Backyard Skulls Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 i've been listening to dos solidly for about a week now and i love it <3 i prefer it so much more over uno. Can't wait for Tre though I think that'll blow both of these out of the water. favourite songs are lazy bones, wow! that's loud and ashley. I love the raw sound, I'm glad Billie has gone back to playing solos in albums like 1039/Kerplunk again. Same goes for Mike, the bass on Stray Heart and Makeout Part is I quite like fuck time. I just see it as a fun song, not meant to be taken seriously. I thought the whole point of the trilogy was for Green Day to ditch the seriousness of AI and 21CB and get back to basics? Nightlife is growing on me, I like the distortion in Billie's voice but the rap is a bit meh. /2cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaz. Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 why cant we all be friends If you like the albums, cool. If you don't like the albums, cool. There are a handful of songs across the whole catalogue that I can happily not listen to, including a couple from Uno and Dos. However, I see no point in speculating or finding reasons to let that overshadow everything else. I don't care about whether they are in the chart or not, it's not something I'm expecting at all right now. I feel extremely lucky that we have new music from them let alone 3 albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iltrenta Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't get the "year of the rat" reference in Baby eyes, what does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Good god...proof that you never actually READ anyones actual posts...you pick out a few words out of an entire post such as "pulled a knife" and act like it came from nowhere...the most significant thing you have said since this all started is "i havent the foggiest idea what you are talking about" and you see...therein lies the problem. Noone here has time to educate ignorant people about serious addiction. We are Green Day fans...we may not like every song on every album but we respect the artists behind the music which is more than can be said for you. Hopefully this will be the last time I have to explain this to you. Addiction is serious. No one is disputing that as far as I can tell. The problem is that people are still responsible for the words that come out of their mouths and the actions they take. You seem like the type of person who hasn't taken the blame for anything in your life. If you lit a match and your house caught fire, you'd probably blame the match. Take responsibility. If you want to respect the artist, you need to accept the obvious flaws. Just saying Billie has an addiction problem and excusing his behavior IS NOT respect, it's delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Yeah, I made a comment awhile back about her not being a real person in the song, per se, as much as an idea, and in my mind I very much thought of her as a St. Jimmy. Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks that. I think the general feeling about this album is that it is a sign of a lot of darkness, and while I do believe it does show a lot of darkness, I don't think that this is the sort of tragic, end-of-the-world, ticking-time-bomb kind of darkness that everyone is saying, and that there is also a good deal of superficially just fun to be had. When I first listened to the album, it was very dark and very sexy. (Well, it still is that, but the feeling isn't so strong now that I've listened about 25 times). But I feel like I can have a lot of fun listening to this, too. And I feel like... it does also come from a place of enjoying things... They say that it is like a party that sort of goes to hell, and that's pretty much the vibe I get. There is craziness, but it isn't as though it is all, 100% bad. I want to draw a parallel with American Idiot (Broadway) here -- as we all know, at the start of Homecoming we have The Death of St. Jimmy. For those of you who have seen the show -- as Michael Mayer (with Billie's guidance behind him of course) interpreted this for the stage, we have St. Jimmy standing on top of the rolling scaffolding, with his back to the audience, shooting himself with a fake pistol after the lyric "in my own private suicide." The gag "BANG!" flag pops out of the gun and St. Jimmy falls gently backward off the scaffolding, the ensemble catches him and carries him off stage left. As he's making his exit, he grins and waves in jest, an "I'm dead but not really" kind-of farewell. Weaving this into the AI storyline, I took this to mean that St. Jimmy is just pushed into the background for now. He doesn't have an active, fun-but-destructive grip on the character anymore, but he's still there waiting for the right time to re-emerge. I think U/D/T chronicles The Return of St. Jimmy. He's back, he's back with a vengeance, he's a bit dirty-old-man creepy, and he's not so much fun to be around this time. Even though the albums themselves are done, Billie is just reaching the end of his rehab treatments now.....and thus the final chapters have not yet been written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknovella Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't get the "year of the rat" reference in Baby eyes, what does that mean? I'm pretty sure it's referring to the Chinese calendar, where an animal represents each year. Billie may have picked year of the rat because it's vermin and maybe that represents the character he's singing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think U/D/T chronicles The Return of St. Jimmy. He's back, he's back with a vengeance, he's a bit dirty-old-man creepy, and he's not so much fun to be around this time. Even though the albums themselves are done, Billie is just reaching the end of his rehab treatments now.....and thus the final chapters have not yet been written. Or can the trilogy have nothing to do at all with AI and the St Jimmy reference, and instead be about what they said it was going to be about, which is the whole party thing and nothing more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkriegdeb Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Or can the trilogy have nothing to do at all with AI and