No Rhyme Or Reason Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I think they have a lot to say in many of their songs. Not in the new ones, unfortunately. But on almost all of their older albums, they had loads of things to say in my opinion. I agree that they have a lot to say. Billie has always been good at tapping into core feelings and communicating something that a lot of people can relate to and even learn from. He can write really personal songs about relationships or ideas of growing up and make those feelings seem really profound and meaningful. On the flip side, he can speak to bigger issues, like politics, religion, economy, etc and say what many people are thinking about society. He's great at speaking for a generation, a culture, a lifestyle - that's one of the things I love most about Green Day's songs. I do think this extends to both Uno and Dos as well. Dos is not the shallow, fun, sex/booze/drugs album people think it is - there's a lot more going on beneath that party veneer in these songs. It's kind of dark, and I think it can serve as a commentary on the bad side of the partying, where addiction and regret comes in. I find Dos to be really interesting and captivating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbie Head Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I KNOW I AM, but I was waiting to have the CD with me. And now I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Few thoughts i've had recently regarding Dos and the trilogy in general, I rant so feel free to skip ... The feeling i've had for a while is that, after American Idiot and then the toll 21CB took on the band, Billie especially was desperate to break out of that little niche they'd gotten themselves into. He didn't want to be seen as a political band, or a boring band, or a soap box band; I noticed it first on the 2012 leg of the tour when things really started to get looser and more fun. And in turn, that's how a lot of these songs were born, I think. It almost seems like a desperate attempt at keeping hold of his youth, of proving he can be fun and spontaneous and that it's not all about politics or having a point to make. We've heard them explain these albums in that way so many times - "We just wanted to have fun". But the thing with treating life like one big party is it always comes back to bite you, especially when you're doing it at a point in your life when you probably shouldn't be. (Hence, I think, Billie's current situaton.) It just opens up all sorts of cans of worms. And hence the fact this album is so dark and, at times, depressing. It's the catchiest album yet - there isn't one song I get bored in, really - but it's definitely not a happy album. It sounds like a typical midlife crisis. The whole trilogy and everything surrounding it appears to me like a midlife crisis, like I said before, the desperate attempt to be young and to party and be fun and hip, to look cool, to ditch the uniforms and go casual. I don't think they intended it to sound this way, who wants to sound/appear old? But that's definitely how I see it, like a man on the edge of a breakdown. Which unfortunately seems to be more true than just a few songs on a record. It will be very interesting to listen to Tre and to see how that compares to Dos. Musically, I think it's absolutely stunning - it sounds awesome, every song is catchy. But it definitely reads to me like the party from hell. /rant over XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbie Head Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 While listening to Fuck Time, the ending part, I always think about Billie recording it in the studio while doing the "Ahhhh" "Aahhhh" noises, and him laughing afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I've listened to it the first time yesterday and this bothered me instantly, I was looking on google if anyone every mentioned it. Didn't find anything. There's really something wrong with that line :(/> Agreed- it sounds like he fell a little flat hitting the note in that line. Bothers me every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelBlue_ Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I've listened to it the first time yesterday and this bothered me instantly, I was looking on google if anyone every mentioned it. Didn't find anything. There's really something wrong with that line I've listened to it the first time yesterday and this bothered me instantly, I was looking on google if anyone every mentioned it. Didn't find anything. There's really something wrong with that line My mom thinks the same!!! when she listened to it for the first time,at "can you write me a lullaby"part, she said : "Oh it's out of tune!!! " But I really don't hear anything strange O.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelBlue_ Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Few thoughts i've had recently regarding Dos and the trilogy in general, I rant so feel free to skip ... The feeling i've had for a while is that, after American Idiot and then the toll 21CB took on the band, Billie especially was desperate to break out of that little niche they'd gotten themselves into. He didn't want to be seen as a political band, or a boring band, or a soap box band; I noticed it first on the 2012 leg of the tour when things really started to get looser and more fun. And in turn, that's how a lot of these songs were born, I think. It almost seems like a desperate attempt at keeping hold of his youth, of proving he can be fun and spontaneous and that it's not all about politics or having a point to make. We've heard them explain these albums in that way so many times - "We just wanted to have fun". But the thing with treating life like one big party is it always comes back to bite you, especially when you're doing it at a point in your life when you probably shouldn't be. (Hence, I think, Billie's current situaton.) It just opens up all sorts of cans of worms. And hence the fact this album is so dark and, at times, depressing. It's the catchiest album yet - there isn't one song I get bored in, really - but it's definitely not a happy album. It sounds like a typical midlife crisis. The whole trilogy and everything surrounding it appears to me like a midlife crisis, like I said before, the desperate attempt to be young and to party and be fun and hip, to look cool, to ditch the uniforms and go casual. I don't think they intended it to sound this way, who wants to sound/appear old? But that's definitely how I see it, like a man on the edge of a breakdown. Which unfortunately seems to be more true than just a few songs on a record. It will be very interesting to listen to Tre and to see how that compares to Dos. Musically, I think it's absolutely stunning - it sounds awesome, every song is catchy. But it definitely reads to me like the party from hell. /rant over XD I agree in every single words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I didn't realize that until someone said it, and then I was like, "damn it, you're spot on." Hard to argue it. Either way, I don't mind! It's not like "Rusty James," where I can clearly hear "Scattered" to the point that it bothers me. I actually don't hear too much Scattered in Rusty James. Only one part of the song (pre-chorus) uses the Scattered riff. I love both songs equally, but I can see where the similarities are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaz. Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I really love the transition between some songs, like Ashley/Baby Eyes. There's something about the opening to Baby Eyes that sounds quite dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't Wear It Out Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Does anybody else think the chords to Lazy Bones sounds like the chords on Give Me Novacaine, and Makeout Party intro a little like East Jesus Nowhere? (LOVING it either way ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark in the night Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm starting to like Ashley more. That music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drugstore hooligan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm starting to like Ashley more. That music. Ive loved Ashley from my first listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Few thoughts i've had recently regarding Dos and the trilogy in general, I rant so feel free to skip ... The feeling i've had for a while is that, after American Idiot and then the toll 21CB took on the band, Billie especially was desperate to break out of that little niche they'd gotten themselves into. He didn't want to be seen as a political band, or a boring band, or a soap box band; I noticed it first on the 2012 leg of the tour when things really started to get looser and more fun. And in turn, that's how a lot of these songs were born, I think. It almost seems like a desperate attempt at keeping hold of his youth, of proving he can be fun and spontaneous and that it's not all about politics or having a point to make. We've heard them explain these albums in that way so many times - "We just wanted to have fun". But the thing with treating life like one big party is it always comes back to bite you, especially when you're doing it at a point in your life when you probably shouldn't be. (Hence, I think, Billie's current situaton.) It just opens up all sorts of cans of worms. And hence the fact this album is so dark and, at times, depressing. It's the catchiest album yet - there isn't one song I get bored in, really - but it's definitely not a happy album. It sounds like a typical midlife crisis. The whole trilogy and everything surrounding it appears to me like a midlife crisis, like I said before, the desperate attempt to be young and to party and be fun and hip, to look cool, to ditch the uniforms and go casual. I don't think they intended it to sound this way, who wants to sound/appear old? But that's definitely how I see it, like a man on the edge of a breakdown. Which unfortunately seems to be more true than just a few songs on a record. It will be very interesting to listen to Tre and to see how that compares to Dos. Musically, I think it's absolutely stunning - it sounds awesome, every song is catchy. But it definitely reads to me like the party from hell. /rant over XD Yeah, I definitely think referring to this album as a party spiraling out of control is the right way to put it. ¡Uno! seemed a lot more upbeat and therefore I got a little annoyed when everyone claimed Billie was using it to "cry out for help," etc., because I didn't see it. But with ¡Dos! I think you can definitely make much more of a claim that it reflects his current situation. Although you can't take albums as completely factual accounts of someone's life, they're not writing out of a vacuum, either, so obviously their lives will impact their writing one way or another. It's very interesting to analyze ¡Dos! knowing what we do now. If iHeart hadn't happened, I wonder if the album would have been received differently by media and fans alike. Does anybody else think the chords to Lazy Bones sounds like the chords on Give Me Novacaine, and Makeout Party intro a little like East Jesus Nowhere? (LOVING it either way ) Pretty much everyone has picked up on "Lazy Bones" and "Give Me Novacaine," but I don't hear it too much on "Makeout Party..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DisapppearingBoy Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 UNO>DOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTH Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think they have a lot to say in many of their songs. Not in the new ones, unfortunately. But on almost all of their older albums, they had loads of things to say in my opinion. you are right. one of the most political songs (and one of the bests) in the bands history is "no pride". "no culture's worth a steam of piss or bullet in my face!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stories and songs Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Few thoughts i've had recently regarding Dos and the trilogy in general, I rant so feel free to skip ... The feeling i've had for a while is that, after American Idiot and then the toll 21CB took on the band, Billie especially was desperate to break out of that little niche they'd gotten themselves into. He didn't want to be seen as a political band, or a boring band, or a soap box band; I noticed it first on the 2012 leg of the tour when things really started to get looser and more fun. And in turn, that's how a lot of these songs were born, I think. It almost seems like a desperate attempt at keeping hold of his youth, of proving he can be fun and spontaneous and that it's not all about politics or having a point to make. We've heard them explain these albums in that way so many times - "We just wanted to have fun". But the thing with treating life like one big party is it always comes back to bite you, especially when you're doing it at a point in your life when you probably shouldn't be. (Hence, I think, Billie's current situaton.) It just opens up all sorts of cans of worms. And hence the fact this album is so dark and, at times, depressing. It's the catchiest album yet - there isn't one song I get bored in, really - but it's definitely not a happy album. It sounds like a typical midlife crisis. The whole trilogy and everything surrounding it appears to me like a midlife crisis, like I said before, the desperate attempt to be young and to party and be fun and hip, to look cool, to ditch the uniforms and go casual. I don't think they intended it to sound this way, who wants to sound/appear old? But that's