inthehallwaynow Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 guys, what's the meaning of Stop when the red lights flash in you opinion??? Someone here said that maybe It's about going with prostitutes, I ve never seen it in that way, but now I think It could be right....what do you think? Driving safety tips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 guys, what's the meaning of Stop when the red lights flash in you opinion??? Someone here said that maybe It's about going with prostitutes, I ve never seen it in that way, but now I think It could be right....what do you think? I think it's just about following that little warning light in your head when you're at a party, remember your place in life and don't do anything that will cause collateral damage on your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Or can the trilogy have nothing to do at all with AI and the St Jimmy reference, and instead be about what they said it was going to be about, which is the whole party thing and nothing more? Billie writes *very* autobiographically. He's said so himself on many occasions. He chronicles his own experiences through music, and I don't think the trilogy is any exception to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 How about people just don't like the albums! How about some people just don't like how the songs sound or what the lyrics are? Why do you have to give a negative reason if someone doesn't like the new albums? I just think the last two albums sounded better and had better lyrics! Just my opinion though! You won't tell me Dos sounds great, it doesn't to me. Good for you. I already discussed this with the Admin, so forgive me for being a lazy bones my response here. Pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Ok...the fuck?! Firstly are you suggesting that Green Day have too much "liberty" and control over their OWN music?! And aparantly THAT is why they "arent selling"?! Lmao...you are a riot...you do realise they released two independent records before Dookie right? And they have had the same "liberty" with all their records as these ones. Perhaps they arent selling to your standards because it isnt 1994 (when punk/grunge scene was THE biggest scene in music) or 2004 when Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance would take every MTV award and nobody had even heard of Katy Perry/Bieber/Rhianna. Trends...music trends...Insomniac is a gem, Nimrod is a gem yet they fell foul of the trends of the time...destined to be overlooked. American Idiot is brilliant but it isnt massive just because its a great album...it is massive because of timing. The trilogy doesnt stand a chance when it has to be played alongside the current music trends. Green Days music however does not rely on fickle trends to survive. Promotion never hurts either though its rather hard to do when the lead singer is in rehab. Despite this their album sales arent too terribly affected (i mean seriously noone knows Dos even exists!). Those of us who do for the record seem pretty damn fond of it (i dont know where your boycotters are from?!). Do I love all the songs? No. Do i love all the songs on any GD album? No. Do i love most? Yes. Are some lyrics non-inspiring eg Makeout Party? Yes. Did i feel the same about songs on all other GD albums eg Christians Inferno, Know Your Enemy etc? Duh yes. As for SWTRLF i think that song is pretty easy to decipher and just as meaningful as anything off Dookie. As for your comment about Billie being too accomplished in various fields and therefore thinking he can do what he wants/record vocals sloppily or whatever...just wow. The idea of the sound of all three albums as explained in numerous interviews was a "live sound"...hence slight imperfections, more raw sound to the vocals and even a hey ho in Stay The Night. Its hillariously ironic that before Uno came out fsns bitched about 21c Breakdown and how his vocals sounded too polished. Billie and GD have achieved LOTS in their careers but never shown a hint of ego and their passion for music is what drives them forward. Suggesting they threw these albums out for the hell if it without quadrouple checking/overanalysing every detail suggests you havent paid attention to the perfectionists these guys are. Finally your absolutely sickening comment about Billies "rant" barely deserves a response. The guy is in rehab. Mike has said his life is in danger. Rob Cavallo even felt the need to inform idiots who aparantly dont understand the meaning of substance abuse that his rehab was no joke. Billie has according to Mike had issues for some time and that night at the festival what we watched was an addict finally breaking down right in front of the world...for 99% of non idiots that was heartwrenching to watch. For the other 1% yeah...it was a guy with a bloated ego who feels entitled and just decided to tell everyone who he fucking is and fucking who he fucking isnt...just like you do when you feel entitled...right after you expose youself, swear excessively (even for someone who loves to), make a fool of yourself trying to lure people onstage to dance and of course sound like shit throughout your set...because you are entitled. Sometimes i wonder how stupid people can really be... Okay I guess I'm going to have to go through point by point. Number one I am suggesting that the quality control is not up to par. I am suggesting that Billie may be unable to correctly assess his own music because his ego has inflated. He's always been somewhat arrogant (not always