Cath Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 DRB is closer to Homecoming than to JOS. i'm not saying they are similar thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 "Jesus of Suburbia" is a suite. "Dirty Rotten Bastards" is a medley. Every suite is a medley but not every medley is a suite. There is a major difference. "Dirty Rotten Bastards" isn't meant to be a suite, it's not supposed to be "Homecoming" or "A Quick One While He's Away". It's supposed to be the Abbey Road B-Side (which is outstanding). Again, a suite: A medley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQkm3kV_WbE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 now i KNOW you aren't saying that i'm not a true fan of green day because i don't think homecoming is the essential song... i love it, especially getting to hear tre and mike, but jesus of suburbia to me is just the be all and end all of everything they've ever done and ever will do. it's the heart of the whole american idiot album, plus homecoming's lyrics don't even hold a candle to jos lyrics. I ain't sayin nothin Hannah Homecoming's lyrics are definitely more plot based - like hitting fast-forward to go from Wake Me Up to Whatsername. Still, Homecoming (part one) and that last "Nobody likes you" are pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Haha agreed, I don't really think they are either but they tend to get compared a lot because Billie said something along the lines of it being this era's JoS Billie didn't say that. It was Rob Cavallo. Billie described the song as an Abbey Road B-Side, a description which is dead on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J of Suburbia Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 did he? well...his opinions on his own songs are always weird anyway, we're talking about the guy who thinks 99 revolutions is one of the best songs he's ever written Yeah, I forget which interview but he definitely said something along those lines from what I remember 99 revs isn't a bad song but it's not even close to some of the best in my opinion... Edit: Not Billie, Rob Cavallo Billie didn't say that. It was Rob Cavallo. Billie described the song as an Abbey Road B-Side, a description which is dead on. Right! Sorry about that, but yeah I don't think that the comparison should have been made at all between JoS and DRB anyways, but that's just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Billie didn't say that. It was Rob Cavallo. Billie described the song as an Abbey Road B-Side, a description which is dead on. I think DRB is most similar to Before the Lobotomy with how it starts with one section, picks up the metal in the middle, and returns to the start at the end (despite DRB having a few more sections)Yeah, I forget which interview but he definitely said something along those lines from what I remember 99 revs isn't a bad song but it's not even close to some of the best in my opinion... Edit: Not Billie, Rob Cavallo Right! Sorry about that, but yeah I don't think that the comparison should have been made at all between JoS and DRB anyways, but that's just me It's a very easy comparison to make for someone who wants the trilogy to get as much attention,and sales, as possible. Make fans think a song is like JoS, and you're golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I think DRB is most similar to Before the Lobotomy with how it starts with one section, picks up the metal in the middle, and returns to the start at the end (despite DRB having a few more sections) Before the Lobotomy is more of a suite than a melody though. Tempo changes don't dictate whether or not a song is similar to DRB or JOS. The thematic intent does. Before the Lobotomy is composed of two different pieces that fit together to tell a story and introduce a character. DRB is a bunch of small song snippets that transition into each other without anything really unifying them outside of key. There is nothing else in Green Day's catalog that you can compare DRB to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 X-Kid is the best song Green Day have made, I honestly have listened to that song about 700 times and still haven't got tired of it. Just so much passion and emotion in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Hall Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Trilogies not good, definitely waaaay to overproduced, also another negative opinion is they are huge sellouts, they let Glee cover their song, a songs in a fucking Twilight soundtrack and they charge way too much for concerts, I know concert prices in general are high these days but for like £60-£70 for Emirates Stadium? Better be good. One un-sellout thing they did though was play Reading for free last year, gotta give them credit for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J of Suburbia Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I think DRB is most similar to Before the Lobotomy with how it starts with one section, picks up the metal in the middle, and returns to the start at the end (despite DRB having a few more sections) It's a very easy comparison to make for someone who wants the trilogy to get as much attention,and sales, as possible. Make fans think a song is like JoS, and you're golden. I never thought about it that way (structured similar to the way Before The Lobotomy is) but I just listened to them both and I agree, those are much more comparable. Good point, I got pretty excited about getting to hear DRB right after I saw the interview. I still love the song though, just don't think they should be compared because I feel like they're lyrically and musically very different songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Trilogies not good, definitely waaaay to overproduced, also another negative opinion is they are huge sellouts, they let Glee cover their song, a songs in a fucking Twilight soundtrack and they charge way too much for concerts, I know concert prices in general are high these days but for like £60-£70 for Emirates Stadium? Better be good. One un-sellout thing they did though was play Reading for free last year, gotta give them credit for that. people need to stop complaining about that twilight thing. Mike explained it and there's nothing to worry about. and if you compare with artists today, their tickets are not that expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Hall Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 What did Mike say about it? Must've missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J of Suburbia Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 people need to stop complaining about that twilight thing. Mike explained it and there's nothing to worry about. and if you compare with artists today, their tickets are not that expensive. Agreed, plenty of artists allowed their songs to be on the Twilight soundtrack and I never got why it was such a big deal. If anything I think it was nice that they didn't make a whole fuss about it being below them or something and not having it be on the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 What did Mike say about it? Must've missed that don't know exactly but something like they were honored to be on it because twilight have always chosen really great songs for the