Ritz Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I just want to point out that 3/4 previous Twilight soundtracks have debuted at #1, #2, #4 etc. on the US Billboard charts. So the fact that Green Day has the lead single off of something that will in all likelihood outsell (or match) Uno in its first week is enormous for the band. Yeah so strategically its the best move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Awefulness is subjective. I like twilight, books and movies. Awfulness isn't really subjective. Something has to be objectively really bad to be awful. That said, I don't think Twilight is awful at all, but it's generic as hell. I've read all the books and seen the first movie, which was terrible, and I think they're pretty lame. That is just my opinion though. Also you can like things that are objectively bad. Liking something does not mean it's good, it just means you like it. This is still a smart move whether or not you like Twilight though, so as we're all Green Day fans we shouldn't care about anything other than that. If some of us are Twilight fans that's just a bonus I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocaColaX Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I just want to point out that 3/4 previous Twilight soundtracks have debuted at #1, #2, #4 etc. on the US Billboard charts. So the fact that Green Day has the lead single off of something that will in all likelihood outsell (or match) Uno in its first week is enormous for the band. That's encouraging. I'm really looking forward to hearing it - sounds like it is going to be mega.... And, I quite like the Twilight films, only have the 1st one on DVD though, didn't like the rest enough to go and buy them (borrowed them from a fan), but may fork out for BD Pt 2, if Green Day's song is heard prominently in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Awfulness isn't really subjective. Something has to be objectively really bad to be awful. That said, I don't think Twilight is awful at all, but it's generic as hell. I've read all the books and seen the first movie, which was terrible, and I think they're pretty lame. That is just my opinion though. Also you can like things that are objectively bad. Liking something does not mean it's good, it just means you like it. This is still a smart move whether or not you like Twilight though, so as we're all Green Day fans we shouldn't care about anything other than that. If some of us are Twilight fans that's just a bonus I guess. It is subjective because I don't think it's awful, that's the proof of it not being objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 It is subjective because I don't think it's awful, that's the proof of it not being objective. Well, if you can be objective about something by not getting influenced on the likes or dislikes of people on that certain subject you are actually open for it to give it a chance to make you like it. Why wouldn't it work the other way around? Something can be aweful without being called aweful when it simple is aweful. So liking it wouldn't make it less aweful, and disliking it wouldn't make it more aweful. I'm not saying Twillight is awful btw, I'm just focused on the aweful being objective or subjective which is actually off topic. I, however, am not a Twillight fan and never read the books and don't have much of an opinion on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'm not even a particular fan of those bands, but I've always liked the individual songs chosen for the soundtracks. Which is why this news makes me excited for The Forgotten. In any event, since when did Green Day fans have the right to criticize other bands? *rolls eyes* Bieber, yes. But when it comes to music, we don't exactly have the moral or technical high ground, so I'm not going to hate on Linkin Park or Muse or Paramore. Wait, why do you have more of a right to hate on Bieber than those other artists? You realize that Bieber uses and plays instruments in his songs too right? Or is it ok to hate on someone if its the popular thing to do? I'm not a fan of his music, but JB is a very talented individual. He can sing (very well in fact, the only reason people say otherwise is because of the blind hate thing), he can play guitar, drums, and bass, and he's actually pretty decent at acting. Linkin Park is a band who tries too hard to be more complex then they really are. They aren't very good lyricst (their lyrics are usually overly dramatic and sound like they're trying so hard to be deep and poetic, just read some of their lyrics from A Thousand Suns and Living Things and you'll understand what I'm saying) and like their lyrics they overdue it with the experimentation, they aren't really able to create emotion with the sounds they create. Paramore is pretty much the face of places like Hot Topic, and Muse is almost like Radiohead 2.0, the lead singer even ripped off Thom Yorke's (singer of Radiohead) style of singing, and even one of his hairstyles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Wait, why do you have more of a right to hate on Bieber than those other artists? You realize that Bieber uses and plays instruments in his songs too right? Or is it ok to hate on someone if its the popular thing to do? I'm not a