Nzap Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just wanted to point out something that I "noticed" while listening, and actually on my very first listen, to Baby Eyes. There's the line "They say my middle name is danger". This must definetly be a reference to Billie's second son, Jakob Danger Armstrong.. "the kind you keep away from strangers" Damn, I bet he had those lines in his head since 1998, or earlier. But hey, he even admitted that it "took" him many years to write Uptight (Or was it Scattered?), but actually it was started and continued years later.. I think it's more about himself Year of the rat was between 15 February 1972 and 2 February 1973, i.e. Billie had his birthday then. He was also the last of the children (last of the litter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I am so over discussing anything with you...it is so funny to see you use the word mature though given your posts over the last day. I also love taking advice to "reflect" from someone who posts about serious addiction like a bratty child. I have not made a single assumption about you (unlike the very personal ones you made about me). Also if you think me having a difference of opinion than you is an "attack" then perhaps you need some reflection of your own. You can respond to this all you like...seems all you want to do is bitch out Dos (and Billie of course ) anyway so im outta this topic till you get bored. Although you've made clear you won't respond, I hope you'll at least take the time to read this post. It isn't easy to see someone disagree with you about something you love and people let it manipulate them into acting out of character leading to sophomoric personal attacks and constant snide remarks. This is what I will assume has happened to you. You can't be bothered to look inward. This is not an assumption. This is a fact. If you read through your posts from the past day you would see a sickeningly rude, asinine, brat who is tragically oblivious that they are engaging in projection as a defense. I never talked about serious addictions in a bratty way. In fact, all I've ever said was that Billie engaged in an entitled rant at iHeart and looked spoiled. He did. This is not up for debate. "I've been around since 19 fucking 80 fucking 8 and you're gonna give me one fucking minute? You gotta be fucking kidding me! This is a joke, this is a fucking joke. 1 minute I got one fucking minute!" Now Billie belongs in rehab. He needs to get his life on track for the sake of himself, his family, and his friends, but he'll also need to own up to extremely immature way he conducted himself that night. Like it or not, drug abuse at age forty, even if it's addiction is really quite immature. That's why we see teens and young adults make these errors frequently. They need to screw up to learn, well, some do. Billie seems to have missed out on that learning, which is really a shame. If you thought I was whittling the argument down to iHeart, I wasn't really because I'd already spent too many posts responding to your other points and I didn't feel like repeating myself. If you have the time, look into them, you might learn something. As far as making a personal assumption about you, that's a pretty flimsy claim. I said you seem like you've never taken any responsibility in your life. And from all of your posts over the past day, that is exactly what anyone would think. Rather than own up to what Billie did, you've made the entire subject taboo by labeling anyone who dares to question his humility and maturity 'a brat who has no idea what addiction is.' So yes, you did present yourself in a manner identical to the one I interpreted. Maybe you're right and it isn't fair to judge someone over a few posts on the internet, but if you can't see the irony in YOU making that statement, then I think you're even more oblivious than I thought. Is it a personal attack to routinely call someone an idiot, brat, or ignorant because they disagree with you? Absolutely. You don't seem to have any shortage of insults either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marrymebilliejoe Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Although you've made clear you won't respond, I hope you'll at least take the time to read this post. It isn't easy to see someone disagree with you about something you love and people let it manipulate them into acting out of character leading to sophomoric personal attacks and constant snide remarks. This is what I will assume has happened to you. You can't be bothered to look inward. This is not an assumption. This is a fact. If you read through your posts from the past day you would see a sickeningly rude, asinine, brat who is tragically oblivious that they are engaging in projection as a defense. I never talked about serious addictions in a bratty way. In fact, all I've ever said was that Billie engaged in an entitled rant at iHeart and looked spoiled. He did. This is not up for debate. "I've been around since 19 fucking 80 fucking 8 and you're gonna give me one fucking minute? You gotta be fucking kidding me! This is a joke, this is a fucking joke. 1 minute I got one fucking minute!" Now Billie belongs in rehab. He needs to get his life on track for the sake of himself, his family, and his friends, but he'll also need to own up to extremely immature way he conducted himself that night. Like it or not, drug abuse at age forty, even if it's