the St Jimmy reference, and instead be about what they said it was going to be about, which is the whole party thing and nothing more? More than likely yeah, but it's still an interesting and well thought out connection that's something to kind of think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm well aware of that, and I can assure you there are songs I'm not fond of, things I've disagreed with, things that haven't quite lived up to my expectations, etc so I'm not one of those people who love's everything they do without thinking for myself. My main point really was that I'm just surprised by how many people were disappointed. I know there are people who give thought out, legitimate reasons and that's fair enough, they're not the people I'm talking about here. Judging by the response to my post I can tell I'm not alone in my opinion :)/> No DUH you're not alone in your opinion, this is a Green Day FAN site. 75% of the people here would praise anything they'd do. Go look at any other non Green Day affliated site and your opinion will start feeling a hell of a lot lonlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknovella Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 No DUH you're not alone in your opinion, this is a Green Day FAN site. 75% of the people here would praise anything they'd do. Go look at any other non Green Day affliated site and your opinion will start feeling a hell of a lot lonlier. DUH You don't realize how predictable your post was. Yawn. Anyway, yeah I know that...not exactly rocket science asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I want to draw a parallel with American Idiot (Broadway) here -- as we all know, at the start of Homecoming we have The Death of St. Jimmy. For those of you who have seen the show -- as Michael Mayer (with Billie's guidance behind him of course) interpreted this for the stage, we have St. Jimmy standing on top of the rolling scaffolding, with his back to the audience, shooting himself with a fake pistol after the lyric "in my own private suicide." The gag "BANG!" flag pops out of the gun and St. Jimmy falls gently backward off the scaffolding, the ensemble catches him and carries him off stage left. As he's making his exit, he grins and waves in jest, an "I'm dead but not really" kind-of farewell. Weaving this into the AI storyline, I took this to mean that St. Jimmy is just pushed into the background for now. He doesn't have an active, fun-but-destructive grip on the character anymore, but he's still there waiting for the right time to re-emerge. I think U/D/T chronicles The Return of St. Jimmy. He's back, he's back with a vengeance, he's a bit dirty-old-man creepy, and he's not so much fun to be around this time. Even though the albums themselves are done, Billie is just reaching the end of his rehab treatments now.....and thus the final chapters have not yet been written. I'd love to be in a world famous band just from this example right here. People make you out to be A LOT smarter than you really are. It must be a real self-esteem booster. DUH You don't realize how predictable your post was. Yawn. Anyway, yeah I know that...not exactly rocket science asshole. Predictable? Your post is pratically a sterotype in here. And to be honest, the whole "Yawn" thing makes you look like the dick here. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknovella Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'd love to be in a world famous band just from this example right here. People make you out to be A LOT smarter than you really are. Predictible? Your post is pratically a sterotype in here. I don't think you can question the bands intelligence considering you don't know them personally. I'm not here to argue over the internet anyway, I have better things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Or can the trilogy have nothing to do at all with AI and the St Jimmy reference, and instead be about what they said it was going to be about, which is the whole party thing and nothing more? I'd love to be in a world famous band just from this example right here. People make you out to be A LOT smarter than you really are. I think he means more of the St. Jimmy in Billie's real life, rather than on the album. Like, the demons in his life aren't fully gone. And no one can argue that's a lie, given recent circumstances. I don't think he sat down and was like "Hey, for the trilogy, I'm gonna write St. Jimmy part 2!" but you can't dispute the fact that writing is never done in a vacuum. Real life situations impact your writing in one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't think you can question the bands intelligence considering you don't know them personally. I'm not here to argue over the internet anyway, I have better things to do. I wasn't talking to you. And yeah, I'm fairly certain that they didn't intend for these albums to be anyway connected to AI, because I'm sure they'd probably say so, and hell that might have spurred up more hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknovella Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I wasn't talking to you. And yeah, I'm fairly certain that they didn't intend for these albums to be anyway connected to AI, because I'm sure they'd probably say so, and hell that might have spurred up more hype. I wasn't talking to you on the post you first quoted either so there goes your backwards ass logic. We're on a forum...posts are there to be discussed, just because you quoted someone doesn't mean no one else can offer an opinion or thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think he means more of the St. Jimmy in Billie's real life, rather than on the album. Like, the demons in his life aren't fully gone. And no one can argue that's a lie, given recent circumstances. I don't think he sat down and was like "Hey, for the trilogy, I'm gonna write St. Jimmy part 2!" but you can't dispute the fact that writing is never done in a vacuum. Real life situations impact your writing in one way or another. Considering St. Jimmy is sort of a metaphorical representation of a dark Billie then yeah. But anything someone writes can be connected to anything else, since it's from the same person. That just such a condensed, specific interpretation that