Love hardly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumb shiny bitch Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 GREEN GAY genuine lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 How is non-originality a flaw?Lol you're acting like this is the first time green day has ripped off a song.Parts of Children of the grave by black sabbath could be heard in Jesus of Suburbia,Fuck Time has elements of Teenagers by MCR.I know these were only parts but then they did rip some sounds.There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you give the credit to the original artist.They credited Sam Hooke for Brutal Love.Also,it's a fucking beautiful song and they paid a good tribute to sam hooke for that. lol I understand what you're trying to say but come on, The Forgotten is nowhere close to a Justin Beiber song.It is infact a good song.Not only Twilight, it was used in CSI too.It is the only song from Tre that charted outside US, even when it was not released as a single.It reminds me of Boulevard of Broken Dreams tbh, I know many people won't agree with me on that.But it's a good song and a good way to end a trilogy.I remember people commenting on it's video about how trilogy could be Green Day's way of bidding goodbye after listening to it, it was so deep, I don't think the time spent in the studio has anythign to do with quality.They recorded Dookie in fucking 15-20 days(maybe less).But it turned out to be fine. They have been in the industry for 25 years.You and me weren't even born when they started.I'm sure they have a better idea about what's right for their music than us They must have thaught 10 times before giving the trilogy that guitar sound.They are probably remixing it for the fun of it.It's not like they will remix the trilogy and release it all over again. Yeah I know critics suck.But the reviews are not AS bad as some people are making them apprear. Non-originality is a flaw for me It's just personal opinion, but if Green Day had come up with a different melody for Brutal Love I'd like it a lot more. A creative songwriter like Billie shouldn't have to borrow melodies. The Forgotten definitely does remind me of BOBD, but not in a good way. Like with 21 Guns, it's an attempt to write a ballad to cash in on the success of Boulevard, except the 21 Guns was successful while The Forgotten is a cheesy by the books number with vague lyrics that could be about anything. They only recorded about 15 songs for Dookie, while they recorded or at least attempted 3 times that number for the trilogy. That amount of material getting put together isn't easy. They did the same for 21st CB, and they were in the studio almost twice as long as the were for the trilogy. The tones are off on the guitars throughout the trilogy, song structure is suspect in a lot of places, and the lyrics overall are quite weak when compared to any other Green Day album. Maybe a reissue is their best bet, after they flopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 No he doesn't have to borrow melodies, but maybe he wanted to. Putting a new spin on something old is creative just as coming up with something entirely new is. And it's not like they rely on it for all their songs. They did the same for 21st CB, and they were in the studio almost twice as long as the were for the trilogy. Nope, they said they had enough material for three albums with 21st CB. Over 40 songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Nope, they said they had enough material for three albums with 21st CB. Over 40 songs. That's what I meant, maybe it was badly phrased My point is they spent twice as long in the studio with the same amount of material, and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 That's what I meant, maybe it was badly phrased My point is they spent twice as long in the studio with the same amount of material, and it shows. Ahh I see. But I disagree since I love the Trilogy . 21st CB was the most complex music they'd ever attempted and was also quite a difficult and cathartic writing process so it naturally would take longer, whereas with the Trilogy they were going for simple music and it came more spontaneously. I think both ways worked for their respective albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Boo on you for hating on the lyrics to The Forgotten. I like them WAY more than BOBD and 21 Guns lyrics because they're more vague and therefore more open to personal interpretation. I suppose Stairway To Heaven is popular for that reason too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akshat Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 GREEN GAY R SELLOUTS AND THEY STEAL MUSIC GOD Y WOULD ANY1 LISTEN TO GREENGAY!??!!?!!!!111!!?//!! That escalated quicklyNon-originality is a flaw for me It's just personal opinion, but if Green Day had come up with a different melody for Brutal Love I'd like it a lot more. A creative songwriter like Billie shouldn't have to borrow melodies. The Forgotten definitely does remind me of BOBD, but not in a good way. Like with 21 Guns, it's an attempt to write a ballad to cash in on the success of Boulevard, except the 21 Guns was successful while The Forgotten is a cheesy by the books number with vague lyrics that could be about anything. They only recorded about 15 songs for Dookie, while they recorded or at least attempted 3 times that number for the trilogy. That amount of material getting put together isn't easy. They did the same for 21st CB, and they were in the studio almost twice as long as the were for the trilogy. The tones are off on the guitars throughout the trilogy, song structure is suspect in a lot of places, and the lyrics overall are quite weak when compared to any other Green Day album. Maybe a reissue is their best bet, after they flopped. I think THAT particular melody was the best for the lyrics to the song.But then that's your opinion It's cool to borrow melodies.Many artists borrow melodies from Green Day too.It's how music works. Only a few songs were 'weak' as you would descrie them.But maybe they were meant to be that way. Anything is possible regarding the remixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 How is non-originality a flaw?Lol you're acting like this is the first time green day has ripped off a song.Parts of Children of the grave by black sabbath could be heard in Jesus of Suburbia,Fuck Time has elements of Teenagers by MCR.I know these were only parts but then they did rip some sounds.There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you give the credit to the original artist.They credited Sam Hooke for Brutal Love.Also,it's a fucking beautiful song and they paid a good tribute to sam hooke for that. lol I understand what you're trying to say but come on, The Forgotten is nowhere close to a Justin Beiber song.It is infact a good song.Not only Twilight, it was used in CSI too.It is the only song from Tre that charted outside US, even when it was not released as a single.It reminds me of Boulevard of Broken Dreams tbh, I know many people won't agree with me on that.But it's a good song and a good way to end a trilogy.I remember people commenting on it's video about how trilogy could be Green Day's way of bidding goodbye after listening to it, it was so deep, I don't think the time spent in the studio has anythign to do with quality.They recorded Dookie in fucking 15-20 days(maybe less).But it turned out to be fine. They have been in the industry for 25 years.You and me weren't even born when they started.I'm sure they have a better idea about what's right for their music than us They must have thaught 10 times before giving the trilogy that guitar sound.They are probably remixing it for the fun of it.It's not like they will remix the trilogy and release it all over again. Yeah I know critics suck.But the reviews are not AS bad as some people are making them apprear. There is a video for this on youtube... it is called "Will We Ever Run Out of New Music" and it was uploaded by Vsauce. GREEN GAY R SELLOUTS AND THEY STEAL MUSIC GOD Y WOULD ANY1 LISTEN TO GREENGAY!??!!?!!!!111!!?