GreenFighter Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm so lost! No band in the last decade has come even close to the success of Green Day, so to be honest I don't think comments about how their irrelevant today make any sense. The only reason people believe that music such as Green Day is no longer popular is because of the media trying to ram Katy Perry down our throats. Look at the all these festivals today that have real bands, they sell many many tickets. Believe me, albums that sell are ones that are made by true musicians. Just look at Mumford and Sons! To say that Green Day are now irrelevant and that is why Billie did what he did is pure nonsense. I wish Billie the best in his recovery not only for his health but so they can get back out there doing what they love, selling out shows across the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd86arg Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 The Offspring https://twitter.com/...772437418004482 Fat Mike https://twitter.com/...114260854767616 Fuck the Kids, Juicehead, See Her Pee... 3 songs in one minute. Whats the problem with one minute?— Mike Burkett (@FatMike_of_NOFX) September 24, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 https://twitter.com/...772437418004482 Just replied with "how is it that after 25 years of making better music than you that you cant spell his name" EDIT: I expect to get several nasty responses. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorKlinke Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Just replied with "how is it that after 25 years of making better music than you that you cant spell his name" EDIT: I expect to get several nasty responses. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stories and songs Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I don't know - we know that Green Day would never release an album that they weren't feeling. They'll always work hard and will always try to one-up themselves, just because that's how they are. I think it is impossible to compare the success of American Idiot to what could happen with Uno, because they have two totally different sounds. American Idiot was just more commercial, that's all. I wholeheartedly disagree that they're time is up. Granted, I have all of about 15 Facebook friends who "Like" Green Day, but that's just the current trend with music. It ebbs and flows. Rock will come back into popularity again, but as of right now pop hip-hop seem to be reigning supreme. That isn't a reflection of any one rock band's lack of success or something, though, that is music as a whole right now. And as far as rock bands go, Green Day is one of the most popular, for certain. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan; I really can't think of many other rock bands that are as huge as Green Day. Having a substance abuse problem is a medical condition. It's an addiction. I don't think this could ever be as simple as saying "Billie is just trying to deal with not being as popular as eight years ago." Unless he tells us, we'll never know why this is happening. And really, after 51 pages, I seriously agree that this thread is getting redundant. We have all the info that we're likely going to get right now, we all are concerned, and we wish him nothing but the best. I think speculating about what is going on is causing more harm than good. And we could all use some good right now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_runs Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 The Offspring https://twitter.com/...772437418004482 Fat Mike https://twitter.com/...114260854767616 https://twitter.com/...118729277517826 they're just bitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd86arg Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm laughing lol, it's funny for me xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTI Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 To those that say he had been sober for a year on the last page, I'm pretty sure that in the riders for their shows that they have some beer or alcohol. At least I believe I read that. They usually have something before they go on. Not to get drunk, but to get loose and calm the nerves. I'd probably do the same if I was in their situation. I, personally, don't think he has done any "hard" drugs since probably Nimrod era. They have grown up a lot. It's just weird seeing a guy that I don't even know, respect so much, and who may never know how much I enjoy his music, going through a tough time. It makes me step back and realize that no matter how happy someone seems, something underlying may be going on. I hope he takes as much time as needed to get healthy and back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I personally think this is the toughest part of life to swallow. Forty years old, a little over halfway to the lifespan of the average American. Even if you're a superstar at forty, chances are, your most important, memorable acts are behind you. That's not universally true, but I think it's something Billie is going to have come to terms with like a lot of other people. The culture is moving away from what embraced Green Day initially and they can try to adapt to suit new styles all they want and play concerts like iHeart to attract new fans but the fact is, their best days are behind them. Green Day, as sad as it is to say, is no longer very relevant in the sense of 'new' music. Sure they'll watch those they've influenced grow up before them, but, as Andy Warhol would say, "Their fifteen minutes is up." This doesn't mean they have to stop making music and doing what they love, but it does mean that Billie and the others are going to have to accept that the lifestyle they've grown accustomed to is coming to an end. They aren't going to find huge radio success. They aren't going to be gracing magazine covers anymore. This tour is probably their last hurrah and I think they're realizing it. As much as I like Uno! it's a record from a band at the end of the line. It's one last shot at recapturing some old glory. It's not an evolution, it's a regression because Green Day has realized that they've evolved out of the mainstream that they created. They've tried to relive the past one last time, but it won't be the same. My opinion, and it's just that, is that Billie Joe really just needs some time to understand that he's entering the twilight of his career. The Who and The Rolling Stones still tour the world, but no one under twenty or maybe even thirty really gives a shit if they drop a new tune or album. So I'm not so sure that anything we're seeing is the result of alcohol or marijuana or crosstops or cocaine or anything else like that. I think it all has more to do