WhiteTim Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I think you're taking the "disliking Twilight" thing way too seriously. They just made a jokey comment about it, that doesn't mean they officially hate everything about it for life. By your definition they've never been a "respectable band", because they've often poked fun at aspects of things but then praised other aspects of them or changed their mind, or poked fun at things they actually like as a joke. They've made snarky jokes about bands and celebrities they actually like or don't really have a problem with, Green Day fans, and even themselves and their own music and videos. It's called having a sense of humour and not taking life or yourself too seriously. Exactly... As far as the dude sayin Beatles were a corporate band well so is Green Day... as far as the twilight comments how do you know they were serious with them? They could easily said with sarcasim or not who knows... the band has always lisenced songs off to tv and movies they are also a business if they were truly a band that not about money or fame they wouldn't have signed to a major label... they wouldnt charge money to perform shows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmidtsPie° Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Yeah, I suppose that kind of thing can be irritating to be fair . I think it's worth it though because for every however many people have that reaction there'll be a few who do like it when they hear more. Hopefully having a song in this film will enlighten a few more people about how great Green Day are. Yeah that's probably right. Always gotta look on the bright side, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Aw, thank you so much. Doubt this will be the last WTF?! face-palmer we get, but it's mild compared to some. Yeppers wmg will find ways to fuck up more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Example? Angry Birds, Billie Joe Armstrong abandoning his established Twitter following because Green Day cut a deal with Instagram, Oh Love as the first single release, "cleaning" the music and re-recording some of the songs so as not to be as offensive to Walmart consumers, the original trilogy album artwork looking like the walls of an 11-year-old girl's bedroom, ... shall I go on? The "Twilight offense" is mild compared to some of the other stuff they've done for the promotional roll-out. The movies aren't great. The books are shit. But as somebody pointed out, it is a cultural phenomenon that sparked the zombie, vampire, werewolf fad that has gripped the country. Like it or not, agree with it or not (and I don't on both counts), it is certainly relevant, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAR Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I think you're taking the "disliking Twilight" thing way too seriously. They just made a jokey comment about it, that doesn't mean they officially hate everything about it for life. By your definition they've never been a "respectable band", because they've often poked fun at aspects of things but then praised other aspects of them or changed their mind, or poked fun at things they actually like as a joke. They've made snarky jokes about bands and celebrities they actually like or don't really have a problem with, Green Day fans, and even themselves and their own music and videos. It's called having a sense of humour and not taking life or yourself too seriously. I can respect that opinion but I feel like I've heard it too often for it to just be a joke. Ok so maybe they don't hate bon jovi but they only said that once an it was in print do it was difficult to tell. This to me is different I can judge by how often it's said and in what tone. My thought is Warner is taking more control of the promotion and green day had to agree to a certain amount of promotional activities. Still this makes me uncomfortable. Exactly... As far as the dude sayin Beatles were a corporate band well so is Green Day... as far as the twilight comments how do you know they were serious with them? They could easily said with sarcasim or not who knows... the band has always lisenced songs off to tv and movies they are also a business if they were truly a band that not about money or fame they wouldn't have signed to a major label... they wouldnt charge money to perform shows... Well I meant more in the opinions they put into their songs. I just expect them to uphold their beliefs more than the Beatles because I don't see the Beatles as political whereas green day has asked us to take them more seriously and think of them as politically relevant of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marrymebilliejoe Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Maybe this is just me but I feel like Green Day is like promoting their CDs to the max! I'm not saying its a bad thing! But it's a different side to Green Day. Like I don't remember them going to countless of shows and what not to promote 21st century breakdown. But anyway in regards to their song being in the Twilght soundtrack..I was surprised! But honestly, in the end I think it will be beneficial..you know how many people are going to see that movie..and be unexpectedly exposed to quality music!? This may spark people's interest in Green Day! I personally will not be watching the movie, but I'd say why not? Punk has been seen as doing the unexpected..and who would have thought a Green Day song would be on a twilight soundtrack and as an aside if this somehow makes you like Green Day less, maybe you weren't as big as a fan as you thought! We are suppose to support