//!! For a moment I thought Bengay... but then Bengay doesn't do music... OH the PAIN from listening to GREEN GAY! I need some of this. Wait a minute... after a search there is actually a GREEN GAY on the internet.. it has to do with prawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 The Forgotten definitely does remind me of BOBD, but not in a good way. Like with 21 Guns, it's an attempt to write a ballad to cash in on the success of Boulevard, except the 21 Guns was successful while The Forgotten is a cheesy by the books number with vague lyrics that could be about anything. But because The Forgotten isn't even a single. Just a Twilight soundtrack one, but not even a proper one. And I like The Forgotten way more than BOBD and 21 Guns. Sounds waaaaaaaaayy better to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackInABox86 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Green Day have how many studio albums with their own original work? and people STILL complain about their lack of originality? lol wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Might I add that Green Day has in fact ripped THEMSELVES off as well? Deadbeat Holiday and American Eulogy is a great example. And I don't care, because those are two amazingly good songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Green Day have how many studio albums with their own original work? and people STILL complain about their lack of originality? lol wtf Oh oh to play devil's advocate what was the last album that had completely non ripped off music Nimrod? Thats 6 albums ago! Lol I dont see the big deal about the brutal love borrowing from Sam Cooke or any other songs that sound like past songs there so many songs in exsistance but so few music notes it's only bound to be repeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Psycho Sexy Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I don't like Green Day's version of My Generation. I mean it's not bad but I don't "feel" it like original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackInABox86 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I just don't see how it's fair music like drum n bass, dubstep, dance and pop can sample straight from a song and it's perfectly fine and normal, but if a band sounds like they've ripped off another piece of music all hell breaks loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I don't like Green Day's version of My Generation. I mean it's not bad but I don't "feel" it like original It was on Kerplunk... I never listen to it expecting a mind blowing cover. On the other hand, their cover of A Quick One While He's Away sounds amazing, they did The Who justice there.I just don't see how it's fair music like drum n bass, dubstep, dance and pop can sample straight from a song and it's perfectly fine and normal, but if a band sounds like they've ripped off another piece of music all hell breaks loose? I actually think that's a good thing. I gives the impression that bands, and rock music in general, is held to a higher standard, or regarded differently than other genres. I'd rather have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karma1215 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 A friend of mine who is a Green Day fan says that she's turned off by Billie's obsessive swearing... I'm indifferent about it because its his concert and he can pretty much say what ever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 A friend of mine who is a Green Day fan says that she's turned off by Billie's obsessive swearing... I'm indifferent about it because its his concert and he can pretty much say what ever he wants. Does she mean at concerts, or on Green Day's songs? If its songs... There are many bands that are worse in that respect. Oh, and I'm guessing she doesn't listen to rap at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I don't like Green Day's version of My Generation. I mean it's not bad but I don't "feel" it like original Same, I think it lacks the energy of the original. BUT it wasn't even recorded for Kerplunk, it was just part of the Sweet Children EP they quickly recorded on the spur of the moment in 1990 because they happened to find themselves with a bit of studio time when they were on tour. Nothing that amazing was going to be recorded in that situation. And it is quite amusing to hear their silly take on it even if it's not great, I imagine they had fun recording it at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Psycho Sexy Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Does she mean at concerts, or on Green Day's songs? If its songs... There are many bands that are worse in that respect. Oh, and I'm guessing she doesn't listen to rap at all I watched Bullet in a Bible in living room when my mother came in when Bille fucked stage during King for a Day before Always look on bright side of life. That was really bad experience Same, I think it lacks the energy of the original. BUT it wasn't even recorded for Kerplunk, it was just part of the Sweet Children EP they quickly recorded on the spur of the moment in 1990 because they happened to find themselves with a bit of studio time when they were on tour. Nothing that amazing was going to be recorded in that situation. And it is quite amusing to hear their silly take on it even if it's not great, I imagine they had fun recording it at least. They had fun for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karma1215 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Does she mean at concerts, or on Green Day's songs? If its songs... There are many bands that are worse in that respect. Oh, and I'm guessing she doesn't listen to rap at all She was talking about concerts... the I-Heart thing in particular. She literally took the time to count the number of swears that came out of his mouth during the I- heart festival... I told her she needed a new hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 She was talking about concerts... the I-Heart thing in particular. She literally took the time to count the number of swears that came out of his mouth during the I- heart festival... I told her she needed a new hobby. In that case, I wouldn't call it obsessive 1) iHeart was an exception - that's wasn't truly BJ 2) he usually swears live because he knows his crowd, and how to control it. He plays to his demographics, and the fact that its a rock concert - it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellJohnson225 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I used to hate Burnout and Having A Blast but now i love them. I think Nuclear Family is the best song on Uno! Baby Eyes is the best on Dos! And X-Kid is the best on the trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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