¡DOS! Album

[November's Storms]

I wonder is there any pun in the title of Lazy Bones? The guitar riff, drum beat and song structure as previously pointed out is so undeniably similar to Give Me Novocaine that I see the title of Lazy Bones as a joke. "Look at us, we're not even bothered to think up a new song so we'll take a previously well received song and do it again, we're so lazy" I'm not accusing them of that, it's purely tongue in cheek.

[kellista]

At this point every song on this album has grown on me. I like Uno, I wasn't disapointed when we got it. I just love this album in a totally different way. Ashley, Lady Cobra, Makeout Party, and Amy are highlights for me. Even Nightlife which I intially hated sounds better.

At first I saw the lyrics to Amy as "That's so wonderful of Billie to write a song about her", now I see in them in a more personal way. With the recent events surrounding Billie, I'm beginning to see that song as a reflection of people like me and other fans views (probably not the best word, but the best I could come up with) of Billie. "No one really knows about your soul ,and I barely even know your name." He is a complete stranger, yet we care so much about him and want to support him as he fights his demons. Thankfully for Billie's sake this has come out a lot earlier than poor Amy's situation.

[November's Storms]

The more I listen to this album the more I see in it. Not entirely groundbreaking, but interesting. The bass and drum breakdown before the bass solo in Makeout Party is very similar to the intro to Supermodel Robots by The Network.

[Mr. Shluffy]

Anyone else get a C&V vibe from Baby Eyes? I know that's a weird question, but I have it in my head what I assumed that album would sound like given that song and other B-sides that I think were in the same style (Hearts Collide).

I definitely got that vibe from Baby Eyes, most pointedly in the guitar tones and the harmonies.

[PinheadGunpowder]

I'm sure you mean well by expressing your worry for Billie, but I'm calling bullshit on most of what you've said here. Billie's writing isn't really that much darker in this album. Look through lyrics of songs on every album they've put out, there's always dark songs. Even in the concept albums, they're written from a personal point of view. Starting from Dookie through each album; Burnout, Panic Song, Uptight, Church on Sunday, Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Christians Inferno. All songs that seem dark and if they were on this album you'd be worried.

We're just holding his lyrics under a microscope now to check for clues as to why he's in his current situation.

To say Lady Cobra has had a bad effect on him. She's a vocalist in Mystic Knights of the Cobra, a punk band from the Bay Area. He's been surrounded by Bay Area punk bands for almost his entire life, and having been in the rock n roll spotlight for the last 20+ years, he's probably come across every real life St Jimmy there is. To say this one girl has caused his problems is far too simplistic and unfair on her. I've met the girl, she's crazy as fuck and way too hardcore for my liking, but she seems like a decent person too.

Now I'm getting personal, and this is entirely unrelated to the rest of this post or the thread but praying for Billie isn't going to do shit.

Never did I say that Lady Cobra had a "bad" effect on him. And you're right, he has probably come across plenty of St. Jimmys his lifetime. And I'm sure you may have too. And I'm sure Lady Cobra is a crazy chick who loves to party and she very well is probably an amazing person. But my point is that we come across people in our lifetime that impact us more than other people do. Billie is his own person and at no point is it Lady Cobras fault for the grave Billie dug himself. And as far as his lyrics being darker goes, you make a good point. His lyrics were never really happy-go-lucky and joyful, well at least for the most part.

And if you're gonna take shit personal on a chat forum, get a fucking life. Other than that, take care and have a nice day.

My wife and I both think that the trilogy is a 37-song cry for help; it's packaged in the context of an unhealthy love/lust relationship or an affair (which more people I think can relate to) as opposed to a more express reference to alcoholism or drug addiction like the band did with some songs on Nimrod. But the subliminal references to drug use are definitely there in the lyrics, and especially given Billie's penchant for autobiographical songwriting, can't be ignored especially in light of his recent public troubles. I think Billie was going over the edge slowly as he wrote this, and maybe getting it out on paper was in a way therapeutic for him or at least slowed the decline to the point where even his best friends couldn't cover for him anymore.

I agree with alot of what you said here, kind've reminds me of The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath where as she's writing the book she goes crazy and as the novel goes along you can see how she's mentally getting sick through the way she writes.

[Marrymebilliejoe]

I think it's kinda hard to compare Uno to Dos because they have such different sounds..although I like Uno because it sounds like older Green Day; I'm liking the new funky feel on Dos..some of the songs really surprised me! Like I think Lazy Bones is one of my top 5 favorite Green Day songs

And as for the argument above...

[PinheadGunpowder]

Yes, I thought it sounded like Another State of Mind, too! I think Ashley may end up being my favorite off of Dos, partly because of this. I love the awesome Social Distortion-esque punk sound it has.

I couldn't agree more with the Social D comparison. Just real heavy distortion and I can imagine Mike Ness singing these lyrics

[muru]

I love Nightlife. It is my favorite track on the album.. I am not sure if people are really getting the song. I am wondering if people are just saying "WTF is this" and not giving it a chance. Of course this is just my opinion, but this is kind of my analysis on it.