them as fans:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Im out. You cant say things sometimes without getting jumped on. Peace out. Till next thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Well I meant more in the opinions they put into their songs. I just expect them to uphold their beliefs more than the Beatles because I don't see the Beatles as political whereas green day has asked us to take them more seriously and think of them as politically relevant of late This trilogy marketing has been horrible i think most people can agree on that one... I just don't see the outcry of the soundtrack being bad or a big issue the label nor the band nor the film makers are forcing none of us to buy the soundtrack nor pay 10 dollars to watch the movie if you buy the soundtrack or watch the movie its your doing me personally not buying the song or movie ill hear Forgotten on 01/15/2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothed Out Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Um, not too bothered tbh. Personally I don't like the films, but the soundtracks have always been rather respectable. And we get a new song, early, so I'm not even gonna complain. Ooooh Tom and Robert gif in your sig. Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Um, not too bothered tbh. Personally I don't like the films, but the soundtracks have always been rather respectable. And we get a new song, early, so I'm not even gonna complain. Ooooh Tom and Robert gif in your sig. Love it Haha thanks. I found that gif the other day and guuuuhhhhh lol They are freaking adorable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoothed Out Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Haha thanks. I found that gif the other day and guuuuhhhhh lol They are freaking adorable Haha too true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmcloughlin Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Not a fan of the series (DELIGHTED it will be finished soon!) but I have to admit the soundtracks have always been pretty decent. I suppose this means this will be the best Twilight soundtrack hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Billiejoezee- Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Well Then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerardsangel4977 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Angry Birds, Billie Joe Armstrong abandoning his established Twitter following because Green Day cut a deal with Instagram, Oh Love as the first single release, "cleaning" the music and re-recording some of the songs so as not to be as offensive to Walmart consumers, the original trilogy album artwork looking like the walls of an 11-year-old girl's bedroom, ... shall I go on? The "Twilight offense" is mild compared to some of the other stuff they've done for the promotional roll-out. The movies aren't great. The books are shit. But as somebody pointed out, it is a cultural phenomenon that sparked the zombie, vampire, werewolf fad that has gripped the country. Like it or not, agree with it or not (and I don't on both counts), it is certainly relevant, if nothing else. Angry Birds, in all fairness, is a pretty huge cultural thing too. One of the most popular apps, overall, and now they sell Angry Birds plushies, Angry Birds t-shirts, and there's even an Angry Birds board game....Shit is everywhere. "Oh Love" as a single release is offensive? I mean, I know a lot of people don't like the song, but geez.... The main thing that bothers me about what you've said, though, is about the album covers looking like they belong on an 11-year-old girl's bedroom wall. Partly because I'm well-aware that there are plenty of young tweenaged and teenaged fans here on this board (many of whom, yes, are girls), and they don't deserve to be looked down on or sneered at by the older members purely for being young. But also because, in case you weren't aware of this, many bands' actually sell their album artwork in poster format, specifically so it *can* go on people's walls. So ALL album artwork has the potential to end up in a young girl's bedroom. My sister and I, for example, shared a bedroom growing up, and we each got into Green Day at the tender ages of 13 and 16, respectively (this being around 2004), at which point, we slowly started covering our walls--I'm talking completely wall-papered from top-to-bottom--with every Green Day poster we could find....from stores, concerts, teenie mags, wherever....including a nice, large poster of the American Idiot album cover that I proudly hung at the head of my bed. And I got a lot of looks for liking them then, from other teenagers who thought Green Day was a band for middle schoolers that they had outgrown....the rest didn't even know who they were, or else they'd heard of them but thought they were a new band (though I always tried to take advantage of the last group's interest to educate them properly ) Now, at the age of 24, I no longer have to worry about people my age not knowing who Green Day is, but I do still get judged by my fellow university students for still being into what they feel is an age-inappropriate band--not because they think I'm too *young* to listen to Green Day, but because they think I'm too *old*. At 24! I am considered too old for Green Day, even though the band has literally existed for as long as I've been alive. Because even though you apparently see Green Day as being For Adults, the entire rest of the world (other fans notwithstanding) sees Green Day the same way everyone here sees the Twilight franchise: An over-hyped fad marketed solely toward teenage girls (And both parties are pretty equally misguided in their thinking). But that stigma has absolutely nothing to do with the current trilogy promotion; it's just always been there. Why? Because that demographic has always been a portion of Green Day's target audience. As the band got older, they expanded their marketing to include older fans, not the other way around. But they haven't yet dropped the younger portion of their fanbase from the marketing roster, either, which is why they do still participate in things that keep them visible to that age group. It's really that simple. And if that bothers you, you're not going to find much of a receptive audience here, since the vast majority of us *were* (or still are) those preteens and teenagers at one point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eponine Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Not a fan of the series (DELIGHTED it will be finished soon!) but I have to admit the soundtracks have always been pretty decent. I suppose this means this will be the best Twilight soundtrack hands down You're right, a heap of decent mainstream bands have featured on the Twilights. And decent songs as well. It made cleaning the cinema during the credits almost enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Angry Birds, in all fairness, is a pretty huge cultural thing too. One of the most popular apps, overall, and now they sell Angry Birds plushies, Angry Birds t-shirts, and there's even an Angry Birds board game....Shit is everywhere. "Oh Love" as a single release is offensive? I mean, I know a lot of people don't like the song, but geez.... The main thing that bothers me about what you've said, though, is about the album covers looking like they belong on an 11-year-old girl's bedroom wall. Partly because I'm well-aware that there are plenty of young tweenaged and teenaged fans here on this board (many of whom, yes, are girls), and they don't deserve to be looked down on or sneered at by the older members purely for being young. But also because, in case you weren't aware of this, many bands' actually sell their album artwork in poster format, specifically so it *can* go on people's walls. So ALL album artwork has the potential to end up in a young girl's bedroom. My sister and I, for example, shared a bedroom growing up, and we each got into Green Day at the tender ages of 13 and 16, respectively (this being around 2004), at which point, we slowly started covering our walls--I'm talking completely wall-papered from top-to-bottom--with every Green Day poster we could find....from stores, concerts, teenie mags, wherever....including a nice, large poster of the American Idiot album cover that I proudly hung at the head of my bed. And I got a lot of looks for liking them then, from other teenagers who thought Green Day was a band for middle schoolers that they had outgrown....the rest didn't even know who they were, or else they'd heard of them but thought they were a new band (though I always tried to take advantage of the last group's interest to educate them properly ) Now, at the age of 24, I no longer have to worry about people my age not knowing who Green Day is, but I do still get judged by my fellow university students for still being into what they feel is an age-inappropriate band--not because they think I'm too *young* to listen to Green Day, but because they think I'm too *old*. At 24! I am considered too old for Green Day, even though the band has literally existed for as long as I've been alive. Because even though you apparently see Green Day as being For Adults, the entire rest of the world (other fans notwithstanding) sees Green Day the same way everyone here sees the Twilight franchise: An over-hyped fad marketed solely toward teenage girls (And both parties are pretty equally misguided in their thinking). But that stigma has absolutely nothing to do with the current trilogy promotion; it's just always been there. Why? Because that demographic has always been a portion of Green Day's target audience. As the band got older, they expanded their marketing to include older fans, not the other way around. But they haven't yet dropped the younger portion of their fanbase from the marketing roster, either, which is why they do still participate in things that keep them visible to that age group. It's really that simple. And if that bothers you, you're not going to find much of a receptive audience here, since the vast majority of us *were* (or still are) those preteens and teenagers at one point in time. Yeah, you completely missed the point. Angry birds "plushies" only emphasizes my point. It's a game geared towards the tween set and is completely inappropriate in comparison to the content of the music on the albums. I never said "Oh Love" was offensive. It's the exact opposite of offensive, which was my point. It's the safe, tepid, "clean" song on the album that is also for the tween set. And I never once said anything that was condescending or looking down on that age group. My only point in all of this is that the music isn't appropriate for that age group, that the marketing is way over-the-top geared towards that age group to the exclusion of their older (and I'm talking teenagers and up) established fanbase, and that it flies in the face of everything the band has self-promoted themselves to be up to this point. It's hypocritical. It hurts Green Day's public image. And personally, I think it's a stupid marketing approach for the long-term success of the albums and the band. I don't give a shit about marketing to that age group when it's right for the band and the