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[klytaemnestra]

**tw: domestic abuse**

Ever since I started to listen to Eminem almost all lyrics billie joe has written seem bad.

Except from One Of My Lies...I will always love One Of My Lies

Sit down bitch

If you move again I'll beat the shit out of you

[...]

Quit crying bitch, why do you always make me shout at you?

How could you?

Just leave me and love him out the blue

Oh, what's a matter Kim?

Am I too loud for you?

Too bad bitch, you're gonna finally hear me out this time

[...]

Come on get out

(I can't I'm scared)

I said get out bitch!

(Let go of my hair, please don't do this baby)

(Please I love you, look we can just take Hailie and leave)

Fuck you, you did this to us

You did it, it's your fault

[...]

We could've...HEY! Where you going? Get back here!

You can't run from me Kim

It's just us, nobody else!

You're only making this harder on yourself

Ha! Ha! Got'cha!

(Ahh!)

Ha! Go ahead yell!

Here I'll scream with you!

AH SOMEBODY HELP!

Don't you get it bitch, no one can hear you?

Now shut the fuck up and get what's comin to you

You were supposed to love me

{Kim choking}

NOW BLEED! BITCH BLEED!

BLEED! BITCH BLEED! BLEED!

ok.

disclaimer: i like eminem, mostly his singles though, and he's a raging misogynistic douchebag, so y'know.

[WhiteTim]

ok.

disclaimer: i like eminem, mostly his singles though, and he's a raging misogynistic douchebag, so y'know.

Do you personally know Em? If not then how do you know he's misogynistic?

As for the song "Kim" well do YOU have an ex-wife or a vindictive baby mama? If not you can't relate to the song then...

[petros]

Yeah take the lyrics of actually one of his best song but it's just a sick song he wrote about his ex wife.

Like he doesn't have other great lyrically songs.

Like if I say I'm so mad I wanna stab someone I'm gonna do it.You seem hypocrites to me.

I could post lyrics in reply and make you look like an idiot but I'm not gonna if you wanna check it out yourself.Just listen to songs like When I'm Gone, The Way I Am, Beautiful etc. etc.And all these songs are even singles

[WhiteTim]

My son's mother is a well everything under the sun and if I wrote a song it'd make "Kim" sound like a love song...

And I'm not a misogynist or a woman hater or beater but an ex that you still have to be invovled with that didnt end on good terms can at times make you mad/crazy/thoughts of killing her/him

[petros]

Um how about no, a person with as much influence as Eminem should not be writing lyrics that contribute to our culture of violence against women. Say what you want about Billie's lyrics, at least he has never written about brutally murdering a woman he doesn't like.

Yeah he writes what he wants what's bad with that?

You all lick green day's ass for being so "punx" and never care what people think of what they are doing but when it's Eminem doing it you think the influence he has?

Like if someone's so stupid to take things eminem write literally it's eminem's fault.

Also this.

[WhiteTim]

Um how about no, a person with as much influence as Eminem should not be writing lyrics that contribute to our culture of violence against women. Say what you want about Billie's lyrics, at least he has never written about brutally murdering a woman he doesn't like.

It's a song it a way to get frustration out

And if people do shit they hear on songs they are fucking idiots...

[klytaemnestra]

Yeah take the lyrics of actually one of his best song but it's just a sick song he wrote about his ex wife.

Like he doesn't have other great lyrically songs.

Like if I say I'm so mad I wanna stab someone I'm gonna do it.You seem hypocrites to me.

I could post lyrics in reply and make you look like an idiot but I'm not gonna if you wanna check it out yourself.Just listen to songs like When I'm Gone, The Way I Am, Beautiful etc. etc.And all these songs are even singles

lmao yes i have listened to the songs you've listed. my bf is a huge eminem fan and we're planning on seeing him at leeds festival if we go. i was mostly being facetious, to be honest, because frankly i disagree with your original comment.

but i don't understand how i'm being hypocritical? he literally wrote and released a song documenting his desire to murder his ex-wife. i take that more seriously than a flippant comment, yes; his releasing the song presumably means that he rewrote and edited the lyrics, choosing to keep in all the disgusting stuff. he could easily have just written a song about how much kim sucks and how he left the relationship and is better for it, but no - he has to flesh out his desire to murder her in an incredibly graphic way, and share his

murder lust with the rest of the world. cheers, marshall. really appreciate it.