Please keep in mind this doesnt have anything to do with what happened recently with him, it's just what I think they were going for. First of all, it's obviously about an addict, whether it be alcohol, drugs, sex, whatever. I think the person it is about is just worn out, and massively depressed. I think that is what the drawn out, distorted almost moaning vocals are trying to achieve. The total emptyness and hopeless attitude of this individual. The rap part I think represents his addiction. The sexy style of vocal trying to represent the vice and attractiveness of whatever has a hold on this person. All I can picture when this song plays is some loser type driving around at 1am in the seedy part of town fighting with his concious. And this sleazy, depressing, almost "red light district" feeling type of song does an amazing job of all of that.

And any song that makes me think about what it's true meaning is rather than just moving to the next song.. Thats amazing.

When I first heard a clip of Nightlife I was like mehh and I wasn't all that interested. Now that I've heard the entire song I completely agree with you. Nightlife is definitely one of my favorite Dos songs. The mood in that song is intense. Excellent lyrics. It just stops me to think.

[That Dude]

I wonder is there any pun in the title of Lazy Bones? The guitar riff, drum beat and song structure as previously pointed out is so undeniably similar to Give Me Novocaine that I see the title of Lazy Bones as a joke. "Look at us, we're not even bothered to think up a new song so we'll take a previously well received song and do it again, we're so lazy" I'm not accusing them of that, it's purely tongue in cheek.

Wow, I just played them both and the guitar is literally exactly the same. The only difference is in Give me Novacaine there are pauses while Lazy Bones just keeps going for the most part.

[Cob]

I think it's kinda hard to compare Uno to Dos because they have such different sounds..although I like Uno because it sounds like older Green Day; I'm liking the new funky feel on Dos..some of the songs really surprised me! Like I think Lazy Bones is one of my top 5 favorite Green Day songs

And as for the argument above...

My thoughts exactly. I think the comparison ultimately comes down a bit to how "new" the music is I think. Uno is a great collection of solid songs, but we've come to expect that sound from them, a sound that quotes classic Green Day. Dos is something new that they haven't done before, noisy, dirty and gritty, the themes reflect 70's glam or even early Guns N' Roses. I personally can't choose a favorite, I think both albums are fucking great.

[Dalya]

DOS is better. Point!

[AfterShock]

I wonder is there any pun in the title of Lazy Bones? The guitar riff, drum beat and song structure as previously pointed out is so undeniably similar to Give Me Novocaine that I see the title of Lazy Bones as a joke. "Look at us, we're not even bothered to think up a new song so we'll take a previously well received song and do it again, we're so lazy" I'm not accusing them of that, it's purely tongue in cheek.

You may be right, the guitar part is the exact same progression...and the chorus sounds a lot like Favorite Son

[QueenOfSuburbia]

I think for now my top 3 is:

1. Lazy Bones

2. Fuck Time

3. Wildone/Stop when the red lights flash

(Yeah, I put two songs on number three because I like them both equally!)

But it might change with time, except for Lazy Bones because I'm deeep in love with this song. might be one of my favorite Green Day songs EVER.

I loveeee nightlife. And I can't wait to listen to it with a couple of drinks I'm sure it sounds even more better with the feeling of being a little drunk.. Just a little

[BraedonHorbacio]

No offense, but this is exactly what I was hoping people WOULDN'T do. It's not just you doing it, obviously, but I'm starting to see a lot of people read way too much into lyrics to try to relate it to Billie's problems, when they more than likely have little to do with it.

But of course his problems will show through the songs in some way, the songs ARE him. I'm sure it's not intentional, he can't help it.

[Ryder556]

I wonder is there any pun in the title of Lazy Bones? The guitar riff, drum beat and song structure as previously pointed out is so undeniably similar to Give Me Novocaine that I see the title of Lazy Bones as a joke. "Look at us, we're not even bothered to think up a new song so we'll take a previously well received song and do it again, we're so lazy" I'm not accusing them of that, it's purely tongue in cheek.

Thank you. The moment I heard Lazy Bones I knew right away that I heard it before somewhere else.

Also I wouldn't say the ripped off Novocaine, just got inspiration from it, like they did with other songs, like Prosthetic Head for Troublemaker.

And I think, that in a way Lazy Bones is the follow up to Novocaine. Something like this maybe. Jesus has come down from his "pedestal" and is starting to realize that Jimmy might just be a figment of his imagination. The drugs and alcohol are starting to wear off and he's starting to regret what he's done. I guarantee if Lazy Bones was on American Idiot(maybe after Homecoming) it'd fit in perfectly with the story.

Maybe it's just me but I really get an American Idiot kinda vibe from it.

[Clayish]

Baby Eyes is Green Day bliss.

[Vespertine]

Wow. I'm officially addicted to Dos!. It's fucking awesome. SO much better than Uno.

[Sleeper Agent.]

All the people who are getting Dos released on Friday in their countries must be getting excited now

[Isabel]

Do you dislike iDos! because it's not the type of music you enjoy or do you neutrally just think it's a bad album?

