BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Idiotic accusations?! Ha...i didnt accuse you of anything i just called you an idiot. They have ALWAYS joked around about being "the best" band at blah or the greatest band playing wherever. They have done it since 94 possibly before...you need to open your eyes and recognise the hint if sarcastic arrogance ever present in the band and indeed most punk bands. Also i know you never mentioned substance abuse you idiot and thats my point...Billie was NOT just throwing his toys out of the stroller...he was high as fuck/drunk as fuck or both and you think it was a "hissy fit". Well i haven't the energy or the inclination to point out how flawed your judgement is. It was indeed a hissy fit and it's embarrassing for a forty year old man to be in that situation anyway. He was like my uncle on new years eve except he was on a live broadcast. Just because someone is abusing a substance doesn't justify their behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTH Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I actually just love good albums. Uno delivered. Dos did not. other way around. and i said it a thousand times and now a thousand one: both could have been incredible albums if they would have recorded it with the their older distorted guitar sound. i hate those thin guitars in both albums.... but on dos it doesn't matter as much as on uno, cause the songs already have more power in their nature than the songs on uno. but uno has the kind of songs where you need those classic gd guitars. it just feels like there is something missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I absolutely love Baby Eyes. Straight up 80's punk right there, that and "Ashley". I think a lot of people dismissed those two songs at first because back to back they're the most similar (and familiar) sounding songs on the album, but they're fucking great; I almost get a Social Distortion feel from those tunes. Ooh these songs...too much love for them! Yes is straight up 80s punk...i have to say i was driving my mum (who is 66) to town and shit the other day and she flipped on Dos...later on the main street she was singing "i was born to kill!!". So proud of my mum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 other way around. and i said it a thousand times and now a thousand one: both could have been incredible albums if they would have recorded it with the their older distorted guitar sound. i hate those thin guitars in both albums.... but on dos it doesn't matter as much as on uno, cause the songs already have more power in their nature than the songs on uno. but uno is the kind of sound where you need those classic gd guitars. it just feels like there is something missing Eh, well that's a matter of taste, I like the classic "Green Day" guitar sound too, but I think with the cleaner guitars they were channeling the earlier days of rock'n'roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Lazy Bones is totally me. I just love hat song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Maybe you need to open your eyes and realize that, even in a giant block of rambling text, he was able to absolutely dismantle your argument better than anyone else here already has. This just keeps going in circles, we've already excepted that you don't like the trilogy, that's fine, you really don't need to justify it by resorting to fallacy. Just leave us to enjoy it please, and we'll make sure to get you a postcard when Tre comes out and we're rocking out to (and discussing) that. Not sure what to tell you. I'd already refuted everything he said. There is no fallacy on my end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 other way around. and i said it a thousand times and now a thousand one: both could have been incredible albums if they would have recorded it with the their older distorted guitar sound. i hate those thin guitars in both albums.... but on dos it doesn't matter as much as on uno, cause the songs already have more power in their nature than the songs on uno. but uno has the kind of songs where you need those classic gd guitars. it just feels like there is something missing Eh, well that's a matter of taste, I like the classic "Green Day" guitar sound too, but I think with the cleaner guitars they were channeling the earlier days of rock'n'roll. I love the crisp tone on Uno. I don't think the songs would have sounded as good with more distortion, and I really don't think its that thin. It may not be as dry as the normal tone, but I still love it; especially since it's got all that meaty mid while still being bright and not muddy. Cleaner than normal?, yes. Thin? no. Live is a whole different story though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The only less than perfect point on this album, in my opinion, is probably the way Makeout Party transitions to Stray Heart, which transitions to Ashley. Just, soundwise... it doesn't mesh perfectly. It still sounds good, but Stray Heart sounds different from the rest of the album actually, even though it still has that old school rock'n'roll vibe too. But in terms of the progress of the content of the album/songs, it makes perfect sense, so I wouldn't have it anywhere else. I love the crisp tone on Uno. I don't think the songs would have sounded as good with more distortion, and I really don't think its that thin. It may not be as dry as the normal tone, but I still love it; especially since it's got all that meaty mid while still being bright and not muddy. Cleaner than normal?, yes. Thin? no. Live is a whole different story though. I can't really get technical as I don't play nor work with guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTH Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Eh, well that's a matter of taste, I like the classic "Green Day" guitar sound too, but I think with the cleaner guitars they were channeling the earlier days of rock'n'roll. thats why i dont mind it that much on dos (and i