soundtrack. they didn't care about the movie at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yeah, that's a big part of it for me. There's just something I don't get about that song's structure. I mean, DRB's defining characteristic (in the midst of all the other material on the trilogy) is it's structure, right? This is the reason it stands out from the rest of the tracks on the albums, the reason it's so different and appealing, etc. But the thing is, if the structure is so important to the song, then why does it seem like everything was thrown together spontaneously? It's as if somewhere down the line, the band decided that picking a song that relies so heavily on it's structure for success doesn't actually need to have a well-planned structure at all. That decision just feels so weird to me. It's like trying to write a symphony and going hang on, let's not write it, and just see how it all goes on the day. A total mess is what the outcome is. Apart from that (and this is going to sound really awful but I am a die-hard fan I promise) I think that the lyrics are uninventive and most feel like a re-hash of old material, also the "calling all believers" section sounds like a Christmas song I can't quite put my finger on. It just doesn't fit all year round! It's supposed to be that way. That's what it is, pieces of songs that were put together and work together. Just like *drumroll please* the Abbey Road B-Side. Homecoming would be the exact same way if it wasn't unified by it's lyrics. It's NOT supposed to be a meticulously thought out piece like Jesus of Suburbia or any of the suites on 21st Century Breakdown. It's different and it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I love how featuring on the Twilight soundtrack is a good reason to call them sell-outs, not signing to a major record label and recording albums for the last 20 years. Yeah i pointed that out not long ago said technically they sold out the day they signed to Reprise lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Green Day will sell out the day that they make music solely for the paycheck. They have yet to show me this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theultimaxgamer Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I hate wow! that's loud, its so boring and repetitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdlyon Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Kinda going back to the other conversation, but I think the most comparable song to Dirty Rotten Bastards Green Day has done is the title track to 21st Century Breakdown. Not exactly a sweeping epic like Jesus of Suburbia, but has plenty of tempo changes and different sections. In fact, the songs are even kinda similar structure-wise, with both starting off with a build-up (DRB with the "yeah" and 21CB with those piano notes), an upbeat first section, a faster and more punk-like middle section, and a slow and "epic" sounding finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris. Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 who the fuck hates hey-oh??? they probably hate hugs too tbh I hate hugs, but I'm totally fine with they hey-oh's. It's as Lady Nightlife said, when you're sitting at home watching BIAB or something it can be boring, but they feeling when you're there, live, in the concert, is completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iScottie Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Yeah, that's a big part of it for me. There's just something I don't get about that song's structure. I mean, DRB's defining characteristic (in the midst of all the other material on the trilogy) is it's structure, right? This is the reason it stands out from the rest of the tracks on the albums, the reason it's so different and appealing, etc. But the thing is, if the structure is so important to the song, then why does it seem like everything was thrown together spontaneously? It's as if somewhere down the line, the band decided that picking a song that relies so heavily on it's structure for success doesn't actually need to have a well-planned structure at all. That decision just feels so weird to me. It's like trying to write a symphony and going hang on, let's not write it, and just see how it all goes on the day. A total mess is what the outcome is. Apart from that (and this is going to sound really awful but I am a die-hard fan I promise) I think that the lyrics are uninventive and most feel like a re-hash of old material, also the "calling all believers" section sounds like a Christmas song I can't quite put my finger on. It just doesn't fit all year round! I know what you mean. Remember though, the reason that American Idiot got so much acclaim and was actually able to be written was because the band decided to give up the traditional verse - chorus - bridge structure. With that being said, I think there's three parts to Dirty Rotten Bastards. Part 1: Intro (Yeah!) Verse (Calling all demons) Chorus (Here's to all God's losers) Outro (Yeah!) Bridge to Part 2 (We're too old to be misbehaved) Part 2: Intro (Instrumental) Verse 1 (All fucked up beyond intervention) Pre-Chorus (I've got the urge) Chorus (Julianna Homicide) Verse 2 (I'm chopping a line of my best friend's ashes) Pre-Chorus (I've got the urge) Chorus (Julianna Homicide) Solo Outro (Well California's burning to the ground) Part 3: Intro (Instrumental) Reprise 1 (Calling all demons) Reprise 2 (Here's to all God's losers) Outro (We're carried away) With that being said, I'm sure many people can argue the structure differently, but this is how I always view it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I know what you mean. Remember though, the reason that American Idiot got so much acclaim and was actually able to be written was because the band decided to give up the traditional verse - chorus - bridge structure. With that being said, I think there's three parts to Dirty Rotten Bastards. Part 1: Intro (Yeah!) Verse (Calling all demons) Chorus (Here's to all God's losers) Outro (Yeah!) Bridge to Part 2 (We're too old to be misbehaved) Part 2: Intro (Instrumental) Verse 1 (All fucked up beyond intervention) Pre-Chorus (I've got the urge) Chorus (Julianna Homicide) Verse 2 (I'm chopping a line of my best friend's ashes) Pre-Chorus (I've got the urge) Chorus (Julianna Homicide) Solo Outro (Well California's burning to the ground) Part 3: Intro (Instrumental) Reprise 1 (Calling all demons) Reprise 2 (Here's to all God's losers) Outro (We're carried away) With that being said, I'm sure many people can argue the structure differently, but this is how I always view it. California Burning is a own section (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 California Burning is a own section (imo) I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iScottie Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 California Burning is a own section (imo) I mean, I can see that, but it just doesn't seem right to me having it as its own separate section. It sounds like a bridge and it isn't long enough, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 JoS is like an emotional roller coaster but DRB is just a fun song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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