Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[musso_kn]

Billie's rapping in Nightlife is waaay better than any rapping Eminem could put out.

Am I missing something? Billie doesn't rap at all in Nightlife: that's Lady Cobra, isn't it?

[Hermione]

Billie's rapping in Nightlife is waaay better than any rapping Eminem could put out.

Billie doesn't even rap in Nightlife.

But yeah, if anyone wants to talk about Eminem head to the Eminem thread please (or continue this discussion via PM as Liam suggested).

[JackInABox86]

i am going to hit you.

I'd like that.

[Ashlee Cool.]

So this might be a particularly unpopular opinion, but I'm going to roll with it because that's the point of this thread:

Whenever Green Day is inducted to the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame, whether that be next year or in the future, I think that Jason White should be inducted with them. In the likely even that he is inducted with them, I absolutely KNOW that there is going to be a shitstorm, which is why I bring it up.

I don't think he's given enough credit!

And i agree! he's been with them for a long while now. He's apart of the greenday family.

Not everyone will agree thou

[laurie_black]

i can tell you, though, that he made a dodgy comment regarding adrienne and fuck time. i did lose a little respect for him after that, but i still respect him as an artist and ultimately as a person, because he doesn't use overly violent imagery in his songs that is, frankly, unnecessary.

I was curious and wondered what you meant by talking about a “dodgy” or “creepy” quote about Fuck Time and Adrienne because usually what Billie says about Adrienne in interviews is very lovely. I've searched my mind and I assume you mean the following quote (taken from a German interview done by “Einslive” sometime last year, I translated it - in context – I'm sorry that it turned out rather long):

Einslive: But don’t you belong to the very rich people against whom Occupy and other movements are directed?

Billie Joe: That’s true. But I can identify with that dissatisfaction – even if Occupy itself seems too uncontrolled and blind to me. I mean we had a big group in Oakland, and in the beginning I thought that was important and good. But then the whole thing became a reservoir for pseudo-anarchists who only wanted to destroy Oakland. And all I could answer to that was: “Isn’t this town already punished enough?” I mean why would you want to destroy a little shop by throwing stones through the shop window and plundering it? That has nothing to do with the original idea. And that’s why my view on it was: “Throw you stones through the windows of Starbucks and McDonald’s, that’s OK, but leave the little people alone. Better try to channel your energy in a positive sense, for example by having sex.

Einslive: An approach that is expressed on “Uno” in songs full of testosterone like “Fuck Time” or “Stay The Night”?

Billie Joe: Why not? Especially “Fuck Time” is just a big, stupid song – like “A-Wop-bop-a-loo-mop-a-wop-bam boom”. It moves in the tradition of Little Richard. But instead of translating it into code and sugarcoating it, we just say: “It’s time to fuck.” That’s also what I practice almost every night with my wife – I cover her mouth with duct-tape and get started (laughing). But no worries: I’m just kidding!

I mean, that obviously was a joke, he even says so himself. And that joke didn’t come out of nowhere, he was talking about Fuck Time just before. As others have explained in this thread earlier (I think) that song was originally a tribute to the cast of the American Idiot musical on Broadway who would all shout “It’s fuck time!” before every performance, it’s just a silly song. However, if you don’t know about that song’s background and take it completely seriously, but learn that its writer has been married for a long time, it seems like a weird song for him to write. And he’s just making fun of that by jokingly suggesting that the lyrics are autobiographical. It’s not like he tries to belittle domestic violence or anything. As becomes apparent by the “no worries”-part, he does think that it would be bad and worrisome if it was true.

I mean you could say that something like that is a politically incorrect thing to joke about, but other than that I don’t see the offensive side to it. It doesn’t seem like a good reason to lose respect for someone. It’s probably also worth considering that this was translated from English to German and back to English, so misunderstandings can arise from that. For example, I found it a bit odd that the interviewer said Fuck Time was on Uno and Billie didn’t contradict him.

By the way, in a weird way (might be unpopular, I don't really know) I kind of liked that quote because it shows that all those references to sex on the trilogy aren’t really rooted in his own life (which I kind of hoped they wouldn’t be). I mean a lot of people seem to take the lyrics of the Trilogy for real and make assumptions about their private lives on the basis of that (like that they really lead that crazy rock’n’roll life and that Billie had affairs with other women and crazy stuff like that). So I kind of enjoyed Billie making fun of that. He could have put that differently too, I liked how he (when pretending the lyrics showed his own life) related the lyrics to his wife instead of relating it to other random women (like, he could have said: “That’s what I practice almost every night when I go out and tell people to have sex with me” ) I hope someone understands what I mean

Well, sorry for the long rant, but I felt like this also addressed some topics that were discussed in this thread.