addiction is really quite immature. That's why we see teens and young adults make these errors frequently. They need to screw up to learn, well, some do. Billie seems to have missed out on that learning, which is really a shame. If you thought I was whittling the argument down to iHeart, I wasn't really because I'd already spent too many posts responding to your other points and I didn't feel like repeating myself. If you have the time, look into them, you might learn something. As far as making a personal assumption about you, that's a pretty flimsy claim. I said you seem like you've never taken any responsibility in your life. And from all of your posts over the past day, that is exactly what anyone would think. Rather than own up to what Billie did, you've made the entire subject taboo by labeling anyone who dares to question his humility and maturity 'a brat who has no idea what addiction is.' So yes, you did present yourself in a manner identical to the one I interpreted. Maybe you're right and it isn't fair to judge someone over a few posts on the internet, but if you can't see the irony in YOU making that statement, then I think you're even more oblivious than I thought. Is it a personal attack to routinely call someone an idiot, brat, or ignorant because they disagree with you? Absolutely. You don't seem to have any shortage of insults either. I am not trying to engage in world war three here, but I just want to make a comment about the bolded part above... I choose to debate this one fact. Granted, Billie did make some egotistical comments only because he was on the influence of probably countless drugs and alcohol...I mean can we really judge anyone accurately in that state of mind. People say crazy stuff ALL the time when they are drugged up. So, I am not disagreeing that what he said was self-centered, but it wasn't coming from a sober minded person. And I think by checking into rehab he did own up and take responsibility for his actions that night..otherwise if he was as immature as you are making him out to be, then he wouldn't have made that step. And breaking an addiction is difficult, whether you are 15, 35, 55, 95...it doesn't make a difference...most teenagers and young adults who do get into this kind of stuff take years and years to recover. And you make it seem like there are no drug addicts at age 40!? Have you never seen the show, Intervention? Drug abuse isn't reserved for the young. Not even close to it. I am not justifying his rant or what he said or nothing of that business, but I think you are overlooking some things, as least from the way I am reading things. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costellok Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Jesus we get it, some people will praise this band for anything they do, and others get annoyed at the fact that some people will praise the band for anything they do. Who gives a fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I just wanna talk about ¡Dos! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costellok Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 It's weird, I think UNO is the better record but DOS as a whole sounds better to me. "See You Tonight" to "Amy" just flows, while NF to Oh Love just doesn't work as well imo. Though to be fair Dos was probably meant to be like that unlike Uno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 It's weird, I think UNO is the better record but DOS as a whole sounds better to me. "See You Tonight" to "Amy" just flows, while NF to Oh Love just doesn't work as well imo. Though to be fair Dos was probably meant to be like that unlike Uno. Yeah, UNO seems a little less continuous. I mean, it's a Green Day album, and it fits in with everything Pre-AI quite nicely. Dos is a little more solid and... Not narrative, but sound-wise and lyrics wise it does flow well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Does anyone feel like having ¡Dos! makes "Oh Love" a little more tolerable? I wasn't a huge fan of the song when it first debuted, but having it set up the scene for ¡Dos! makes me appreciate it a little more, as I expected. I've actually willingly listened to it a few times, whereas I used to just end ¡Uno! at Rusty James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costellok Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I've actually always liked Oh Love a lot, but the transition from it to See You Tonight is pretty awesome. It's weird, seems like a good amount of people here don't like Oh Love, but I have a couple of friends who absolutely hate Green Day but really liked Oh Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Stop the bitching, this is not the thread, there is a PM system here for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Does anyone feel like having ¡Dos! makes "Oh Love" a little more tolerable? I wasn't a huge fan of the song when it first debuted, but having it set up the scene for ¡Dos! makes me appreciate it a little more, as I expected. I've actually willingly listened to it a few times, whereas I used to just end ¡Uno! at Rusty James. I know exactly what you mean (although I never cut songs out when I listen to an album in full, it feels wrong... could be a little bit of OCD though LOL but I feel it is the proper place to end the album) But "Oh Love" flows very nicely into "See You Tonight", which sets the scene for "Act II", if you will, quite