Billie getting treatment for substance abuse.

[DannyDirnt]

i think its perfectly reasonable to be upset over this, actually. Billies got issues, i dont think it helps anyone to denote the seriousness

I think it's reasonable to some point, but I think people seem to be too upset for what this is. Still, this is probably one of these situations when I should just have kept my mouth shut.

[insomniax]

I don't understand how everyone can be so sure of what really happened and what the causes were. Did I miss something or what? Have the guys actually said anything?

In this thread I've read a bunch of "finally he's accepting his problem" "he has issues" "It's a PR-thingy to save his butt"..."no it's not, you dumb motherfucker"... but we don't even know if this is a problem or a simple "drunk and pissed" (come on, we've all been there). If it's PR or not.

I understand that people are worried, for christ sake, I am too. This our hero, this is our band and we always wish them the best and stand behind them no matter what.

But do we really need to drag conclusions out of (most of the time) pure bullshit articles and shitty tv news?

I don't know about anyone else, but very few things pisses me off as much as people making up their minds before they have the full story.

Or maybe we're just suppose to expect the worst so everything less than that will sound pretty ok.

[Rusty Hart]

Mike so energetic. in that photo

Billie seeking treatment for substance abuse,

but i think not rehad.

that's same with rehab?

i really didn't know..

[lucatotti]

It's funny that I use this amazing Album UNO for coming to other thoughts

[Pieces of Truth]

It's funny that I use this amazing Album UNO for coming to other thoughts

Not only that, I listened to Uno the whole time while preparing for my math exam, guess who got a 2 (aka an B) ? Moi. This is 3 grades better than usually 'cause my math skills are crap. This album is a miracle

[lucatotti]

Not only that, I listened to Uno the whole time while preparing for my math exam, guess who got a 2 (aka an B) ? Moi. This is 3 grades better than usually 'cause my math skills are crap. This album is a miracle

wow congrats! :DD

I think I am not able to get that kind of mark in a Math test -- even with UNO.

[Hermione]

I don't understand how everyone can be so sure of what really happened and what the causes were. Did I miss something or what? Have the guys actually said anything?

In this thread I've read a bunch of "finally he's accepting his problem" "he has issues" "It's a PR-thingy to save his butt"..."no it's not, you dumb motherfucker"... but we don't even know if this is a problem or a simple "drunk and pissed" (come on, we've all been there). If it's PR are or not.

I understand that people are worried, for christ sake, I am too. This our hero, this is our band and we always wish them the best and stand behind them no matter what.

But do we really need to drag conclusions out of (most of the time) pure bullshit articles and shitty tv news?

I don't know about anyone else, but very few things pisses me off as much as people making up their minds before they have the full story.

Or maybe we're just suppose to expect the worst so everything less than that will sound pretty ok.

Exactly, feeling concerned and wishing Billie the best is fine. But speculating, guessing, coming up with theories, analyzing every little thing or trying to be some kind of psychologist are all pointless things to be doing. Nothing but a waste of time and energy.

[netty]

Exactly, feeling concerned and wishing Billie the best is fine. But speculating, guessing, coming up with theories, analyzing every little thing or trying to be some kind of psychologist are all pointless things to be doing. Nothing but a waste of time and energy.

which is what green day fans are good at. as well as spouting complete and utter bollocks!

[Rivada]

Whoever else watched the pre-show Iheart interview, what the heck was up with Tre's corny plug "Iheart radio is just so cool" or whatever? There was like, no passion in his voice. Did anyone see Rihianna's set? Was it any good? Green Day said they wanted to blow everyone else outta the water in the same competitive way they talked about willingly performing with Blink on Pop Disaster... so I just wondered how that all looked in the end.

And on a side note, lolz to fans who seem like they imagine GD as a squeaky clean group. GREEN DAY itself was a drug reference and they've been referencing various substances via lyrics ever since. Everyone remembers fat Billie Joe in his leopard thong singing King For A Day - a beer gut which he later attributed to drinking too much beer. Then he was suddenly a skinny little rail for the A Idiot Era and that screamed "cocaine" to me, but I'll never know for sure. It's his life and whether he needs a little or a lot of help, he's Billie Joe. Not Justin F*ing Beiber. <3

[I-Like-Pop-Tarts]

Oh gosh, 48 pages of speculation from the sentence "Billie Joe is seeking treatment for substance abuse". That i've read all of..