with the frustration of finally stepping out of the brightest spotlight. That's what we saw at iHeart. The kids didn't know the words to the songs. Usher dipped into their set without consequence. A girl refused to climb on stage with Billie. He burst. He lost it. He saw what was happening, and I just don't think he could take it. 1988 is a long time ago. I think that's why he referenced his tenure. He wants people to remember how long he and Green Day have been around. He wants to drop more fucks than I've ever heard before because maybe it'll breed some sort of connection. He just needs a few weeks to wrestle with these demons. I think the rest will all fall in line after that. I gotta say, for the most part, i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirnt286 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I personally think this is the toughest part of life to swallow. Forty years old, a little over halfway to the lifespan of the average American. Even if you're a superstar at forty, chances are, your most important, memorable acts are behind you. That's not universally true, but I think it's something Billie is going to have come to terms with like a lot of other people. The culture is moving away from what embraced Green Day initially and they can try to adapt to suit new styles all they want and play concerts like iHeart to attract new fans but the fact is, their best days are behind them. Green Day, as sad as it is to say, is no longer very relevant in the sense of 'new' music. Sure they'll watch those they've influenced grow up before them, but, as Andy Warhol would say, "Their fifteen minutes is up." This doesn't mean they have to stop making music and doing what they love, but it does mean that Billie and the others are going to have to accept that the lifestyle they've grown accustomed to is coming to an end. They aren't going to find huge radio success. They aren't going to be gracing magazine covers anymore. This tour is probably their last hurrah and I think they're realizing it. As much as I like Uno! it's a record from a band at the end of the line. It's one last shot at recapturing some old glory. It's not an evolution, it's a regression because Green Day has realized that they've evolved out of the mainstream that they created. They've tried to relive the past one last time, but it won't be the same. My opinion, and it's just that, is that Billie Joe really just needs some time to understand that he's entering the twilight of his career. The Who and The Rolling Stones still tour the world, but no one under twenty or maybe even thirty really gives a shit if they drop a new tune or album. So I'm not so sure that anything we're seeing is the result of alcohol or marijuana or crosstops or cocaine or anything else like that. I think it all has more to do with the frustration of finally stepping out of the brightest spotlight. That's what we saw at iHeart. The kids didn't know the words to the songs. Usher dipped into their set without consequence. A girl refused to climb on stage with Billie. He burst. He lost it. He saw what was happening, and I just don't think he could take it. 1988 is a long time ago. I think that's why he referenced his tenure. He wants people to remember how long he and Green Day have been around. He wants to drop more fucks than I've ever heard before because maybe it'll breed some sort of connection. He just needs a few weeks to wrestle with these demons. I think the rest will all fall in line after that. I completely, completely agree with the last paragraph. Totally. 100% However, I still feel like Green Days biggest fan base is under 25. And they are still huge. You see it at their shows. And they just released American Idiot less than 10 years ago and the Broadway show is still going strong and Tom Hanks (who has been around since 19-fucking-50 something) is producing it. Thats my opinion. I will agree with you on one other thing though. Yeah, Green Day isnt as relevant in POPULAR music, as Usher, Rhianna, Linkin Park, etc. Yup, so true. I think Green Day be becoming more a cult following / diehard fan type base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksoda Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Just so guys know, Billie and Fat Mike are (or at least were) friends, and he has stated numerous times that he still likes Green Day. So don't get uptight about his tweets, he's just being Fat Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I will agree with you on one other thing though. Yeah, Green Day isnt as relevant in POPULAR music, as Usher, Rhianna, Linkin Park, etc. Yup, so true. I think Green Day be becoming more a cult following / diehard fan type base. That's the same as most rock music, though. It's just not in the mainstream right now. I think it's gonna come back soon, in a big way. Some band is going to reinvent the genre, like Green Day and Nirvana did with punk and grunge in the nineties, and rock's gonna come back, and be a little more mainstream again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scentless Apprentice Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 For starters, I do not believe in the "substance abuse" statement made by Green Day Warner Bros. It is not an official apology from Billie himself, or even the band for that matter; it sounded completely like management's doing. For one, it doesn't even state what substance he's "abusing." Not to mention they lied about not having their set cut short - when every other performer has 45 minutes and Green Day gets the 1 minute(s) mark after 25, it's blatantly obvious. And that is why, drunk or not, Billie's actions are at least understandable. I, too, would be livid if they tried to pull that stunt on me (someone that has been in the biggest band in the world for 2 decades) to make room for Rihanna and Usher. Fuck that. It is far more likely that Billie Joe got really hammered during a music FESTIVAL in LAS VEGAS. This is not a reoccurring issue and I am really dumbfounded that people are rushing out to make a "Get Well video" for Billie, facepalm. In all honesty, their marketing team probably scheduled the gig in the first place, seeing how Green Day hates most of those acts and their shitty fans to begin with. I think it is a lot more believable that Billie got drunk/ cussed out the wrong people/ Warner Bros. is trying to fix it/ and Billie is paying the price + helping out Rob Cavallo. That is my opinion. That being said, does anyone else feel like this is potentially ruins the epicness and fun of the trilogy?? I mean, ¡Dos! is supposed to be the "party album" and now all people are going to think about is Billie's "problem." Even though his family is completely fine and there has been