[The Grouch is Tracy]

We need a "dislike" button! For some earlier posts that got way off topic, not for these last few i mean!

[Slave To The Network]

I don't like A Quick One While He's Away.

Neither do I. And remember, that's just a cover of a Who, not actually Green Day's.

[Jon Benjamin]

Neither do I. And remember, that's just a cover of a Who, not actually Green Day's.

I just hate the lyrics like what a bitch she cheated on the guy in the story, it's sad

[Z J]

I love Green Day, and I believe they'll be inducted to the HOF in 2014, but I want them to go down as a legendary band, and to do that they need to make one more album with the impact of Dookie or American Idiot. American Idiot is what's getting them in to the hall. Not many bands can pull the comeback they did once, let along twice. The question is do they have one more mega-hit in them? And my opinion is that they do in fact have the ability to rock the world again. In order to do this, I think they're going to need to do something spectacular and huge. Like 21CB but more consistent. I've always wanted an acoustic album, but that won't do it in this case.

To be legendary and to be beyond the petty people who characterize them as "whiny 40 year olds with make-up" is what I want for this band.

[Eva]

We need a "dislike" button! For some earlier posts that got way off topic, not for these last few i mean!

I'm pretty sure GDC used to have a dislike button. I'm also pretty sure it did not turn out well, which is why we don't have it anymore.

I love Green Day, and I believe they'll be inducted to the HOF in 2014, but I want them to go down as a legendary band, and to do that they need to make one more album with the impact of Dookie or American Idiot. American Idiot is what's getting them in to the hall. Not many bands can pull the comeback they did once, let along twice. The question is do they have one more mega-hit in them? And my opinion is that they do in fact have the ability to rock the world again. In order to do this, I think they're going to need to do something spectacular and huge. Like 21CB but more consistent. I've always wanted an acoustic album, but that won't do it in this case.

To be legendary and to be beyond the petty people who characterize them as "whiny 40 year olds with make-up" is what I want for this band.

I think if they had done 21CB at a later time, it would have been a much bigger hit. In my opinion, it was an awful idea to follow American Idiot, a great rock opera, with another rock opera right after it, because everyone, of course, compared 21CB to American Idiot. I think 21CB is brilliant, but comparing it to American Idiot, it's like, "....eh," even though it's fantastic.

I think if 21CB had been released when the Trilogy was or even later, it would have had a much bigger impact. My opinion, though, of course.

Also, I really wish they hadn't done the whole heavy eyeliner thing during the AI/21CB era because everyone in my generation just thinks they're a bunch of creepy emo 40 year olds who are angsty about politics.

[DookieLukie]

I love Green Day, and I believe they'll be inducted to the HOF in 2014, but I want them to go down as a legendary band, and to do that they need to make one more album with the impact of Dookie or American Idiot. American Idiot is what's getting them in to the hall. Not many bands can pull the comeback they did once, let along twice. The question is do they have one more mega-hit in them? And my opinion is that they do in fact have the ability to rock the world again. In order to do this, I think they're going to need to do something spectacular and huge. Like 21CB but more consistent. I've always wanted an acoustic album, but that won't do it in this case.

To be legendary and to be beyond the petty people who characterize them as "whiny 40 year olds with make-up" is what I want for this band.

Green Day doesn't need another hit to go down in history. Green Day revived a type of music...twice. They have done something most bands never do...twice! I'd love another hit album. I'd love another album as legendary as Dookie or AI, but in all honestly they don't need it. In this music climate, there's really no window of opportunity for them to have a massive rock album.

I'm pretty sure GDC used to have a dislike button. I'm also pretty sure it did not turn out well, which is why we don't have it anymore.

I think if they had done 21CB at a later time, it would have been a much bigger hit. In my opinion, it was an awful idea to follow American Idiot, a great rock opera, with another rock opera right after it, because everyone, of course, compared 21CB to American Idiot. I think 21CB is brilliant, but comparing it to American Idiot, it's like, "....eh," even though it's fantastic.

I think if 21CB had been released when the Trilogy was or even later, it would have had a much bigger impact. My opinion, though, of course.

Also, I really wish they hadn't done the whole heavy eyeliner thing during the AI/21CB era because everyone in my generation just thinks they're a bunch of creepy emo 40 year olds who are angsty about politics.

Good observation about a later release for 21CB. When I heard they were making another rock opera in 2008, I was like "ehhh." But the thought of them making another one now really gets me excited. They needed a playful album in between.

