Jon Benjamin Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I know it's not directly note for note the same, but it was just extremely similar. Trust me, I'm playing them both correctly. Alright I believe you, there's definitely some parts in their catalogue that's closer though. I think there might be 2 guitars on the intro of 8the ave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoopy Doo Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 "21 Guns" is completely skippable. Along with "21 Guns," "Know Your Enemy" gets on my nerves every time I hear it, and I skip it if I can. I think putting AI on Broadway was a great idea. I don't think Billie Joe is the most attractive GD member (not calling him ugly). WMUWSE shouldn't have been a single. I prefer the Kerplunk! version of "Welcome to Paradise." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Why does everyone hate Christian's Inferno? I don't mind it, and the chorus is pretty catchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federica Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 - The only song by Green Day that I really hate is "Extraordinary Girl". - If I had to make a list of the albums "Dookie" would be the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 "21 Guns" is completely skippable. Along with "21 Guns," "Know Your Enemy" gets on my nerves every time I hear it, and I skip it if I can. I think putting AI on Broadway was a great idea. I don't think Billie Joe is the most attractive GD member (not calling him ugly). WMUWSE shouldn't have been a single. I prefer the Kerplunk! version of "Welcome to Paradise." All of these are reasonable and fairly common except I don't understand your reasoning behind WMUWSE not being a single. It went to #6 and was hugely successful, therefore it was a good idea for a single. Singles aren't meant for Green Day fans, they're meant for everyone else. Just because we all love Letterbomb (the general "we", not saying you do...) doesn't mean it would have been a good idea for a single, as it probably would have bombed. (pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothing_wrong_with_me Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 All of these are reasonable and fairly common except I don't understand your reasoning behind WMUWSE not being a single. I don't know why he thinks it shouldn't be a single but I think it too, because in my opinion this song is just too personal for Billie. When it's played on the radio, the majority of people who listen to it doesn't know the meaning behind its lyrics and I actually heard some people making fun of this song on the radio because they were discussing the title of the song and they obvioulsy didn't know nothing about it and its meaning. And I hate when someone is making fun of such a personal and sad song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I don't know why he thinks it shouldn't be a single but I think it too, because in my opinion this song is just too personal for Billie. When it's played on the radio, the majority of people who listen to it doesn't know the meaning behind its lyrics and I actually heard some people making fun of this song on the radio because they were discussing the title of the song and they obvioulsy didn't know nothing about it and its meaning. And I hate when someone is making fun of such a personal and sad song. Yeah, that sucks, but hey... I don't know the meaning behind 90% of the songs I listen to (the good ones, not the ones on the radio). if I did, I'm sure I'd respect them even more (or lose respect for them ) but ain't nobody got time for that. Besides, the whole point of being an artist, from the Green Day perspective, is being brave and exposing your vulnerabilities, which Billie Joe did in writing and releasing the song. It's out there. That's like saying Good Riddance shouldn't have been a single because it has been COMPLETELY misappropriated (even worse than WMUWSE, IMO)... nah, I'm fine with stupid people thinking it's a good idea to play a breakup song at their weddings. It's still a good choice for a single. I can't agree with your logic although I completely understand why it bothers you (and obviously WMUWSE is more tragic than Good Riddance, but it's the same principle) Yes you will. Billie will KNOW there is someone not "Heyyyyy-ohhhhh"-ing and he will find you. Right? Even when I'm sitting in the nosebleeds Billie Joe manages to instill in me this terror that he KNOWS I'm not doing exactly what he's demanding of me in that moment and he will never forgive me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clean Cut Asshole Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Jesus, reading the last few pages, am I the only one that prefers the old stuff to the new stuff and pretty much loves everything before 21CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I most certainly did not.I just have one thing to say:Espionage is a Grammy quality song.If you got anything against that,kill yourself for all I care.The fact that it got nominated means it's grammy quality.End of story. Suicide jokes are not funny. Please do not say things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Jesus, reading the last few pages, am I the only one that prefers the old stuff to the new stuff and pretty much loves everything before 21CB? No man. As much as I love American Idiot, Dookie will forever be my favorite Green Day record. But, like I've said earlier, I