fan of his music, but JB is a very talented individual. He can sing (very well in fact, the only reason people say otherwise is because of the blind hate thing), he can play guitar, drums, and bass, and he's actually pretty decent at acting. Linkin Park is a band who tries too hard to be more complex then they really are. They aren't very good lyricst (their lyrics are usually overly dramatic and sound like they're trying so hard to be deep and poetic, just read some of their lyrics from A Thousand Suns and Living Things and you'll understand what I'm saying) and like their lyrics they overdue it with the experimentation, they aren't really able to create emotion with the sounds they create. Paramore is pretty much the face of places like Hot Topic, and Muse is almost like Radiohead 2.0, the lead singer even ripped off Thom Yorke's (singer of Radiohead) style of singing, and even one of his hairstyles. I think it is quite clear that a lot of Green Day fans are not fond of Bieber, so I am sure Heather was aiming for that rather than meaning any if us has more if a right to hate Bieber. Besides who said "hating" anyway, she talked about criticizing, which just part of sending out your opinion. Anyways, back to The Forgotten on the Twillight soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRun Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 11 more days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Rhyme Or Reason Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Wait, why do you have more of a right to hate on Bieber than those other artists? You realize that Bieber uses and plays instruments in his songs too right? Or is it ok to hate on someone if its the popular thing to do? I'm not a fan of his music, but JB is a very talented individual. He can sing (very well in fact, the only reason people say otherwise is because of the blind hate thing), he can play guitar, drums, and bass, and he's actually pretty decent at acting. Linkin Park is a band who tries too hard to be more complex then they really are. They aren't very good lyricst (their lyrics are usually overly dramatic and sound like they're trying so hard to be deep and poetic, just read some of their lyrics from A Thousand Suns and Living Things and you'll understand what I'm saying) and like their lyrics they overdue it with the experimentation, they aren't really able to create emotion with the sounds they create. Paramore is pretty much the face of places like Hot Topic, and Muse is almost like Radiohead 2.0, the lead singer even ripped off Thom Yorke's (singer of Radiohead) style of singing, and even one of his hairstyles. Hold on. You're defending Justin Bieber and explaining why he should be accepted as a legit artist with musical talent. That's fair enough. But then you go on to explain why Linkin Park, Paramore, and Muse are lesser artists? Because Linking Park is too ambitious, Paramore has been associated with Hot Topic, and Matthew Bellamy of Muse has vaguely similar style of singing as Thom Yorke? Your points about Linkin Park are subjective, not factual; maybe a lot of people think they are good lyricists, or are successful at creating relatable emotion, or have just the right amount of experimentation. Paramore's association with Hot Topic has nothing to do with their merit as artists, and they didn't choose to be so embraced by Hot Topic. That just occurred because of their popularity within a certain demographic (one that also is the target demo for HT). Matthew Bellamy's singing can be compared to Thom Yorke's, but it's not like no one else can or does sing like that. And again, it has nothing to do with Muse's merit as artists. I kind of get what you're trying to say, and I understand that we should evaluate all musical acts fairly. But you kind of have a weird hypocrisy in this post, I think. Let me just say this though: I feel like you try too hard to go against the grain. In a recent post, you said that you want to say things that no one else will. So if everyone loves a new Green Day song, you may come in and point out some flaws it has. But I have to wonder if you're doing that JUST because other people are overwhelmingly supportive of the song. You don't have to disagree with us just for the sake of disagreeing. It's okay to disagree, but you should't do it just because you want to be some kind of minority. You should only disagree when you actually do. There's nothing wrong with actually agreeing with everyone every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I think it is quite clear that a lot of Green Day fans are not fond of Bieber, so I am sure Heather was aiming for that rather than meaning any if us has more if a right to hate Bieber. Besides who said "hating" anyway, she talked about criticizing, which just part of sending out your opinion. Anyways, back to The Forgotten on the Twillight soundtrack. It had to do with the way it was said. Like its ok to hate Bieber. Why do the majority of people hate on him? Because other people do. Bandwagon hate, which creates blind hate. I've actually listened to some of his music including non singles so that I actually have a place to dislike it. He's nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be. In some ways he shares similarities to Green Day