[Eva]

Good observation about a later release for 21CB. When I heard they were making another rock opera in 2008, I was like "ehhh." But the thought of them making another one now really gets me excited. They needed a playful album in between.

I think that if they had released the Trilogy (or something similar) after American Idiot, and then released 21st Century Breakdown now, they'd be all over the charts, touring every country, and probably be a very popular "mainstream" band again.

Although, if they had released the Trilogy after American Idiot, they possibly could have lost a majority of their new fanbase that would have been wanting another American Idiot. So who knows? Green Day's in an awful position now (because they're so good and so popular) that there's really no way for them to win when they release new albums, because a large portion of the fanbase will always be unsatisfied.

[AfterShock]

The older stuff (1039, Kerplunk) isn't THAT good and I feel like a lot of people overrate it just because its older and mainstream fans have never heard of it. I would listen to any other Green Day album before listening to those two.

[Eva]

The older stuff (1039, Kerplunk) isn't THAT good and I feel like a lot of people overrate it just because its older and mainstream fans have never heard of it. I would listen to any other Green Day album before listening to those two.

I feel like disliking the first two albums are a popular opinion.

Either way, I love them to death.

[AfterShock]

I feel like disliking the first two albums are a popular opinion.

Either way, I love them to death.

Maybe I just don't look enough but everytime I see someone talking about them it's nothing but love

[Duhhan1023]

I love Green Day, and I believe they'll be inducted to the HOF in 2014, but I want them to go down as a legendary band, and to do that they need to make one more album with the impact of Dookie or American Idiot. American Idiot is what's getting them in to the hall. Not many bands can pull the comeback they did once, let along twice. The question is do they have one more mega-hit in them? And my opinion is that they do in fact have the ability to rock the world again. In order to do this, I think they're going to need to do something spectacular and huge. Like 21CB but more consistent. I've always wanted an acoustic album, but that won't do it in this case.

To be legendary and to be beyond the petty people who characterize them as "whiny 40 year olds with make-up" is what I want for this band.

THISS !!!! Amen

[munns6691]

I think Kerplunk is much better than 1,039 Smooth but I understand Kerplunk has a few filler songs, most albums do.

Also the biggest difference to me between American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown is the fact American Idiot is more personalized than 21st Century Breakdown. What I mean is 21st Century Breakdown can't decide if it wants to be about Christian and Gloria's fictional world or the real life politics of today. The album tackles both and it doesn't mixed terribly well. American Idiot on the underhand is more real because it has political undertones but doesn't overwhelm you with them, and the characters are more related because they, in my opinion, are not fictional. Jesus and St. Jimmy is Billie Joe and the album is a bibliography of sorts with Whatsername being Amanda ( and also the idea of a youthful innocense).

[The Forgotten]

I think this thread should be changed from "Unpopular opinions" to "Green Day confessions"

[musso_kn]

I think this thread should be changed from "Unpopular opinions" to "Green Day confessions"

I don't think there are many 'confessions' here, though. I reckon 'Green Day musings' would be a more appropriate title.

[The Forgotten]

I don't think there are many 'confessions' here, though. I reckon 'Green Day musings' would be a more appropriate title.

ehhhh you got the banner!

[WhiteTim]

The older stuff (1039, Kerplunk) isn't THAT good and I feel like a lot of people overrate it just because its older and mainstream fans have never heard of it. I would listen to any other Green Day album before listening to those two.

I used to be a fan of only 2-3 songs on 1039 and half of Kerplunk! but lately I put both records on and now i like 1039 save for about 5 tracks and aside from Android i love all of Kerplunk! (I'm not including the Sweet Children EP when I say Kerplunk!)

[Hermione]

I don't think there are many 'confessions' here, though. I reckon 'Green Day musings' would be a more appropriate title.

I think this thread's been a huge success with the title it has, don't wanna risk spoiling it by changing it now. I know a wide range of things get discussed here but I think those titles would make it too wide, the focus being on unpopular opinions stops things being too vague and allows for discussion of things people don't like without complaints about being too negative.

[Sarcasm]

We need a "dislike" button! For some earlier posts that got way off topic, not for these last few i mean!

there was negative rep back in the day, but it only led to hate.

[Cob]

I will always maintain that Kerplunk is a terrific album. I know I've said this before, but there is a reason it's one of the best selling independent releases ever.

Also, Green Day doesn't need another mega-hit record to get into the Hall. I really don't understand that line of thinking.

[The Forgotten]

I'm very sure Green Day's position in the Hall of Fame is in the bag. This isn't something to worry about.