think their best album is Warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clean Cut Asshole Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 No man. As much as I love American Idiot, Dookie will forever be my favorite Green Day record. But, like I've said earlier, I think their best album is Warning. Okay man, that's good to know. It just hurts me to see so many people in here trashing on my favs like 1,039, Kerplunk, Dookie or Insomniac. I know this is a place for unpopular opinions, but there's so many people trashing on those records. Warning's definitely one of their best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Okay man, that's good to know. It just hurts me to see so many people in here trashing on my favs like 1,039, Kerplunk, Dookie or Insomniac. I know this is a place for unpopular opinions, but there's so many people trashing on those records. Warning's definitely one of their best! 1,039 and Kerplunk are two of my favorite Green Day records. I think people, in general, don't understand the style of music/production quality so they take it as a "ew, this sucks" sort of thing. The songs are great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clean Cut Asshole Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 1,039 and Kerplunk are two of my favorite Green Day records. I think people, in general, don't understand the style of music/production quality so they take it as a "ew, this sucks" sort of thing. The songs are great though. My favs are the first 4, especially Insomniac and 1,039. Yeah, that's probably why, but I love the production of 1,039! Production-wise, that's their most punk album (the lyrics aren't that punk, but the sound is). But their most-punk album overall is Insomniac. I guess people on here just don't appreciate punk music, which is fucking stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 My favs are the first 4, especially Insomniac and 1,039. Yeah, that's probably why, but I love the production of 1,039! Production-wise, that's their most punk album (the lyrics aren't that punk, but the sound is). But their most-punk album overall is Insomniac. I guess people on here just don't appreciate punk music, which is fucking stupid. I have to disagree with the compilation not having "punk lyrics." There's not such thing as punk lyrics. The Descendents were always singing about food, fishing, coffee, and girls. The Ramones too. Lots and lots of girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clean Cut Asshole Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I have to disagree with the compilation not having "punk lyrics." There's not such thing as punk lyrics. The Descendents were always singing about food, fishing, coffee, and girls. The Ramones too. Lots and lots of girls. Maybe I should re-state that, it doesn't have what is usually seen as "punk lyrics", that's what I meant. I didn't mean that the lyrics weren't punk at all, just lyrics that aren't too associated with punk. It's got lyrics that would throw a band in the category "pop punk". Sorry for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 1,039 and Kerplunk are two of my favorite Green Day records. I think people, in general, don't understand the style of music/production quality so they take it as a "ew, this sucks" sort of thing. The songs are great though. I don't think there is much to "understand" about the production style, it's shoddy. They had next to no money going into studio so it's fine, but those songs definitely deserve more love than that. Every live version sounds much better. Personally I just don't like the songwriting in general. It's clearly early Green Day, before BJA really caught his stride, but I just don't dig it at all. The first two have always been my least favorite. Actually, the first 3 now that I think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I guess people on here just don't appreciate punk music, which is fucking stupid. It's hardly Green Day fans' faults that 90% of their music isn't "real punk music" and therefore Green Day fans don't NEED to appreciate "punk music" to be fans of GREEN DAY. It's definitely something the band is aware of, too. Green Day fans are more likely to be fans of Blink 182 than the Sex Pistols, and that's not just a generational thing, it's a sound thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I don't think there is much to "understand" about the production style, it's shoddy. They had next to no money going into studio so it's fine, but those songs definitely deserve more love than that. Every live version sounds much better. Personally I just don't like the songwriting in general. It's clearly early Green Day, before BJA really caught his stride, but I just don't dig it at all. The first two have always been my least favorite. Actually, the first 3 now that I think about it. What I meant by "understand" is that it seems many fans don't seem to grasp the concept of low-production quality and why it occurred. Of course the production quality was terrible. Some of those songs were written in Larry's bedroom. I think some people just don't get the philosophy Green Day lived by at the time. It doesn't matter how shitty it sounds as long as you like the music. A lot of punk records, quality-wise, sound horrible. It's in the culture, or was in the culture. Now, if you don't like the songwriting in general, I see no issue with that. Not everyone's going to like it. I've just heard a