seems highly unlikely and that was intended as much as it was interpreted. I wasn't talking to you on the post you first quoted either so there goes your backwards ass logic. We're on a forum...posts are there to be discussed, just because you quoted someone doesn't mean no one else can offer an opinion or thought. But...you said I was arguing with you when I wasn't..because I wasn't talking to you. I'd say that's some backwards ass logic to be honest...and why so hostile? I'd say this is bad attempt at Wild N Out on your part than an actual discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenDayKidd Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Listening to DOS when it leaked was perfect, but now (since I've got an actuall CD) is even better. I know it doesn't make any sense, but for the whole perfection I need to have an actually CD. And even now I can't decide which is my fav song from DOS. And once again: Mike backing vocals are awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think he means more of the St. Jimmy in Billie's real life, rather than on the album. Like, the demons in his life aren't fully gone. And no one can argue that's a lie, given recent circumstances. I don't think he sat down and was like "Hey, for the trilogy, I'm gonna write St. Jimmy part 2!" but you can't dispute the fact that writing is never done in a vacuum. Real life situations impact your writing in one way or another. Maybe. I guess I just feel as if it's nothing deep or any hidden messages in these songs that need over analyzing. They're pretty straightforward, but I guess more interpretations are welcomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I don't get the "year of the rat" reference in Baby eyes, what does that mean? Chinese zodiac. Billie Joe was born in 1972, in the year of the rat. Oh, the St. Jimmy thing... I dunno, there is nothing deep or over analytical about comparing the devil on your shoulder to St Jimmy... St Jimmy is a manifestation of that dark side, and temptation, as is Lady Cobra in both Lady Cobra and Nightlife... It is a comparison made, really, it doesn't matter the intentions. It's perfectly observable, even though it is unlikely that one had anything to do with the other in the writing process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iltrenta Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Chinese zodiac. Billie Joe was born in 1972, in the year of the rat. it makes sense with the next verse, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter. Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 They haven't been planning a trilogy for awhile. The idea came up during 21st Century Breakdown of a "three part story"; that became the three "acts" of that album. This trilogy came from the idea that "hey, we're writing all this music and we like it, its fun and simple, so let's release it all, at least for the fans". To me it seems like these have been their most fan-driven albums and their most personally-driven albums. It's a shame that people on here aren't receiving them well because of expectations and an apparent love for introspection and the theatrical. How about people just don't like the albums! How about some people just don't like how the songs sound or what the lyrics are? Why do you have to give a negative reason if someone doesn't like the new albums? I just think the last two albums sounded better and had better lyrics! Just my opinion though! You won't tell me Dos sounds great, it doesn't to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Hopefully this will be the last time I have to explain this to you. Addiction is serious. No one is disputing that as far as I can tell. The problem is that people are still responsible for the words that come out of their mouths and the actions they take. You seem like the type of person who hasn't taken the blame for anything in your life. If you lit a match and your house caught fire, you'd probably blame the match. Take responsibility. If you want to respect the artist, you need to accept the obvious flaws. Just saying Billie has an addiction problem and excusing his behavior IS NOT respect, it's delusion. You are hillarious. Judging peoples lives based on a few internet posts? Bravo. For the record i was "taking responsibility" in many aspects of life before you were even born. You have no idea of how wrong that statement is...it merely shows how utterly childish and judgemental you are. You are trying to whittle our entire "disagreement" down to being about iheart and you are now suggesting i think Billie should be "excused" for his bad behaviour (haha again you fail entirely to have any grasp on the situation)...my initial post explains that i think you are an idiot for numerous reasons (not least because of your comments about iheart but not only because of them either). Frankly at this point i couldnt be bothered arguing with someone who has less logic and understanding of the english language than my one year old niece. This forum is for discussing Dos not your issues with Billie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I was browsing around my Xbox's home screen and on the music section they have Green Day-"window"/ad (I'm not sure what they're really called). Dos is also listed on their "Featured music" -section. That's nice promotion for the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelBlue_ Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 guys, what's the meaning of Stop when the red lights flash in you opinion??? Someone here said that maybe It's about going with prostitutes, I ve never seen it in that way, but now I think It could be right....what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarPunk94 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 guys, what's the meaning of Stop when the red lights flash in you opinion??? Someone here said that maybe It's about going with prostitutes, I ve never seen it in that way, but now I think It could be right....what do you think? quotes like 'ill make you surrender' in context with the idea behind the trilogy make me think its right if we say the meaning has to do sth with prostitutes/rough sex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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