definitely how I see it, like a man on the edge of a breakdown. Which unfortunately seems to be more true than just a few songs on a record. It will be very interesting to listen to Tre and to see how that compares to Dos. Musically, I think it's absolutely stunning - it sounds awesome, every song is catchy. But it definitely reads to me like the party from hell. /rant over XD Thank you so much for writing this. You just put into words so many thoughts that have been running through my mind about this album, some of which I don't think I wanted to even admit to myself. I definitely agree that this whole "fun/party" vibe stems from wanting break away from being labelled a political band. And I completely understand why they'd want that. They did two politically charged albums, it was the right time for a change of pace. That said, I personally feel like they were REALLY trying hard to break away from that image, like they felt that they dug themselves too far into a particular niche that they no longer wanted associated with at all, even though they have ALWAYS been socially aware to a certain degree. I remember being a little taken aback reading an interview with the guys a few months ago where a fan asked the question if their new material would be political or not. Billie was like "No, that era is over. 99 Revolutions is political but it is time to move on" (or something very close to that). And I was just like oh, okay. The band just sounded very adamant about not wanting to backtrack. Which can be good and bad. AI brought in new fans and a new wave of popularity for them. However, it also altered the image that they once had quite greatly. I wholeheartedly understand how at a certain point, that would be difficult when figuring out what direction creatively to go in next. No, this is not a happy album. It's like the least fun "fun" album ever. And that isn't meant to knock the music at all, or the band. It's just that at the core of it, beneath the wildness and upbeat tempos, the lyrics are so dark. The songs go to an ugly place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met Fan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 My current Dos ranking: 13. Amy 12. Makeout Party 11. Lady Cobra 10. See You Tonight 9. Stop When Red Light Flash 8. It's Fuck Time 7. Baby Eyes 6. Wow that's Loud 5. Ashley 4. Wild One 3. Nightlife 2. Lazy Bone 1. Stray Heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie, get your gun Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 They said that ¡DOS! is like a Foxboro's record and I didn't want to believe it 'til I listened to it; but I found a few stuff that remind me of them. Like Wow! That's Loud reminds me of 27th Ave Shuffle; or Stray Heart that has a resemblance to Mother Mary. Makeout Part sounds definitely like a song Foxies would do And Fuck Time's in it, of course; but Green Day won it after a ping pong battle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Anybody come across the japanese bonus track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musso_kn Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks Nightlife is actually a really, really good song? I love it when artists fuse genres together, and this one has a GREAT rhythm. Lady Cobra's lyrics aren't brilliant but they aren't that 'cringey' either; they fit the mood of the song just fine. I just want to hear MORE and MORE of this kind of experimentation. This album definitely beats UNO! on all fronts. The only dud is fuck time, the music is meh, and the lyrics are just plain embarassing coming from a supposedly 'mature' band. I know the whole album is meant to be hedonistic, but it's a step too far. And it simply doesn't live up to Blood, sex and booze. Now THAT song somehow managed to come across as witty, sophisticated and sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks Nightlife is actually a really, really good song? I love it when artists fuse genres together, and this one has a GREAT rhythm. Lady Cobra's lyrics aren't brilliant but they aren't that 'cringey' either; they fit the mood of the song just fine. I just want to hear MORE and MORE of this kind of experimentation. This album definitely beats UNO! on all fronts. The only dud is fuck time, the music is meh, and the lyrics are just plain embarassing coming from a supposedly 'mature' band. I know the whole album is meant to be hedonistic, but it's a step too far. And it simply doesn't live up to Blood, sex and booze. Now THAT song somehow managed to come across as witty, sophisticated and sexy. I actually like Nightlife a lot! It's grown on me more the more I listen to it. I love the sleazy vibe the song has going on. It's awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperXCsabre495 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 If anyone has the Japan bonus track let me know... I WANT IT SO BADLY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Here's my take on Dos if anyone is interested. http://radionotfound.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/dos-green-day/ Just my opinion guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drugstore hooligan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Am I the only one who thinks Nightlife is actually a really, really good song? I love it when artists fuse genres together, and this one has a GREAT rhythm. Lady Cobra's lyrics aren't brilliant but they aren't that 'cringey' either; they fit the mood of the song just fine. I just want to hear MORE and MORE of this kind of experimentation. This album definitely beats UNO! on all fronts. The only dud is fuck time, the music is meh, and the lyrics are just plain embarassing coming from a supposedly 'mature' band. I know the whole album is meant to be hedonistic, but it's a step too far. And it simply doesn't live up to Blood, sex and booze. Now THAT song somehow managed to come across as witty, sophisticated and sexy. I love Nightlife too, i dont care what anyone else thinks. I love the sleazy vibe and its combines genres pretty well in my opinion. But then again i am a mystic knights of the cobra fan too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaz. Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 They said that ¡DOS! is like a Foxboro's record and I didn't want to believe it 'til I listened to it; but I found a few stuff that remind me of them. Like Wow! That's Loud reminds me of 27th Ave Shuffle; or Stray Heart that has a resemblance to Mother Mary. Makeout Part sounds definitely like a song Foxies would do And Fuck Time's in it, of course; but Green Day won it after a ping pong battle... Yes! I thought the same with Wow! That's Loud. Also you just answered my question of what I thought Stray Heart sounds similar to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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