nicely. I have listened to the two albums back to back several times now. Anyone else a fan of the way you can sort of hear those little.... "moments" like you can hear Billie taking a breath, or you can hear his lips moving or something? That sounds really creepy and weird when I say it but ... If you hear it you know what I mean. It contributes to the "live" feeling. It's weird, seems like a good amount of people here don't like Oh Love, but I have a couple of friends who absolutely hate Green Day but really liked Oh Love. I don't think that's weird at all, I think that's exactly it: to Green Day fans it doesn't sound like what they like; to someone who hates Green Day, it might be more palatable because it doesn't sound like the Green Day that they don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know exactly what you mean (although I never cut songs out when I listen to an album in full, it feels wrong... could be a little bit of OCD though LOL but I feel it is the proper place to end the album) But "Oh Love" flows very nicely into "See You Tonight", which sets the scene for "Act II", if you will, quite nicely. I have listened to the two albums back to back several times now. Anyone else a fan of the way you can sort of hear those little.... "moments" like you can hear Billie taking a breath, or you can hear his lips moving or something? That sounds really creepy and weird when I say it but ... If you hear it you know what I mean. It contributes to the "live" feeling. No, I completely understand what you mean! Not creepy at all! And sometimes I just found myself stopping at Rusty James without even thinking about it. Like, nothing compelled me to listen to Oh Love. But suddenly it changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I am not trying to engage in world war three here, but I just want to make a comment about the bolded part above... I choose to debate this one fact. Granted, Billie did make some egotistical comments only because he was on the influence of probably countless drugs and alcohol...I mean can we really judge anyone accurately in that state of mind. People say crazy stuff ALL the time when they are drugged up. So, I am not disagreeing that what he said was self-centered, but it wasn't coming from a sober minded person. And I think by checking into rehab he did own up and take responsibility for his actions that night..otherwise if he was as immature as you are making him out to be, then he wouldn't have made that step. And breaking an addiction is difficult, whether you are 15, 35, 55, 95...it doesn't make a difference...most teenagers and young adults who do get into this kind of stuff take years and years to recover. And you make it seem like there are no drug addicts at age 40!? Have you never seen the show, Intervention? Drug abuse isn't reserved for the young. Not even close to it. I am not justifying his rant or what he said or nothing of that business, but I think you are overlooking some things, as least from the way I am reading things. That is all. Don't worry about ww3. I don't have a problem with people who engage me respectfully. I do agree that his entry into rehab shows some recognition that he made a mistake but I'd prefer to hear it from Billies mouth. I also understand how crippling addiction can be and that people say things almost uncontrolably but addiction is a byproduct of an internal problem as much as it is a disease and Billie also needs to work on that if he wants to fully recover. Just do you know, the reason Im pushing this aspect do much is that I've had two friends kick drugs in their rehab clinics but fail to adjust the behavior that got them there. One fell right back into drugs and the other got addicted to gambling because he didnt actually curb his addictive tendencies or his underlying problems. I'm really nt trying to fight anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Does anyone feel like having ¡Dos! makes "Oh Love" a little more tolerable? I wasn't a huge fan of the song when it first debuted, but having it set up the scene for ¡Dos! makes me appreciate it a little more, as I expected. I've actually willingly listened to it a few times, whereas I used to just end ¡Uno! at Rusty James. I liked Oh Love from the beginning, so I get to the same place for different reasons I think. The transition between the two albums is, as literature set to music goes, fantastic, and it actually begins a few songs before Oh Love hits. I think it starts with Sweet 16 where our narrator looks almost mournfully at a pleasant but no-longer-satisfying family life; then we hit the deep "fuck! I really *am* all alone out here, even all my old friends are gone!" of Rusty James -- and *then* that's when Oh Love drops. It's the "yeah, yeah, I'm surrendering to the lust and I'm finally gonna do it" -- the creepy old man's fucked-up idea of a solution for what's ailing him. Slide from there into the "prepping yourself mentally for what's ahead" in See You Tonight, and finally the party begins with Fuck Time. The brilliance in this isn't just in the songs in and of themselves, but also in how Green Day has strung them together -- without using named characters this time -- to make a coherent story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I liked Oh Love from the beginning, so I get to the same place for different reasons I think. The transition between the two albums is, as literature set to