but since around nimrod) and his comment that he feels immortal is a good indication of where his head has been. Number two. Insomniac is green days third best selling album and came out the year after dookie. That was one hell of a fast trend. Nimrod could've definitely benefitted from some trimming which probably explained some of the backlash. Number three. UNO sold 130000 first week copies and all of those copies referenced dos. People were not oblivious to dos, they were disappointed with UNO. Number 4. They've said the last three records have been made from a live playing perspective. Why are UNO and dos the only ones that sound flat and contain vocal missteps? Also let's not take the. And at their word on all of this. They've contradicted themselves and flat out lied in interviews before and it's a pretty fair assumption that they'd do it again. Number 5. Your persistant ad hominem attacks do nothing but make you look desperate. You just said it's idiotic to make assumptions without knowing someone yet you've been doing that the whole time. This is an opportunity for you to reflect on a lost battle and learn and mature from it. Please don't waste it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Holly Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 This is an opportunity for you to reflect on a lost battle and learn and mature from it. Please don't waste it. ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Okay I guess I'm going to have to go through point by point. Number one I am suggesting that the quality control is not up to par. I am suggesting that Billie may be unable to correctly assess his own music because his ego has inflated. He's always been somewhat arrogant (not always but since around nimrod) and his comment that he feels immortal is a good indication of where his head has been. Number two. Insomniac is green days third best selling album and came out the year after dookie. That was one hell of a fast trend. Nimrod could've definitely benefitted from some trimming which probably explained some of the backlash. Number three. UNO sold 130000 first week copies and all of those copies referenced dos. People were not oblivious to dos, they were disappointed with UNO. Number 4. They've said the last three records have been made from a live playing perspective. Why are UNO and dos the only ones that sound flat and contain vocal missteps? Also let's not take the. And at their word on all of this. They've contradicted themselves and flat out lied in interviews before and it's a pretty fair assumption that they'd do it again. Number 5. Your persistant ad hominem attacks do nothing but make you look desperate. You just said it's idiotic to make assumptions without knowing someone yet you've been doing that the whole time. This is an opportunity for you to reflect on a lost battle and learn and mature from it. Please don't waste it. They might have said they wrote AI and 21CB songs to play live, but they actually miked the room they were recording in so it sounded like they were playing it live. This is the first time they've done this, so you can't really compare these 'mistakes' to any of their other records. The truth is, if they trimmed it down themselves, you'd probably have just as much of a problem with it, because their idea of a good song is quite evidently much different than yours. Dragging Billie Joe's ego into this makes it seem like you're grasping at straws. There are now three other people in this band, who all have a say in what content they put out. Also, I really think you're overestimating the public. Just because they bought UNO, glanced at a little insert that mentioned DOS, but didn't buy it doesn't mean they were disappointed in UNO. The sales can't say that either. Like people have said, we're in a much different musical climate right now. Rock music isn't very popular, which is most likely why Oh Love failed to chart extremely well, and why most casual music fans didn't buy UNO or DOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KilltheDJ23 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So i didn't really know where to post this since im fairly new to the forum, but i just wanted to know if anyone kinda liked this better then original also??? kinda feel hella bad for liking this better though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 "We're all crazy, you're all crazy now. We're so crazy, you've all gone insane!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 "We're all crazy, you're all crazy now. We're so crazy, you've all gone insane!" Pretty much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'd love to be in a world famous band just from this example right here. People make you out to be A LOT smarter than you really are. It must be a real self-esteem booster. Last I checked, people contribute and participate here for intelligent discussion about Green Day, not to be on the receiving end of spiteful abuse. Peace out, buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 They might have said they wrote AI and 21CB songs to play live, but they actually miked the room they were recording in so it sounded like they were playing it live. This is the first time they've done this, so you can't really compare these 'mistakes' to any of their other records. The truth is, if they trimmed it down themselves, you'd probably have just as much of a problem with it, because their idea of a good song is quite evidently much different than yours. Dragging Billie Joe's ego into this makes it