Do you personally know Em? If not then how do you know he's misogynistic?

As for the song "Kim" well do YOU have an ex-wife or a vindictive baby mama? If not you can't relate to the song then...

i know he's misogynistic because of song lyrics i just posted. as i have explained before on the forum, you don't have to go around beating women a la chris brown to be a misogynist (besides, eminem apparently harbours a desire to channel chris brown's energies).

and i'm terribly sorry to break it to you, but her being "abusive and vindictive" does not justify the fucking disgusting lyrics to that song. my dad was an abusive dickbag to both myself, my mother, his ex wife, his other kids etc, and none of us have written and released a song detailing our rampant murder-lust. i'll admit i'm hazy on the details of eminem's personal life, partly due to his staunch privacy and partly due to my large disinterest.

i'll break it down further for you, if you like. a large part of misogyny, both internalized, externalized, as committed by society at large, etc., consists of blaming women for the actions of men who have abused them, whether that abuse be sexual, verbal, physical, or (as in this case) domestic. i'll post this again: "Fuck you, you did this to us / You did it, it's your fault" do you see what he's doing there? that's right, he's blaming the women. hey look, we're getting somewhere!

excuse the lyrics all you want, but i'd like to see you defend these actions: "The song ends in a prolonged outro during which the listener can hear a skit called "Mommy" [...] The skit includes sounds of a body being dragged through the grass and placed in the trunk of a car."; "Eminem performed this song in-concert on July 7, 2000 in Detroit. Kim saw the performance. During the performance, Eminem abused a mock-up doll of her on stage to audience approval. This was a recurring part of his performance in the Up In Smoke Tour."

he's fucking sexist, i'm sorry. i appreciate and enjoy some of his music, and i certainly won't deny that he has talent, but you'll never convince me that he's not a sexist dickbag.

[@thelibrary]

Yeah he writes what he wants what's bad with that?

You all lick green day's ass for being so "punx" and never care what people think of what they are doing but when it's Eminem doing it you think the influence he has?

Like if someone's so stupid to take things eminem write literally it's eminem's fault.

Also this.

I don't think that's the point here, honestly. I happen to enjoy some of Eminem's music, but there's a difference between expressing your feelings and then doing it in a way that promotes values that society has struggles in the past few years to get rid of. I don't lick Green Day's ass either to be honest, some of BJA's lyrics aren't my favorite either, but I think there's a rather large difference in saying something like "Oh hey nice boobs" and "Hey I want to choke you really violently".

[klytaemnestra]

My son's mother is a well everything under the sun and if I wrote a song it'd make "Kim" sound like a love song...

And I'm not a misogynist or a woman hater or beater but an ex that you still have to be invovled with that didnt end on good terms can at times make you mad/crazy/thoughts of killing her/him

LOL

[MaraGreenDay]

Come on, no one can say that Eminem is better songwriter than Billie or the contrary, each one has his own style of writing, i like a few songs from Eminem, but i will never say that he's better than Billie. But like i said, each one has his own style, that's it.

[klytaemnestra]

Yeah he writes what he wants what's bad with that?

You all lick green day's ass for being so "punx" and never care what people think of what they are doing but when it's Eminem doing it you think the influence he has?

Like if someone's so stupid to take things eminem write literally it's eminem's fault.

Also this.

it's bad because it perpetuates the culture of sexism that we live in. i won't deny that billie's said some dodgy-ass things, but i can't think of anything right now to do with his lyrics. i can tell you, though, that he made a dodgy comment regarding adrienne and fuck time. i did lose a little respect for him after that, but i still respect him as an artist and ultimately as a person, because he doesn't use overly violent imagery in his songs that is, frankly, unnecessary.

also, i looked at the lyrics to that song you linked to and it's just further proved my point. thanks, petros.