music. Justin Bieber is a perfect example of an appropriate match for that market. And more power to him. But Green Day has primarily stood for something a whole lot less shallow up to this point, where it wasn't completely and utterly all about just making money off the backs of the biggest market demographic. They may have done some of these things in the past, but it wasn't their entire marketing strategy like it is now and it's the reason there have been so many fuck-ups with it, and it's why there's been so much controversy and debate about it this time around. This entire marketing strategy reflects a complete disconnect between the band, the music and the fanbase, and unlike American Idiot and Dookie, and to an extent 21st Century Breakdown, nobody will be talking about these albums a year from now, and especially not ten years from now, despite the fact the music is incredible and makes as big a statement. And that is entirely the fault of the marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmilo88 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 lmfao!! I loved the fucking gifs people were putting!!!! It attracts new fans. The movie is probably on many peoples "Must SEE Movie List" because they followed the trilogy, secretly or just to critize how bad it is. Angry birds is the most played game on smart phones and what not. Why not make a Green Day based one? Promotion and Marketing for awesome sales. It shouldn't really bug anyone. It's not like they committed a mass murder or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eponine Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 lmfao!! I loved the fucking gifs people were putting!!!! It attracts new fans. The movie is probably on many peoples "Must SEE Movie List" because they followed the trilogy, secretly or just to critize how bad it is. Angry birds is the most played game on smart phones and what not. Why not make a Green Day based one? Promotion and Marketing for awesome sales. It shouldn't really bug anyone. It's not like they committed a mass murder or anything. But it is also reasonable to see why it would bug somebody. For many people, a band is more than just the music they play. It's also the set of ideologies they represent. And this recent choice of product placement does seem to fly in the face of those ideologies that Green Day have been promoting since 1989. And while its fine for bands to adapt, or to make unusual marketing decisions, it's also inevitable that something like this will upset a lot of the older members of their core fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 But it is also reasonable to see why it would bug somebody. For many people, a band is more than just the music they play. It's also the set of ideologies they represent. And this recent choice of product placement does seem to fly in the face of those ideologies that Green Day have been promoting since 1989. And while its fine for bands to adapt, or to make unusual marketing decisions, it's also inevitable that something like this will upset a lot of the older members of their core fan base. But they've always contradict themselves since day 1 pretty much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eponine Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 But they've always contradict themselves since day 1 pretty much... Well yes, everyone does eventually, because we're always changing and growing as people (and bands). New priorities and ideas are inevitable. What I meant wasn't that Green Day have done a terrible thing (I was trying to talk without giving my actual opinion), but that it makes sense that some of their fans will respond angrily. To them, Green Day represents something. Represents an ideal that, in the minds of a fan, is intricately tied up with a concept of 'Green Day' but doesn't necessarily match up with the reality. Proof of this divide between idealised Green Day and real Green Day is a hard thing to acknowledge, especially when the divide is as significant as traditional no-Walmart GD and Twilight GD. I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm not defending or attacking their actions, just trying to explain why (I think) it is that people are reacting so strongly, and why that may be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksoda Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 People seem to forget that this was most likely a label decision, or that they were approached about it. I doubt Green Day was like, "Fuck yeah! We gotta get on the soundtrack for Twilight!" Yeah, it sucks that it's Twilight. But whatever. It'll pass. Fussing over it only makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 People seem to forget that this was most likely a label decision, or that they were approached about it. I doubt Green Day was like, "Fuck yeah! We gotta get on the soundtrack for Twilight!" Yeah, it sucks that it's Twilight. But whatever. It'll pass. Fussing over it only makes it worse. Label or not GD still approved it Well yes, everyone does eventually, because we're always changing and growing as people (and bands). New priorities and ideas are inevitable. What I meant wasn't that Green Day have done a terrible thing (I was trying to talk without giving my actual opinion), but that it makes sense that some of their fans will respond angrily. To them, Green Day represents something. Represents an ideal that, in the minds of a fan, is intricately tied up with a concept of 'Green Day' but doesn't necessarily match up with the reality. Proof of this divide between idealised Green Day and real Green Day is a hard thing