AnonyWolf Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 What the fuck is up with all this HATE? I'm surprised most of you are even HERE on this site! 1) Dookie is incredible. I think it's a little overrated, but awesome and relatable to everything. 2) Insomniac is a great album, in fact it was my first Green Day album, banging bass. 3) Warning? Fucking awesome. Seriously. The song warning is rhythmically badass. 4) 21st century is great for when you're mad at the times we are in. 5) Green Day are NOT going to have a 20 year old sound anymore, so just live with it. 6) so what if the trilogy sounds a little off? They wanted garage rock and that's what they did. Where's the love??? Green Day are amazing in all of their albums. There's a difference between holding ''hate'' and having a different opinion than someone else. There's no documented rule of fandom which requires you to like every single thing X does. I'm a fan of Weezer, and I find Raditude to be one of their worst albums. Does that make me not a fan at that point? I'm a fan of WWE, and I hate their current product. Does that make me not a fan anymore? No. It's not mandatory that you like everything they do. And it doesn't mean you're ''giving hate'' when you say you don't. In reference to the points you gave, 1 through 4 is nothing more than your opinion, and it's neither wrong nor right. As for number 5, judging by the sound of the trilogy alone, it's not like Green Day was ever trying to emulate their old self. And, as far as I've read, no one was claiming that they were/should. The meanings, sound, instrumentation, production, and lyricism prove that. They know their limits at this point, and did their best to run with it. And, no, they weren't trying to make just garage rock. TRE! (especially Brutal Love, X-Kid, Miss You, Amanda, and The Forgotten) is my proof. They wanted to make music that sounded good to them. They released what sounded good to them. And it wasn't all garage rock. Unless, you know, you consider Amy such a garage rock number. Where's the love? It's filled to the brim right here in this thread. just because a song has more than one "part" to it doesn't mean it's trying to be jesus of suburbia. that's literally the only similarity between the two other than the fact they're both green day songs. you don't have to like drb but that's a stupid argument. You mean to tell me that a five part song consisting of little mini-songs (each one slightly differing in genre than the last) that they were too lazy to fully finish, each part being around 1-2 minutes in length with a somewhat central theme and centered around the same key (deviating every so often when applicable), ISN'T trying to emulate Jesus Of Suburbia? It's nothing more than a six minute, staler-than-before recreation of the track. Only this time, there's no Jesus to sing about, and you get to save 3 minutes of your time. [/OPINION] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 You mean to tell me that a five part song consisting of little mini-songs (each one slightly differing in genre than the last) that they were too lazy to fully finish, each part being around 1-2 minutes in length with a somewhat central theme and centered around the same key (deviating every so often when applicable), ISN'T trying to emulate Jesus Of Suburbia? It's nothing more than a six minute, staler-than-before recreation of the track. Only this time, there's no Jesus to sing about, and you get to save 3 minutes of your time. [/OPINION] What is the theme of DRB though? What theme can anyone derive from "CARRIED AWAY" x 426916494572? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyWolf Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 What is the theme of DRB though? What theme can anyone derive from "CARRIED AWAY" x 426916494572? The theme is that something is being carried away. OF COURSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Minority22.... this IS the Unpopular Green Day Opinions thread. I agree with him to an extent. Even though this is an unpopular opinions thread, I do question at times if some of the frequent posters like anything the group does. clearly they do, but damn do some people on here have a lot of unpopular opinions that actually don't seem to be so unpopular. *shrugs* I guess I'm not nit-picky enough. Outside of the first 2 albums, I have no complaints about this group really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Green Day aren't particularly talented musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 What the fuck is up with all this HATE? I'm surprised most of you are even HERE on this site! 1) Dookie is incredible. I think it's a little overrated, but awesome and relatable to everything. 2) Insomniac is a great album, in fact it was my first Green Day album, banging bass. 3) Warning? Fucking awesome. Seriously. The song warning is rhythmically badass. 4) 21st century is great for when you're mad at the times we are in. 5) Green Day are NOT going to have a 20 year old sound anymore, so just live with it. 6) so what if the trilogy sounds a little off? They wanted garage rock and that's what they did. Where's the love??? Green Day are amazing in all of their albums. I agree pretty much man. I don't really like this thread, but I still check on it for the occasionally interesting debate that occurs. I just personally don't like all the negativity related to my favorite group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I agree pretty much man. I don't really like this thread, but I still check on it for the occasionally interesting debate that occurs. I just personally don't like all the negativity related to my favorite group. The thread isn't meant to be a "bash the band" type thing, it's for members to voice any opinion, positive or negative, that doesn't hold a majority. For example, that See the Light is your favorite song of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 The thread isn't meant to be a "bash the band" type thing, it's for members to voice any opinion, positive or negative, that doesn't hold a majority. For example, that See the Light is your favorite song of all time. I know what it's meant to be, but it often doesn't feel that way for me and others I'd assume. Also, it really repeats itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I'm not sure how unpopular this really is, but I saw the American Idiot musical on Wednesday and I absolutely loved it, even if it wasn't the best compared to other famous musicals. To be honest, it made me remember how much I actually adore the band and how much they mean to me, even though I don't listen to them very often nowadays. I think favorite son or even governator would've fit the American idiot story better than holiday does. It's about war, I don't think it had anything to do with the whole Jesus story til the musical. Fuck. Considering American Idiot was supposed to be their extremely political album and it was written, recorded, and released during the whole 9/11, George Bush-era, I think it belongs perfectly. If JoS is living as a punk rock political riot-y kind of guy in 2001, 2002, etc., that song fits in perfectly and sets the entire backdrop of his beliefs and attitude on the world around him. I know what it's meant to be, but it often doesn't feel that way for me and others I'd assume. Also, it really repeats itself. I agree. It does get a little repetitive in here sometimes but...eh. What are you gonna do, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyChunks Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 The best fans are the ones who hold their favorite band