no signs of a problem (since '97-'01). And they never stated rehab either - only treatment, which could literally mean anything. God, I'm sick and tired of reading horribly written/biased articles trashing Green Day. Clear Channel can F.O.D. for creating this problem in the first place. Tl;dr - people are completely overreacting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlee Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 you probably should post your opinions in the specific thread here http://www.greendaycommunity.org/topic/90220-billie-getting-treatment-for-substance-abuse/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 People ARE overreacting! Agree Agree Agree Agree Agree! Billie was drunk, shitfaced, wasted, etc. That apology was from management or whatever. Everything will be fine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scentless Apprentice Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 @Marlee That thread's original topic has been buried by unrelated content, and the majority of users' comments are the reason I created this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabionei Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I totally agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd86arg Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Just so guys know, Billie and Fat Mike are (or at least were) friends, and he has stated numerous times that he still likes Green Day. So don't get uptight about his tweets, he's just being Fat Mike. that's the point lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
! Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I personally think this is the toughest part of life to swallow. Forty years old, a little over halfway to the lifespan of the average American. Even if you're a superstar at forty, chances are, your most important, memorable acts are behind you. That's not universally true, but I think it's something Billie is going to have come to terms with like a lot of other people. The culture is moving away from what embraced Green Day initially and they can try to adapt to suit new styles all they want and play concerts like iHeart to attract new fans but the fact is, their best days are behind them. Green Day, as sad as it is to say, is no longer very relevant in the sense of 'new' music. Sure they'll watch those they've influenced grow up before them, but, as Andy Warhol would say, "Their fifteen minutes is up." This doesn't mean they have to stop making music and doing what they love, but it does mean that Billie and the others are going to have to accept that the lifestyle they've grown accustomed to is coming to an end. They aren't going to find huge radio success. They aren't going to be gracing magazine covers anymore. This tour is probably their last hurrah and I think they're realizing it. As much as I like Uno! it's a record from a band at the end of the line. It's one last shot at recapturing some old glory. It's not an evolution, it's a regression because Green Day has realized that they've evolved out of the mainstream that they created. They've tried to relive the past one last time, but it won't be the same. My opinion, and it's just that, is that Billie Joe really just needs some time to understand that he's entering the twilight of his career. The Who and The Rolling Stones still tour the world, but no one under twenty or maybe even thirty really gives a shit if they drop a new tune or album. So I'm not so sure that anything we're seeing is the result of alcohol or marijuana or crosstops or cocaine or anything else like that. I think it all has more to do with the frustration of finally stepping out of the brightest spotlight. That's what we saw at iHeart. The kids didn't know the words to the songs. Usher dipped into their set without consequence. A girl refused to climb on stage with Billie. He burst. He lost it. He saw what was happening, and I just don't think he could take it. 1988 is a long time ago. I think that's why he referenced his tenure. He wants people to remember how long he and Green Day have been around. He wants to drop more fucks than I've ever heard before because maybe it'll breed some sort of connection. He just needs a few weeks to wrestle with these demons. I think the rest will all fall in line after that. While I respect your opinion, I just think your writing this out of pure emotion. Bottom of the line is, Bilie was fucked up, drunk, stoned, shitfaced, etc etc. He felt disrespected, and he acted out because he was on something. If he was sober, this most likely wouldn't have happened. Everything will be fine as soon as we can all get over this and just enjoy the music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd86arg Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Just replied with "how is it that after 25 years of making better music than you that you cant spell his name" EDIT: I expect to get several nasty responses. Lol Reply you, for me they are being sarcastic supporting billie joe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Smh Just Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsay Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Is this discussion REALLY still going on? -.- People really are overreacting... and I don't mean it in the way you're thinking. Why don't we all just shut up about this and let Billie be, because in the end, his personal life is really none of our business. If he is indeed getting help, I wish him the best on the road to recovery, but this whole discussion is just getting redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniax Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 oh common sense.. I knew you were still out there somewhere People are nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilie Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Not to mention they lied about not having their set cut short - when every other performer has 45 minutes and Green Day gets the 1 minute(s) mark after 25, it's blatantly obvious. WhiteTim spent a long time talking about this in the original thread. You might want to check out what he said. Also, the thread hasn't been buried. It's third from the top...I think your post belongs in there, seeing a lot of other people have been saying the same things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I agree too. A lot of media are blowing it out of proportion. They just want to focus on the negative and they're treating it as a "typical rock star rehab" story. It sucks that it seems like this story is going to mask the epicness of UNO. Also, I do hate all the GD bashing. So unecessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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