lot of arguments saying, "Well, I'd like it if the production wasn't so bad." That, in my opinion, is not a valid reason to dislike the record or song. Disliking the lyrics, instrumentals, etc., is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clean Cut Asshole Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 It's hardly Green Day fans' faults that 90% of their music isn't "real punk music" and therefore Green Day fans don't NEED to appreciate "punk music" to be fans of GREEN DAY. It's definitely something the band is aware of, too. Green Day fans are more likely to be fans of Blink 182 than the Sex Pistols, and that's not just a generational thing, it's a sound thing. That might be true, but I didn't mean being a fan of punk music, just at least appreciating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 It's hardly Green Day fans' faults that 90% of their music isn't "real punk music" and therefore Green Day fans don't NEED to appreciate "punk music" to be fans of GREEN DAY. It's definitely something the band is aware of, too. Green Day fans are more likely to be fans of Blink 182 than the Sex Pistols, and that's not just a generational thing, it's a sound thing. Appreciating punk music to be fans of early Green Day is recommended. I don't really want to get into a Green Day punk debate again though because that always ends up with people screaming at me over the Internet and calling me an elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 It's hardly Green Day fans' faults that 90% of their music isn't "real punk music" and therefore Green Day fans don't NEED to appreciate "punk music" to be fans of GREEN DAY. It's definitely something the band is aware of, too. Green Day fans are more likely to be fans of Blink 182 than the Sex Pistols, and that's not just a generational thing, it's a sound thing. But Blink is also a punk band? Green Day's fans traverse all types of rock sub genres no matter the generation or the sound. You're evident of that, not all Green Day fans like Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 That might be true, but I didn't mean being a fan of punk music, just at least appreciating it. Yeah, there's a difference. I don't particularly care for rap, but I can appreciate the culture and talent of a good rap artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 What I meant by "understand" is that it seems many fans don't seem to grasp the concept of low-production quality and why it occurred. Of course the production quality was terrible. Some of those songs were written in Larry's bedroom. I think some people just don't get the philosophy Green Day lived by at the time. It doesn't matter how shitty it sounds as long as you like the music. A lot of punk records, quality-wise, sound horrible. It's in the culture, or was in the culture. Now, if you don't like the songwriting in general, I see no issue with that. Not everyone's going to like it. I've just heard a lot of arguments saying, "Well, I'd like it if the production wasn't so bad." That, in my opinion, is not a valid reason to dislike the record or song. Disliking the lyrics, instrumentals, etc., is. Well in their (and my own) defense it's really hard to get into a record that sounds as bad as 1,039 does. Kerplunk is notably better, but still piss poor. A lot of punk records sounded bad because of low funds. I'm sure that many would have elected to go into better studio had they been able to (as many did once they gained those funds). I'm really not a fan of the "punk" culture either, at least not most interpretations of it that I see. But yea, my main issue is with the songs themselves. If the record was recorded better I might be able to hear more in those tracks, but they feel so amateur. I feel most wouldn't even care about them if Green Day hadn't made Dookie, if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Appreciating punk music to be fans of early Green Day is recommended. I agree with that, but it's definitely an acquired taste and probably something that comes only from first loving Green Day the band. I would never give Kerplunk to a friend as a means to "get into Green Day" because they would think it sounds like shit. Maybe if that friend was a "punk," but even so, as mentioned before, in that case I would give them Insomniac because Kerplunk is very poppy, the only thing punk about it is the simplicity of the chords and the production quality and ethic behind it, which may not necessarily be obvious in the music itself. I would say it's thanks to the shitty sounding-ness of the early GD records that I became a fan of other California punk bands though. Green Day has long been considered the gateway drug to punk, and I think that's a great thing. But even if they're the gateway drug, most people's first time 'using' is with Dookie or AI anyway And sometimes those alone are enough to inspire a kid to pick up a Ramones record or whatever. It's cyclical. I started appreciating Kerplunk and 1039 a lot more once I became a bigger fan of The Offspring and Bad Religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Appreciating punk music to be fans of early Green Day is recommended. I don't know about this either. I listen to lot's of "punk" music, yet still don't like those two albums. I guess I'm the oddball here, I just don't consider 1,039 to be that "punk" ^o^'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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