It's a song it a way to get frustration out

And if people do shit they hear on songs they are fucking idiots...

he didn't have to release it.

[WhiteTim]

lmao yes i have listened to the songs you've listed. my bf is a huge eminem fan and we're planning on seeing him at leeds festival if we go. i was mostly being facetious, to be honest, because frankly i disagree with your original comment.

but i don't understand how i'm being hypocritical? he literally wrote and released a song documenting his desire to murder his ex-wife. i take that more seriously than a flippant comment, yes; his releasing the song presumably means that he rewrote and edited the lyrics, choosing to keep in all the disgusting stuff. he could easily have just written a song about how much kim sucks and how he left the relationship and is better for it, but no - he has to flesh out his desire to murder her in an incredibly graphic way, and share his

murder lust with the rest of the world. cheers, marshall. really appreciate it.

i know he's misogynistic because of song lyrics i just posted. as i have explained before on the forum, you don't have to go around beating women a la chris brown to be a misogynist (besides, eminem apparently harbours a desire to channel chris brown's energies).

and i'm terribly sorry to break it to you, but her being "abusive and vindictive" does not justify the fuckign disgusting lyrics to that song. my dad was an abusive dickbag to both myself, my mother, his ex wife, his other kids etc, and none of us have written and released a song detailing our rampant murder-lust. i'll admit i'm hazy on the details of eminem's personal life, partly due to his staunch privacy and partly due to my large disinterest.

i'll break it down further for you, if you like. a large part of misogyny, both internalized, externalized, as committed by society at large, etc., consists of blaming women for the actions of men who have abused them, whether that abuse me sexual, verbal, physical, or (as in this case) domestic. i'll post this again: "Fuck you, you did this to us / You did it, it's your fault" do you see what he's doing there?

excuse the lyrics all you want, but i'd like to see you defend these actions: "The song ends in a prolonged outro during which the listener can hear a skit called "Mommy" [...] The skit includes sounds of a body being dragged through the grass and placed in the trunk of a car."; "Eminem performed this song in-concert on July 7, 2000 in Detroit. Kim saw the performance. During the performance, Eminem abused a mock-up doll of her on stage to audience approval. This was a recurring part of his performance in the Up In Smoke Tour."

he's fucking sexist, i'm sorry. i appreciate and enjoy some of his music, and i certainly won't deny that he has talent, but you'll never convince me that he's not a sexist dickbag.

In that case Billie a misogynist too hell Fuck Time alone "i wanna choke you til your blue in the face"

You can't call someone is sexist by songs if so then call damn near everyone in music sexist

[petros]

Yeah you can't really compare the two songwritters because it's totally different style.

And I understand some of you people have been through shit and get offended when you read some things em has written.But if you look at the song I linked and feel like I proved your point then you don't get the sarcasm in that song and you don't understand anything.

Yeah he is sick for writting sick things as you say.Take a look at what he has been through and don't think he's Lil Wayne rapping about "slapping bitches" cause you don't seem to know shit about him.

Anyway this isn't an eminem thread I'll try to stop it here we can take it to them eminem thread if you wish it's just a discussion anyway I don't want internet butthurts it's too late and i can't seem to sleep

[munns6691]

Back to the topic at hand..

1. I have no problems at all with Loss of Control (apparently unpopular opinion)

2. If they keep dookie songs my vote is to keep Having a Blast over Sassafras Roots

[WhiteTim]

Well maybe i'm taking this a bit personally because I was also irrationally hated by my child's father (as I'm sure Eminem was irrationally hating on his child's mother) and I'm sorry, nothing justifies writing such awful tripe about a woman unless she's killed your kid in front of you or something equally awful. Actually, I'm not sorry for that opinion at all.

Everybody has their opinion Em and Kim have had a difficult relationship and Em writes his frustrations rather than ACTUALLY doing it

To me there's a difference between one line about S&M taken a bit too far and taking pride in explicitly describing the abuse and murder of your ex-wife.

What about Platypus Take Back Reject...