to acknowledge, especially when the divide is as significant as traditional no-Walmart GD and Twilight GD. I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm not defending or attacking their actions, just trying to explain why (I think) it is that people are reacting so strongly, and why that may be appropriate. I agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespertine Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 why are you guys even complaining? Uno is fucking flopping right now (at least when you compare it to 21CB and American Idiot - Plus, so far, none of the songs from Uno! released as singles have had a good chart performance), and the same is going to happen to the other albums if they don't get properly promoted. Sit your arses down, it's a business decision, and you have no say in that. Wtf is wrong with you? It seems to me you don't want Green Day to fucking succeed for some stupid selfish reason. Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Well yes, everyone does eventually, because we're always changing and growing as people (and bands). New priorities and ideas are inevitable. What I meant wasn't that Green Day have done a terrible thing (I was trying to talk without giving my actual opinion), but that it makes sense that some of their fans will respond angrily. To them, Green Day represents something. Represents an ideal that, in the minds of a fan, is intricately tied up with a concept of 'Green Day' but doesn't necessarily match up with the reality. Proof of this divide between idealised Green Day and real Green Day is a hard thing to acknowledge, especially when the divide is as significant as traditional no-Walmart GD and Twilight GD. I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm not defending or attacking their actions, just trying to explain why (I think) it is that people are reacting so strongly, and why that may be appropriate. Now this is what actual condescension is. "Idealized Green Day" and "real Green Day"??? That we're all just delusional and can't see the reality or are unwilling to see it and acknowledge it? Seriously? Here's a reality check: Three fucking years ago, Green Day flat-out said they would not put their music in Walmart because of censorship they likened to the 1950s. That's not tradition. That's fact. Now they not only put it in Walmart, but they recorded different versions of their songs to accommodate their complete 180 turn-around. Here's another reality check: Our perception of the band is based on the image they themselves have presented to the world up until four months ago, and their music reflected that image. That's not an inability on the part of the fans to see the band as they really are. That's the band itself either lying about who they are or being hypocrites because they caved on the marketing. Yes bands change and grow, but this? This is like they've just overnight become completely different people. Maybe they were always like this, but just better at faking it before. I don't know. But this marketing strategy is so commercialized and transparent that you better hope the tweens see something special in them enough to stay loyal over the long-term, because a lot of their established fans are jumping ship. And FYI, I just became a Green Day fan and heard their music for the first time less than two years ago, so I'm one of those "new" fans you're talking about, NOT a delusional "older" fan who's put them on a pedestal I'm unwilling to knock them off of. Trust me when I say my eyes are wide open when it comes to this band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespertine Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Now this is what actual condescension is. "Idealized Green Day" and "real Green Day"??? That we're all just delusional and can't see the reality or are unwilling to see it and acknowledge it? Seriously? Here's a reality check: Three fucking years ago, Green Day flat-out said they would not put their music in Walmart because of censorship they likened to the 1950s. That's not tradition. That's fact. Now they not only put it in Walmart, but they recorded different versions of their songs to accommodate their complete 180 turn-around. Here's another reality check: Our perception of the band is based on the image they themselves have presented to the world up until four months ago, and their music reflected that image. That's not an inability on the part of the fans to see the band as they really are. That's the band itself either lying about who they are or being hypocrites because they caved on the marketing. Yes bands change and grow, but this? This is like they've just overnight become completely different people. Maybe they were always like this, but just better at faking it before. I don't know. But this marketing strategy is so commercialized and transparent that you better hope the tweens see something special in them enough to stay loyal over the long-term, because a lot of their established fans are jumping ship. And FYI, I just became a Green Day fan and heard their music for the first time less than two years ago, so I'm one of those "new" fans you're talking about, NOT a delusional "older" fan who's put them on a pedestal I'm unwilling to knock them off of. Trust me when I say my eyes are wide open when it comes to this band. Reality check: You're not stanning for an underground punk band. This is a mainstream rock band which has sold over 65 million albums worldwide. They've always marketed their songs/albums, and always will, in one way or another. Calm down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.