which makes what Billie's statement ironic. Green Day is a pretty polarizing band that gets lots of blind hate, mainly because its the "in" thing to hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbie Head Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Ooooh does this mean we get a blue tinted video of the guys in a forest featuring clips from the movie I seriously hope NOT. I don't mind it being played in the movie but having a video like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 In some ways he shares similarities to Green Day which makes what Billie's statement ironic. Are you referring to his iHeartradio quote that he's "been around since 1988" and that he's "not Justin Bieber"? If so then you totally got the wrong idea about those lines. He said that meaning that he's been out there for quite some time but he felt that he got treated like an artist that just gets around the corner in the music industry. Justin Bieber is quite popular but still quite "green" in that aspect and I'm sure that's what he was aiming for when throwing those sentences out. We should just drop this JB stuff and keep it on topic because I'm sure I've made myself guilty of that again as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Hold on. You're defending Justin Bieber and explaining why he should be accepted as a legit artist with musical talent. That's fair enough. But then you go on to explain why Linkin Park, Paramore, and Muse are lesser artists? Because Linking Park is too ambitious, Paramore has been associated with Hot Topic, and Matthew Bellamy of Muse has vaguely similar style of singing as Thom Yorke? Your points about Linkin Park are subjective, not factual; maybe a lot of people think they are good lyricists, or are successful at creating relatable emotion, or have just the right amount of experimentation. Paramore's association with Hot Topic has nothing to do with their merit as artists, and they didn't choose to be so embraced by Hot Topic. That just occurred because of their popularity within a certain demographic (one that also is the target demo for HT). Matthew Bellamy's singing can be compared to Thom Yorke's, but it's not like no one else can or does sing like that. And again, it has nothing to do with Muse's merit as artists. I kind of get what you're trying to say, and I understand that we should evaluate all musical acts fairly. But you kind of have a weird hypocrisy in this post, I think. Let me just say this though: I feel like you try too hard to go against the grain. In a recent post, you said that you want to say things that no one else will. So if everyone loves a new Green Day song, you may come in and point out some flaws it has. But I have to wonder if you're doing that JUST because other people are overwhelmingly supportive of the song. You don't have to disagree with us just for the sake of disagreeing. It's okay to disagree, but you should't do it just because you want to be some kind of minority. You should only disagree when you actually do. There's nothing wrong with actually agreeing with everyone every now and then. I don't blindly hate artists or hate things because other people do. I create my own opinions, while a lot of other people just go with other opinions. That's obviously gonna make me have a different opinion. And this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of those bands, so obviously if you're a fan of those bands clearly you'll say different. In the case of Linkin Park, complexity shouldn't be strived for, complexity is chaotic chaos, while when people try to be complex it becomes controlled chaos. Its streamlined, there's no sense of discovery. This is my experince from listening to a wide variety of music from a lot of different genres. Paramore is as much pop punk as you can possibly can get. Trying to act and look all hardcore, when you're as far from it has Maroon 5. Muse does have striking similarities to Radiohead, even with their musical evolution. Every time a Muse song comes on the radio my dad always says "Check it out. They're playing Radiohead for once", but its Muse. That happens every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I seriously hope NOT. I don't mind it being played in the movie but having a video like that... Wouldn't it be wonderful to have sparkling vampires, howling werewolves and Billie shooting out laser beams out of his nipples in the video Though they could also do some kind of animation if the guys are not available for the video shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrongWayToSalvation Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 To get back on topic, I'll listen to the single since its being officially released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Rhyme Or Reason Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I don't blindly hate artists or hate things because other people do. I create my own opinions, while a lot of other people just go with other opinions. That's obviously gonna make me have a different opinion. And this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of those bands, so obviously if you're a fan of those bands clearly you'll say different. In the case of Linkin Park, complexity shouldn't be strived for, complexity is chaotic