to ultra-high standards. Hence this thread, which in of itself is evidence that we are great fans of one of the best bands of our generation, if not all time. That's my take on this thread. I think it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 The best fans are the ones who hold their favorite band to ultra-high standards. Hence this thread, which in of itself is evidence that we are great fans of one of the best bands of our generation, if not all time. That's my take on this thread. I think it's great. I agree. I analyze and criticize every single band I like. Being able to have a critical discussion of something you really love can be really great. This thread has also opened my eyes to a few things, you know? Like why some people dislike some of my favorite songs, why this song I dislike is consider extremely important even if I think it's boring as hell, etc. It's a good discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoopy Doo Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I think "See the Light" is a pretty good song, and it's taken me about four years to fully appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIGD13 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Green Day aren't particularly talented musicians. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insomniac45 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I think "See the Light" is a pretty good song, and it's taken me about four years to fully appreciate it. I personally love See The Light. I think it's catchy as hell, had single potential, and is a great album closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Why? Because none of them are particularly talented musicians? I kinda summed up my entire point in that one sentence dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I never particularly liked Jesus of Suburbia and St. Jimmy. BUT, ironically I started liking both now that I don't relate to them (at least temporarily) because everything's fine. Fuck logic. But when I was in the mood to relate to JoS I just couldn't understand it. JoS' verses are weird, they just have like no major connection. Each verse is gramatically sepparated fromt he rest, but them all give you the same sensation. It's very hard for me to explain. I find that kinda makes the song special now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Was gonna like this but thinking about it I kind of disagree… I mean, yes, on their instruments they're not exactly out of this world but they're great at the other aspects of being a musician. For example live performances, songwriting, etc. So yeah, I mostly agree but not in those areas. Their songwriting isn't exactly very complex. Someone feel free to correct me, but have they ever left 4/4 time? Billie Joe is undoubtedly a fine lyricist, but after the 150th song consisting of only power chords an obvious pattern emerges One could argue that musicianship and performance are completely separate entities. Take Enya for example, an incredibly talented musician who's never performed live. Green Day are exceptional performers, but I'm not sure if I'd class that as anything to do with musicianship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Someone feel free to correct me, but have they ever left 4/4 time? A tiny bit of Jesus of Suburbia, which is surely the exception that proves your rule. They are no Genesis, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 A tiny bit of Jesus of Suburbia, which is surely the exception that proves your rule. They are no Genesis, that's for sure. Yeah, I knew there must have been something. It always amazes me though, because Tré is a very talented drummer, and Mike has serious bass chops. Musically I think Billie Joe holds them back a lot. He's the weakest musician of the three by a great distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I don't consider it's necessary for them to be songwriting geniuses to be good musicians. Catchy music it's also fine. But I don't really care about complexity. They are my favorite band mostly for their morals, which I mostly agree with and form a very good model for me to follow. Their lyrics are very good to me. And they play their own instrument. They also write their own songs, unlike (too) many artists today. They work hard, and give us everything they can. That's the most important thing in a band, to me. That as long as I love their music, which I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Yeah, I knew there must have been something. It always amazes me though, because Tré is a very talented drummer, and Mike has serious bass chops. Musically I think Billie Joe holds them back a lot. He's the weakest musician of the three by a great distance. Indeed, there is something lacking creatively when your idea of muscial experimentation is to get a two-bit girl rapper in to record the worst hip hop song in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musso_kn Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Their songwriting isn't exactly very complex. Someone feel free to correct me, but have they ever left 4/4 time? Billie Joe is undoubtedly a fine lyricist, but after the 150th song consisting of only power chords an obvious pattern emerges . I'd still argue that the songwriting is what carries the band. It's all basis power chords, yes, but the melodies and hooks are (for the most part!) varied, original and irresistibly likeable. And while none of them are anything more than competent musicians, Billie Joe is completely on par with the rest of them. Maybe even better. At lot of his rhythm guitar parts are quite impressive. Or at least highly memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 And while none of them are anything more than competent musicians, Billie Joe is completely on par with the rest of them. Maybe even better. At lot of his rhythm guitar parts are quite impressive. Or at least highly memorable. I really can't agree with this in any way. Billie Joe is a painfully average guitarist. It says a lot about his rhythm guitar abilities when the most complex guitar riff he's ever written is from It's Fuck Time, and that's just a standard blues progression. Whereas if you listen to Mike on 16 (about 3 minutes in is best, Tré is also excellent on this, but the sound isn't great)... Or Tré in this vid... ...it becomes quite obvious that both of them are highly skilled musicians, who are very limited by Billie Joe's creative control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I dunno, I think Mike is a good, solid bass player and he does his part well in Green Day, but I've never been impressed by his skill or creativity. Even when he's had his freedom to do so. If you listen to the bassline in Minority, although that one is highly underrated, you'll see his creativeness is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I'd still argue that the songwriting is what carries the band. It's all basis power chords, yes, but the melodies and hooks are (for the most part!) varied, original and irresistibly likeable. And while none of them are anything more than competent musicians, Billie Joe is completely on par with the rest of them. Maybe even better. At lot of his rhythm guitar parts are quite impressive. Or at least highly memorable. I agree entirely. Fuck Time is hardly his most impressive rhythm. How he can write so many songs that sound different and still stay in 4/4 time with power chords is just AMAZING. I think anyone who can do that earns the genius commendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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