I don't think there is anything constructive anyone can add except for.. Best wishes to BJ and his family / friends.

[Rivada]

/\ whoops, all our bad for not inserting ONLY PROPER REACTION HERE like you did.

[Schlappy]

Oh gosh, 48 pages of speculation from the sentence "Billie Joe is seeking treatment for substance abuse". That i've read all of..

I don't think there is anything constructive anyone can add except for.. Best wishes to BJ and his family / friends.

so true, haha. i keep reading them all though looking for new information... there is none

[I-Like-Pop-Tarts]

Yes that's why I'm narky. I'm the fool who read all 48 pages haha. Don't do it.. it just goes round in circles people!

ETA - not in 1 sitting of course. That would be crazy.

[Trina]

Listen guys, I really think we should drop the conspiracy theories. It's disrespectful, untrue, causing confusion and at the end of the day not really important. Who cares about the record label, festival organisers, radio people? Fuck 'em all. Let this be a thread of support and love for Billie. I think many of you are in denial. I understand it's shocking, confusing, upsetting. We were all laughing at the clip a few days ago. It's weird, it feels better to deny it, come up with some theory. At the end of the day though, do you really think Green Day would lie to us like this? Would Adrienne, Mike, Tre, Billie's aunt, Tre's ex-wife, Brittney really all get together and feign concern and lie for the sake of promotion or money? If this was some doing by the record label do you really think they'd all go along with it, including Billie? Of course not. It's time to stop being ridiculous and face up to the truth, even if it hurts.

The reason for the apology, in my eyes was that Green Day are a down to earth, hard working band. They are not arrogant or rude - not in this way, at least! People paid to see this festival including some GD fans and at the end of the day, Billie is probably ashamed for playing while drunk (and possibly high) to an audience and for getting so angry in a certain way. There were a few comments that have been strange. The Gwen and Rihanna (and Sharon Osbourne, omg!) comments and also he said something about some Argentinian guy that just...didn't sound like something he'd normally say. If Green Day feel the need, feel they should apologise, we have to accept that. Maybe they did apologise to save further trouble or the record label asked them to. I sort of doubt this but at the end of the day, does it really fucking matter? Let's just leave it, it's just words, who cares.

About the debate over whether their time was cut or not, can I just point out that Billie Joe never actually said there time was cut?! He was upset about their set going by quick and ending, yes. Upset he didn't have more time. Yet he never said that he was meant to have more time, y'know? I feel like this part has kinda been caused by us saying so and then the media picking it up on youtube comments (which is where they also seem to have gotten confused over Usher, thinking he was coming on after). Let's just give it a rest. I originally thought their time had been cut before the statement but I now believe them. It's just a really irritiating, pointless discussion, going round and round and again, does it really matter? No.

I've been quite upset and definitely angry over a lot of comments from the media, randomers but especially fans. By people doubting any of this they're basically accusing Green Day of lying. I don't understand people who think just because he's used ...substances for years that he couldn't possibly need help (seriously, how does that make sense?!) and I equally don't understand people who are completely shocked about the situation, like 100% confused that he has any problems at all. ...Do you listen to his lyrics or do y'all have some acapella copies of the albums that I haven't found yet? He writes such bravely honest, extremely personal and often dark words. I can't help but wonder have some of you been listening at all? To fans who say they're disappointed in him, seriously fuck right off. He owes you NOTHING. He owes none of us a single fucking thing. He's already done SO much for us, constantly going above and beyond. Now's our time to support him. Also, I'd like to highlight the fact that Billie Joe has a panic disorder. I just...I want to drive home the fact to people who don't understand what that's like, how incredibly difficult it is to have this. It is very very difficult to cope with. Please have some understanding that this isn't a case of some rockstar going to rehab from partying to hard and seeking attention but it's a lovely guy with some issues out of his control, with an incredible love and passion for his family and his band who is going to get some help so he can continue to be his amazing self.