I don't like the music, not that it's a 'bad' album. It's obvious that they're experimenting with a different sound, I just don't like it...doesn't sound anything like them, it sounds like Foxboro Hot Tubs - and I look at FHT as a complete joke band not to be taken seriously. I just don't like how GD appears to be chopping and changing between the two.

[Hermione]

and I look at FHT as a complete joke band not to be taken seriously

Aww really? I know the music's fun sounding and the live shows are silly but there's some amazing lyrics on Stop Drop And Roll. Properly deep and dark stuff on songs like 27th Ave Shuffle, and even the ones about love or partying have a dark side to them and are more than just jokes. Aside from maybe Alligator I don't see that album as a joke album at all, the songs are just as meaningful and creative and high quality as on any other Green Day album. I think of The Network as separate and a joke but Foxboro is more like just Green Day with a 60s twist, I've never really differentiated much between the two bands.

I guess since I've always had that POV it didn't surprise me to see them incorporating Foxboro type stuff into the new music, just seems like a natural progression. And luckily I love that side of the music so I have no complaints

[TheJedi]

I don't like the music, not that it's a 'bad' album. It's obvious that they're experimenting with a different sound, I just don't like it...doesn't sound anything like them, it sounds like Foxboro Hot Tubs - and I look at FHT as a complete joke band not to be taken seriously. I just don't like how GD appears to be chopping and changing between the two.

i dont think Foxboro Hot Tubs is a joke at all. it isn't a joke. Green Day have never called it a joke. It's just a different band, with the same guys, and it's fucking awesome in my opinion.

Also, i don't think all songs on Dos sounds like FBHT, but I really like it.

Though there's some songs i don't like very much on Dos.. and I usually love almost all songs on Green Day albums

[Isabel]

Aww really? I know the music's fun sounding and the live shows are silly but there's some amazing lyrics on Stop Drop And Roll. Properly deep and dark stuff on songs like 27th Ave Shuffle, and even the ones about love or partying have a dark side to them and are more than just jokes. Aside from maybe Alligator I don't see that album as a joke album at all, the songs are just as meaningful and creative and high quality as on any other Green Day album. I think of The Network as separate and a joke but Foxboro is more like just Green Day with a 60s twist, I've never really differentiated much between the two bands.

I guess since I've always had that POV it didn't surprise me to see them incorporating Foxboro type stuff into the new music, just seems like a natural progression. And luckily I love that side of the music so I have no complaints

Maybe because of Billie's own commentary regarding Stop Drop and Roll being as a result of: 'drinking too much wine one night', I've never really taken them seriously. I know the lyrics are geniunely meaningful but I just don't see it as anything serious, rather a fun and playful side project that they decided to do between the transition of American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown. Don't get me wrong, I love Foxboro Hot Tubs as much as the next person...I suppose I would just prefer Green Day to stay as a separate entity to it.

i dont think Foxboro Hot Tubs is a joke at all. it isn't a joke. Green Day have never called it a joke. It's just a different band, with the same guys, and it's fucking awesome in my opinion.

Also, i don't think all songs on Dos sounds like FBHT, but I really like it.

I know they never called it 'a joke'...that's clearly only my perception of it.

Don't know how anyone can't hear the FHT sound all the way through the album though.

[TheJedi]

Maybe because of Billie's own commentary regarding Stop Drop and Roll being as a result of: 'drinking too much wine one night', I've never really taken them seriously. I know the lyrics are geniunely meaningful but I just don't see it as anything serious, rather a fun and playful side project that they decided to do between the transition of American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown. Don't get me wrong, I love Foxboro Hot Tubs as much as the next person...I suppose I would just prefer Green Day to stay as a separate entity to it.

i can't really see it as a total joke, since some lyrics are very serious

[Hermione]

Maybe because of Billie's own commentary regarding Stop Drop and Roll being as a result of: 'drinking too much wine one night', I've never really taken them seriously. I know the lyrics are geniunely meaningful but I just don't see it as anything serious, rather a fun and playful side project that they decided to do between the transition of American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown. Don't get me wrong, I love Foxboro Hot Tubs as much as the next person...I suppose I would just prefer Green Day to stay as a separate entity to it.

That makes sense, comes down to personal taste I suppose. It's lucky they've done a pick and mix of three different styles of album so there's something for everyone whatever your Green Day preferences are!

I agree Foxboro is fun and playful but I think of it more as an accompaniment to the Green Day stuff they were working on than as something separate. Both were Green Day's thoughts, feelings and creativity at the time coming out, just some came out in a more spontaneous and fun way and some they took more time and contemplation over. I think you can see the dark thoughts of 21st CB coming through in the lyrics of Stop Drop And Roll. Two sides of the same coin rather than different coins, that's my view on it anyway. I think maybe with these albums they've decided to just go with whatever they're inspired to do rather than divide it up, and that's meant we've seen the two sides together.

[Malleus]

Stop When The Red Lights Flash would make a good opener. The opening drums get you so pumped and I imagine they could extend it a bit when playing it live.