You act like Em actually done those things

[klytaemnestra]

In that case Billie a misogynist too hell Fuck Time alone "i wanna choke you til your blue in the face"

You can't call someone is sexist by songs if so then call damn near everyone in music sexist

in the context of the song 'fuck time', it's very different. and i've already said that billie's comments about the song, especially with regard to adrienne, have been creepy, and i did lose respect for him afterwards.

[petros]

Judging Eminem by that song is like judging Billie Joe for Platypus (I Hate You), Take Back, Fuck Time or even all of the other exaggerated songs he's ever written about violence and sex.

Thank you!!!I wanted to point this out after I posted too but I also don't want to continue this!

[WhiteTim]

in the context of the song 'fuck time', it's very different. and i've already said that billie's comments about the song, especially with regard to adrienne, have been creepy, and i did lose respect for him afterwards.

Yeah i saw you had posted while I was typing that response

To be clear I'm not saying I support women violence (cause I don't) but sadly I can relate to the song and why he wrote it everybody handles situations differently and he chooses to write than to actually do it my opinion is you can't really judge a artist by a song there are tons of artists who dont sing or rap sexist lyrics but abuses women in their personal life...

[@thelibrary]

Back to the topic at hand..

1. I have no problems at all with Loss of Control (apparently unpopular opinion)

2. If they keep dookie songs my vote is to keep Having a Blast over Sassafras Roots

I have to agree with what seems to be the more popular opinion here and say that I also felt the chorus was a little weak for Loss of Control, especially because the verses are so exciting. But I think the chorus has its own charm too, I'm just not sure they belong together.

I love Having a Blast, honestly. I would love to see them do that one live.

[blitzkriegdeb]

Are the songs "Kim" and "Fuck Time" seriously being compared like really one's a silly song about fucking and the other is literally a thought-out rap about abusing and murdering an ex-wife

Billie's not being sexist at all and quite frankly if you listen to his songs about his ex-girlfriends he speaks in the sense of him fucking up and not being mature enough to handle the relationships so

[WhiteTim]

Are the songs "Kim" and "Fuck Time" seriously being compared like really one's a silly song about fucking and the other is literally a thought-out rap about abusing and murdering an ex-wife

Billie's not being sexist at all and quite frankly if you listen to his songs about his ex-girlfriends he speaks in the sense of him fucking up and not being mature enough to handle the relationships so

Im comparing them as both songs are simply that SONGS lyricswrong words on paper

[blitzkriegdeb]

Read these that Petros just posted, it is an explanation behind Eminem's exaggerated lyrics: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eminem/criminal.html

Don't know why that's less of an explanation than anything BJA's ever said about HIS songs not being serious but okay.

Because it still doesn't excuse the fact that he made a rap about brutally abusing and murdering his ex-wife?

"Fuck Time" was literally just a song that Billie wrote after the AI cast did the "fuck time" chant because he found it amusing and that's what the song is meant to be - funny. "Kim" was written because Eminem caught his wife cheating and got mad and not only repeatedly name-dropped her but included a female voice imitating her screaming and begging for help

Like the 2 songs are literally just not comparable in any sense of the term

[petros]

God you guys are stupid....

Anyway if em is a sick person who murders people why hasn't he murdered anyone yet?

If you are that idiot and can't really understand the difference between music and reality here's another song for you.Em has a lot songs to check out if you don't wanna just look at that song called Kim

ok i'm done

[blitzkriegdeb]

Tbh I only really thought of the line "I wanna choke you 'till you're blue in the face" and didn't really put any more thought into the comparison. What about Take Back and Playtpus, then?

Still a huge gap between telling someone you hate them and you want them to fuck off or whatever and murdering

I don't know, I'm probably just looking too much into this

God you guys are stupid....

Anyway if em is a sick person who murders people why hasn't he murdered anyone yet?

If you are that idiot and can't really understand the difference between music and reality here's another song for you.Em has a lot songs to check out if you don't wanna just look at that song called Kim

ok i'm done

Don't know if this was directed at me but #rude

[petros]

Billie said it brings him pleasure to think someone is going to die(in platypus and about the steve jobs thing), he wants to watch his eyes come out of his skull, he wants to piss on his grave...If you don't find that offensive why do you find eminem's words offensive?