seem like you're grasping at straws. There are now three other people in this band, who all have a say in what content they put out. Also, I really think you're overestimating the public. Just because they bought UNO, glanced at a little insert that mentioned DOS, but didn't buy it doesn't mean they were disappointed in UNO. The sales can't say that either. Like people have said, we're in a much different musical climate right now. Rock music isn't very popular, which is most likely why Oh Love failed to chart extremely well, and why most casual music fans didn't buy UNO or DOS. Well Billie writes the songs. He's responsible for the lyrics and the main riffs and as far as I know for this album mike an tre didn't initiate the song writing process for any track which means Billie was essentially in complete control I what got made. I don't think it's out of line to assume he overestimated himself. And if people were really intrigued by UNO they would've looked into dos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Well Billie writes the songs. He's responsible for the lyrics and the main riffs and as far as I know for this album mike an tre didn't initiate the song writing process for any track which means Billie was essentially in complete control I what got made. I don't think it's out of line to assume he overestimated himself. And if people were really intrigued by UNO they would've looked into dos. It's not out of line to think that, no. I think this argument has gotten dragged out to the point, where we've got to realize that it's all just a matter of opinion. Sales numbers can't be directly linked to lack of quality, because everyone's opinion on that is different, there's not one singular definition of what is quality and what is not. You might think Billie did a poor job of keeping filler out of the trilogy, many people agree with you. I believe he did a great job writing these songs, and I feel like they're all very strong, there are also many people that agree with me. Same thing with sales numbers, some people think UNO and DOS are doing pretty well, given the circumstances and musical climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Holly Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I still can't really get into iDos! in the same way I got into iUno! There's been too much going on and I haven't had enough time to try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeaceMucker Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Gotta love and respect the energy of DOS, but it just didn't hit that sweet spot like UNO. The first listen of UNO was like reuniting with your best friend. DOS at times feels awkward, and falls flat in other areas. Too early to really tell. More listens on the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marrymebilliejoe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Wow...I feel like part of the minority (no pun intended...or maybe it is ) I absolutely can NOT get enough of Dos! This album has been on repeat since I have gotten it xD To me, the songs flow from one song to the next. And it just...well rocks xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Okay I guess I'm going to have to go through point by point. Number one I am suggesting that the quality control is not up to par. I am suggesting that Billie may be unable to correctly assess his own music because his ego has inflated. He's always been somewhat arrogant (not always but since around nimrod) and his comment that he feels immortal is a good indication of where his head has been. Number two. Insomniac is green days third best selling album and came out the year after dookie. That was one hell of a fast trend. Nimrod could've definitely benefitted from some trimming which probably explained some of the backlash. Number three. UNO sold 130000 first week copies and all of those copies referenced dos. People were not oblivious to dos, they were disappointed with UNO. Number 4. They've said the last three records have been made from a live playing perspective. Why are UNO and dos the only ones that sound flat and contain vocal missteps? Also let's not take the. And at their word on all of this. They've contradicted themselves and flat out lied in interviews before and it's a pretty fair assumption that they'd do it again. Number 5. Your persistant ad hominem attacks do nothing but make you look desperate. You just said it's idiotic to make assumptions without knowing someone yet you've been doing that the whole time. This is an opportunity for you to reflect on a lost battle and learn and mature from it. Please don't waste it. I am so over discussing anything with you...it is so funny to see you use the word mature though given your posts over the last day. I also love taking advice to "reflect" from someone who posts about serious addiction like a bratty child. I have not made a single assumption about you (unlike the very personal ones you made about me). Also if you think me having a difference of opinion than you is an "attack" then perhaps you need some reflection of your own. You can respond to this all you like...seems all you want to do is bitch out Dos (and Billie of course ) anyway so im outta this topic till you get bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snark Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 guys, what's the meaning of Stop when the red lights flash in you opinion??? Someone here said that maybe It's about going with prostitutes, I ve never seen it in that way, but now I think It