think the guitars are a bit different here though. on ashley its very noticeable...) but with uno they didnt want to refer to old rock'n'roll sound they wanted to refer to their own older sound. imagine a song like only of you with the uno guitars... terrible. it lives from the distorted dirtier sound. (im aware they just had a thousand bugs or so for the recording, but take any album after that as well...) in addition to that the uno songs could have been a bit faster recorded aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marrymebilliejoe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Yeah, but see, contrary to what you might believe, we're not unhappy with the album because of some nitpicky stupid reasons. Good for you if you like it, it takes all sorts, but I'm pretty sure a fair few people have given legitimate reasons why they haven't enjoyed this album. Supporting a band does not mean you blindly love everything they do just because they did it. This is the album people have yearned for for years, but in my opinion, it falls short of what I wanted, phoning it in. Yes, the songs are fast, but there's no energy, no passion. The songwriting is lazy and uninspired. The lyrics on Uno weren't great either, but at least those had some feeling behind them. I've listened through Dos multiple times, and if you asked me to sing you something from half the songs on the album, I wouldn't be able to, because there's nothing memorable in them. I'm glad you enjoyed it, but writing off legitimate, thought-out explanations of how disappointed someone is as them "finding something to bitch about" is rather closed-minded. I totally believe that people can love this album, hate this album, or could care less about it. Let everyone have his opinion. However, I think you might be quite over analyzing in the fact that there is "no energy, no passion" and that the songwriting is "lazy and uninspired." This seems to be highly subjective. I almost personally feel the complete opposite of you. Now, don't get me wrong I think Uno is a good album, but I felt like THAT album lacked energy and passion and the lyrics were just meh. I have some favorite songs in that album, but most of them I tend to skip over. I don't want to over analyze by saying that Dos is like an inner looking into Billie with his substance abuse or whatever, but I feel like these songs have more meaning into Billie than a lot of the other songs he have written. Almost like these songs are revealing his inner demons. I absolutely love Dos! Just everything about it. I kinda like the more melancholy lyrics with upbeat tempos..it has an interesting feel... And if you don't particular like it that's totally fine..I just wanted to give my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think you might be quite over analyzing in the fact that there is "no energy, no passion" and that the songwriting is "lazy and uninspired." This seems to be highly subjective. I think Uno is a good album, but I felt like THAT album lacked energy and passion and the lyrics were just meh. I honestly don't care that we have different opinions, but can you really not see the irony here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 That is a great album, but at least Dos doesn't have a line as bad as "my pussy tastes like pepsi cola", unless you get the vinyl pressing that has Drama Queen of course. Now there's a pussy I want to taste! I'm gonna sing that instead of "my black heart beats crimson and clover" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It was indeed a hissy fit and it's embarrassing for a forty year old man to be in that situation anyway. He was like my uncle on new years eve except he was on a live broadcast. Just because someone is abusing a substance doesn't justify their behavior. Do you understand what addiction is? Do you understand that Billie may be "famous" and therefore he may be on tv sometimes but he is still just a human being. It may have been inconvenient that he embarrassed you (im assuming you are the person embarrased here) by exposing his human side but you see addiction is an illness and i guess eventually (like most illnesses) unless treated they will make you seriously ill or kill you. I dont know your uncle and im not about to get personal but it seems you are equating new years eve drinking (and the embarrassment of the sober onlooker) with Billie's substance abuse which given his past (and numerous drug references on Dos) could also include drug abuse. Well...what can anyone really say to that...except that i hope you enjoy listening to Tre and the other bands you like dont embarrass you with their life threatening problems...sorry i meant hissy fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 thats why i dont mind it that much on dos (and i think the guitars are a bit different here though. on ashley its very noticeable...) ;)/> but with uno they didnt want to refer to old rock'n'roll sound they wanted to refer to their own older sound. imagine a song like only of you with the uno guitars... terrible. it lives from the distorted dirtier sound. (im aware they just had a thousand bugs or so for the recording, but take any album after that as well...) in addition to that the uno songs could have been a bit faster recorded aswell. See, I think Uno sounds rather old school as well, I mean the songs sound somewhat like earlier Green Day but I do think they still channel earlier rock (not garage, other stuff, poppier stuff) and the guitar sound works perfectly for that. But I may be the only one who hears that? It doesn't matter, again it comes down to taste, whatever the influences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 My contributions to this thread have mainly consisted of liking your posts. I'm too lazy to type much today, so thanks for reading my mind. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Not sure what to tell you. I'd already refuted everything he said. There is no fallacy on my end hehe...also the "he" you are referring to is a she. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Billie's voice on "Lazy Bones" is amazing, it caught me the minute I heard this song for the first time... And I love all of the lyrics, the little contradictions and the dizzy headspin they reflect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Do you understand what addiction is? Do you understand that Billie may be "famous" and therefore he may be on tv sometimes but he is still just a human being. It may have been inconvenient that he embarrassed you (im assuming you are the person embarrased here) by exposing his human side but you see addiction is an illness and i guess eventually (like most illnesses) unless treated they will make you seriously ill or kill you. I dont know your uncle and im not about to get personal but it seems you are equating new years eve drinking (and the embarrassment of the sober onlooker) with Billie's substance abuse which given his past (and numerous drug references on Dos) could also include drug abuse. Well...what can anyone really say to that...except that i hope you enjoy listening to Tre and the other bands you like dont embarrass you with their life threatening problems...sorry i meant hissy fits. Sorry I just can't stop face palming. What he did is not excusable. An addiction is an addiction. He needs to be treated for it. However he did embarrass himself. He looked like an entitled rock star and no addiction changes that. That is what happened maybe you don't understand the difference between truth and justification. You can repeat that he has an illness incessantly but it doesn't change the facts. I trust he's getting the help he needs which is why I don't deflect. He threw a temper tantrum. He got upset over NOTHING. The band said their set was not cut short. hehe...also the "he" you are referring to is a she. Just copied the gender from cob1994s post. I assumed he or she knew what they were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Billie's voice on "Lazy Bones" is amazing, it caught me the minute I heard this song for the first time... And I love all of the lyrics, the little contradictions and the dizzy headspin they reflect. This...Lazy Bones is fastly becoming one of my top ten GD tracks ever. The lyrics are perfect. They just hit me the first time i heard the preview and i wanted more! Its one of those songs i relate to in too many ways its eerie yet thats why i love it...i love thst feeling that Billie is in the same headspace i am for one moment in time. Thats why i love this band so much. Of course now the lyrics seem so much more meaningful. More proof he writes from experience and wears his heart on a noose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Not that low. Especially considering it didn't have any flop singles and still wouldn't. If those songs were released today with updated lyrics try might not be as large but you would still be hearing them everywhere. Yeah that low using the SAME promo the trilogy has gotten so far AI would as you call it flop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Yeah that low using the SAME promo the trilogy has gotten so far AI would as you call it flop... So if the band performed on an award show went on a mini world tour made huge news at iheartradio and released an American idiot single oh and starred in an angry birds game American idiot would move 130000 units in its first week? That's honestly laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Sorry I just can't stop face palming. What he did is not excusable. An addiction is an addiction. He needs to be treated for it. However he did embarrass himself. He looked like an entitled rock star and no addiction changes that. That is what happened maybe you don't understand the difference between truth and justification. You can repeat that he has an illness incessantly but it doesn't change the facts. I trust he's getting the help he needs which is why I don't deflect. He threw a temper tantrum. He got upset over NOTHING. The band said their set was not cut short. Just copied the gender from cob1994s post. I assumed he or she knew what they were talking about. Ok...im done with this stupidity. Ever seen Jaded in Chicago? Go youtube it ok. You shall see a high Billie Joe play a gig...during which he will among other things make lots of random weird speeches that make zero sense including one about how he wants to go get on his "big wheel" and "tonka truck"...also he spent time sticking his tongue out while calling the audience "motherfuckers" etc. Basically he played he rambled he made no sense and guess what...nobody judged him afterwards. He did not have a fucking tantrum at iheart he was OBVIOUSLY high and/or drunk and was ranting rubbish about nothing. It may as well have been about big wheels and tonka trucks...alas im wasting my time. Believe whatever im gonna go listen to Dos. That entitled tantrum throwing bastard knows how to make an epic fucking album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marrymebilliejoe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I honestly don't care that we have different opinions, but can you really not see the irony here? Well if you have the ability to state your opinion and make comparisons..I see no reason why I can't state mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Well if you have the ability to state your opinion and make comparisons..I see no reason why I can't state mine I don't disagree, but by your own logic, you're over analyzing just as much as I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So if the band performed on an award show went on a mini world tour made huge news at iheartradio and released an American idiot single oh and starred in an angry birds game American idiot would move 130000 units in its first week? That's honestly laughable. No it's not you are making assumptions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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