chaos, while when people try to be complex it becomes controlled chaos. Its streamlined, there's no sense of discovery. This is my experince from listening to a wide variety of music from a lot of different genres. Paramore is as much pop punk as you can possibly can get. Trying to act and look all hardcore, when you're as far from it has Maroon 5. Muse does have striking similarities to Radiohead, even with their musical evolution. Every time a Muse song comes on the radio my dad always says "Check it out. They're playing Radiohead for once", but its Muse. That happens every single time. Not everyone here blindly loves Green Day and their songs, even though that's what you seem to think. It just seems that you purposefully disagree with everyone ONLY because it's not the popular opinion. It's annoying. It's like you always disagree with everyone just for the sake of disagreeing, and that's why a lot of people wonder how much you even like Green Day. It's just kind of weird. Regarding Paramore: They don't really try to be anything. They don't act hardcore, they just act like normal people. I've never gotten the impression that they're tying to be punk or anything, not in their music, their videos, or their day-to-day activities. And Muse happens to have a similar style to Radiohead, so what? It's not like they're ripping off their songs or anything. Maybe your dad just needs to hear Muse more and learn how to differentiate them. You don't have to diss these bands just because other people here mentioned liking them. We should just judge all music fairly: Give every artist a chance and listen to a few of their songs, and if you don't like them, fine. I did that for Justin Bieber - I listened to a couple of his songs on YouTube, formed my own opinions, and decided why I'm not a fan of his music. It's no big deal, but at least I have reason why I dislike his music other than that it's the popular thing to do. Anyways, I'm done talking about that. It's too off topic, so let's just drop it. Cool? So, The Forgotten. I wonder how it's going to sound? I know it's a ballad with strings, so that sounds great! The title makes me think it will be kind of haunting and melancholy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I just remembered that in one of the early trilogy interviews with the band (I think Rolling Stone's first listen last summer) they mentioned that The Forgotten "Leaves a strong hint of John Lennon's 'Mind Games'" or something like that. So just a taste of what we might expect from this uber single... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1039SweetChildren Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I think that review had said that the strings are reminiscent of "Mind Games", not necessarily the entire vibe of the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I don't blindly hate artists or hate things because other people do. I create my own opinions, while a lot of other people just go with other opinions. That's obviously gonna make me have a different opinion. And this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of those bands, so obviously if you're a fan of those bands clearly you'll say different. In the case of Linkin Park, complexity shouldn't be strived for, complexity is chaotic chaos, while when people try to be complex it becomes controlled chaos. Its streamlined, there's no sense of discovery. This is my experince from listening to a wide variety of music from a lot of different genres. Paramore is as much pop punk as you can possibly can get. Trying to act and look all hardcore, when you're as far from it has Maroon 5. Muse does have striking similarities to Radiohead, even with their musical evolution. Every time a Muse song comes on the radio my dad always says "Check it out. They're playing Radiohead for once", but its Muse. That happens every single time. If you dont like Paramore Linkin Park or Muse then stop bitching about them and over annalsing them. Yeah Im a fan of Muse Paramore and Linkin Park big freaking deal. Doesnt mean Im any less of a person for liking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dori_Epiphone Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 iJUST 6 DAYS TO GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieces of Truth Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 iJUST 6 DAYS TO GO! no need to scream, yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 iJUST 6 DAYS TO GO! Until what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dori_Epiphone Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Until what? We can hear THE FORGOTTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Rhyme Or Reason Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 We can hear THE FORGOTTEN I can't wait! Based on the descriptions - uplifting, cinematic, Beatlesesque ballad with sweeping strings - it sounds epic and beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dori_Epiphone Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I can't wait! Based on the descriptions - uplifting, cinematic, Beatlesesque ballad with sweeping strings - it sounds epic and beautiful. yes I love Green Day´s ballads <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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