music goes, fantastic, and it actually begins a few songs before Oh Love hits. I think it starts with Sweet 16 where our narrator looks almost mournfully at a pleasant but no-longer-satisfying family life; then we hit the deep "fuck! I really *am* all alone out here, even all my old friends are gone!" of Rusty James -- and *then* that's when Oh Love drops. It's the "yeah, yeah, I'm surrendering to the lust and I'm finally gonna do it" -- the "creepy old man" remedy for what's ailing him. Slide from there into the "prepping yourself mentally for what's ahead" in See You Tonight, and finally the party begins with Fuck Time. The brilliance in this isn't just in the songs in and of themselves, but also in how Green Day has strung them together -- without using named characters this time -- to make a coherent story. Man, your storyline analysis for this is much deeper than anything I could have ever thought of! But regardless if there's actually a story in it or not, there definitely are some interesting themes addressed in these albums, the indirect "midlife crisis" thing people keep referencing. But also kind of relating this to what some people were saying above, I REALLY like "See You Tonight," more than I expected to, because I'm usually not a huge fan of intro. songs. But transitionally, it works very well. And considering "Fuck Time" is my favorite song from ¡Dos!, it's an epic set up for the amazingness that is that song. Kicking off the album with "Fuck Time" wouldn't have worked as well without that little set up in "See You Tonight," in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Has anyone seen the Stray Heart video on mtv at all? I know when Oh love came out, I seen it a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I dunno, I don't see it as being as deliberate as all that, cause personally I tend to go on feelings... It just "feels" like the songs work really well in this order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Man, your storyline analysis for this is much deeper than anything I could have ever thought of! But regardless if there's actually a story in it or not, there definitely are some interesting themes addressed in these albums, the indirect "midlife crisis" thing people keep referencing. But also kind of relating this to what some people were saying above, I REALLY like "See You Tonight," more than I expected to, because I'm usually not a huge fan of intro. songs. But transitionally, it works very well. And considering "Fuck Time" is my favorite song from ¡Dos!, it's an epic set up for the amazingness that is that song. Kicking off the album with "Fuck Time" wouldn't have worked as well without that little set up in "See You Tonight," in my opinion. See You Tonight gave me chills from the moment I first heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah it definitely caught me off guard when I first heard it, I was like... Whoa. *shiver*. But now I have stronger feelings for most of the other songs on the album, so even though I like it, it kind of blurs by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah it definitely caught me off guard when I first heard it, I was like... Whoa. *shiver*. But now I have stronger feelings for most of the other songs on the album, so even though I like it, it kind of blurs by. Still like it -- as a short "curtain-up" style intro before the second act, it kicks the shit out of, say, Song of the Century. I wish they'd do a full-length track in a similar style, they really nailed that 60's-era Simon & Garfunkel flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I do like it, I just don't have as strong of feelings for it as I do for the rest of the album, cause for one thing, it is so short! But they totally nailed the style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeper Agent. Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just wanted to point out something that I "noticed" while listening, and actually on my very first listen, to Baby Eyes. There's the line "They say my middle name is danger". This must definetly be a reference to Billie's second son, Jakob Danger Armstrong.. "the kind you keep away from strangers" Damn, I bet he had those lines in his head since 1998, or earlier. But hey, he even admitted that it "took" him many years to write Uptight (Or was it Scattered?), but actually it was started and continued years later.. I think that has been said a few times before. thought, it does make sense that other people have pointed out it is about Billie Joe himself, I think it could be about the background of his family, just by the complied information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snark Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Has anyone seen the Stray Heart video on mtv at all? I know when Oh love came out, I seen it a few times. I haven't seen any videos on mtv at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeper Agent. Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I haven't seen any videos on mtv at all. That would also imply the "M" in MTV stood for music, it stands for "Miscellaneous" , right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I haven't seen any videos on mtv at all. Well they definitely played Oh Love a good amount of times on mtv2 and vh1, but I have yet to see Stray Heart at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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