could be right....what do you think? The Red Light District and cop cars...bad choices and their consequences. Oh, the St. Jimmy thing... I dunno, there is nothing deep or over analytical about comparing the devil on your shoulder to St Jimmy... St Jimmy is a manifestation of that dark side, and temptation, as is Lady Cobra in both Lady Cobra and Nightlife... It is a comparison made, really, it doesn't matter the intentions. It's perfectly observable, even though it is unlikely that one had anything to do with the other in the writing process. I don't think Billie even realized the comparisons when he was writing the songs. If that was (and it obviously has been) his frame of mind, this sort of thing was bound to happen. Well Billie writes the songs. He's responsible for the lyrics and the main riffs and as far as I know for this album mike an tre didn't initiate the song writing process for any track which means Billie was essentially in complete control I what got made. I don't think it's out of line to assume he overestimated himself. And if people were really intrigued by UNO they would've looked into dos. You're right, I'm right, we're all right, now let's go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So i didn't really know where to post this since im fairly new to the forum, but i just wanted to know if anyone kinda liked this better then original also??? kinda feel hella bad for liking this better though lol I think with it being slowed down gives it a more dramatic feel to it. When I hear it sped up like it was in this video, I don't get the same feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wow...I feel like part of the minority (no pun intended...or maybe it is :P/>) I absolutely can NOT get enough of Dos! This album has been on repeat since I have gotten it xD To me, the songs flow from one song to the next. And it just...well rocks xD I agree totally. The only reason Ieven stopped listening to ¡Dos! 100% of the time is so I could refresh ¡Uno! And play them both in order on a playlist xP. But I have played ¡Dos! About 30 times as a whole.I don't think Billie even realized the comparisons when he was writing the songs. If that was (and it obviously has been) his frame of mind, this sort of thing was bound to happen. Well that is what I am saying, he is the same guy, he might not repeat the themes on purpose, but because he is the same guy he still has some of the same feelings and is moved to write by the same moments/people/characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froshen Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just wanted to point out something that I "noticed" while listening, and actually on my very first listen, to Baby Eyes. There's the line "They say my middle name is danger". This must definetly be a reference to Billie's second son, Jakob Danger Armstrong.. "the kind you keep away from strangers" Damn, I bet he had those lines in his head since 1998, or earlier. But hey, he even admitted that it "took" him many years to write Uptight (Or was it Scattered?), but actually it was started and continued years later.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 At this point the only song I don't care for is Maybe I'll see you tonight, I just find it boring and it doesn't really have a deeper message to be pondered upon. I just imagine Billie getting ready for a friday night out, humming the melody to himself as he does his hair in a random bathroom mirror. He also does his hair like Ted in HIMYM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just wanted to point out something that I "noticed" while listening, and actually on my very first listen, to Baby Eyes. There's the line "They say my middle name is danger". This must definetly be a reference to Billie's second son, Jakob Danger Armstrong.. "the kind you keep away from strangers" Damn, I bet he had those lines in his head since 1998, or earlier. But hey, he even admitted that it "took" him many years to write Uptight (Or was it Scattered?), but actually it was started and continued years later.. It's not necessarily a reference to his son, that's an old line, and Billie wasn't the first to have it. At this point the only song I don't care for is Maybe I'll see you tonight, I just find it boring and it doesn't really have a deeper message to be pondered upon. I just imagine Billie getting ready for a friday night out, humming the melody to himself as he does his hair in a random bathroom mirror. He also does his hair like Ted in HIMYM I think it is a sweet little song, just a good introduction to the record, sets the tone and all that, nothing more, and nothing less. It doesn't stick with me, but it is about on par (for me) with "song of the century" in that... It's not really meant to be anything more than it is. An introduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I think it is a sweet little song, just a good introduction to the record, sets the tone and all that, nothing more, and nothing less. It doesn't stick with me, but it is about on par (for me) with "song of the century" in that... It's not really meant to be anything more than it is. An introduction. I know, I just can't fit it in with all of those pump ass rock songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know, I just can't fit it in with all of those pump ass rock songs. Fair enough, haha. I mean, it's different from all the rest so it's understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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