From a personal standpoint, I'm very upset over this. Obviously we knew he was drunk during the performance and I remember considering whether he was on coke (not much btw and please don't be mad at me saying this, it's just speculation, probably wrong, it was just my thought at the time that I brushed off till I heard the news) just because he seemed a bit off.. His anger was a little different from what we've seen before and deep down it did make me a little uncomfortable but honestly I agreed with what he said (besides being bewildered at the comments I mentioned above). I've always been under the impression Billie Joe was a heavy drinker off and (mostly) on and of course had inklings about other substances which I assumed to be occasional and again on and off. (One thing I'm confused about is why Claudia said he'd been sober for a year. I think I've seen Mike's sister and possibly Billie's say something along the lines of this or that they don't drink before but it doesn't seem to be true? Well idk, the details don't really matter I guess). For some reason I never imagined him going to rehab even though I've thought it could get worse. I suppose I see him as the type who would really dislike seeking help like that (I'm like that too) which just makes me prouder of him, really. The family wasn't with him on the recent promotional tour and I think he was definitely missing Adrienne, big time. It must be more difficult to remain sober when you have issues and you're main support system isn't physically there. Since the statement was so vague, I feel unsure exactly what's going on and how serious the problem is. My main assumption is he feels he let the band down, is thinking "fuck, this can't be happening on the regular" especially when they're set to have a very busy time and he's taken the very brave decision to get some help and sort things out a bit.I think he's gonna come out kicking (although at the same time I can't help but worry if he doesn't learn to cope properly something similar will happen again eventually). He has a great support system though. Mike and Tre, two amazing friends, huh? We all seen what they did. Adrienne is the most fucking incredible woman.

I had quite a bad reaction to this, my stomach dropped when I checked instagram for some silly GD photos and instead seen peoples comments under Mike's pic. Checking GDA to confirm things I ran upstairs and threw up. Suffice to say I was pretty freakin scared! I cried in my room (and later my moms!) for hours and had a nasty panic attack...Then I just felt weird. Empty, numb, dead, guilty, scared, angry (at people around him and judgemental people), shocked and just really fucking sad. Billie Joe is like family to me. Without getting to into it I would not be here without him and he's the most important person to me besides my mom.

It's a weird situation to be in, isn't it? To care so deeply for someone yet not be able to do anything tangible to help. I felt really really helpless. I sent good vibes and reiki and I've realised there's nothing I can actually do but be continue to give my support and be a fan. It's strange, I felt sick having to check the internet desperately for an update on someone who meant so much to me. It's just strange. It felt weird. It was like if something happened to my mom or dad or brother and I had to be checking through loads of shit on the internet for some sort of info to know what the fuck was going on. (Oh and this is why I'd urge the mods not to close the thread even though it's a mess. This is a really unique and weird, scary situation. Only we know how we feel, y'know? This weird helpless feeling. I think it's good for us to have a place to talk to eachother about it. Just hopefully people can cut the crap down a bit.)

Anyways, I've settled down a bit. I spent yesterday just moping about, lying in bed, felt real shit. Still feeling the same today but to a lesser extent and I'm starting to feel less scared and more glad that he's seeked help and that afterward there's gonna be lots of awesome GD times ahead. All I want is for him to be happy and healthy. I wish it so hard it hurts. I kept saying the night I found out, "anyone but him, please, anyone but him". I still feel like that. Anyways, trying to cheer myself up I came up with the theory that he smoked crack with his mom and Flava Flav before the show. JOKE you guys.

Anyways, I'm sure I forgot a lot of points I wanted to make but yeah, sorry for the (very) long and messy rant. I've just been building this up over the past couple days but didn't have the heart to come write about it 'till now. So well done Billie Joe for being brave and thanks for everything. You'll always be my hero and I'll always be a fan.

Ugh and look at this stupid slideshow of untimely meltdowns. *rolls eyes* http://www.latimes.c...d20120924110246 Billie Joe alongside Chris Brown? Fuck off. I commented on it with the name Dreamcatcher72.

Anyways, please let's chill with the conspiracy theories. Thanks guys. Love to you all.

[GuitarPunk94]

Oh gosh, 48 pages of speculation from the sentence "Billie Joe is seeking treatment for substance abuse". That i've read all of..

I don't think there is anything constructive anyone can add except for.. Best wishes to BJ and his family / friends.

well its a forum and why shouldnt ppl discuss stuff about this

[Rivada]

Listen guys, I really think we should drop the conspiracy theories.

Um, you mean now that we've all had to read YOUR essay? "In MY eyes, THIS IS WHAT I THINK, blah blah, I thought he might be on coke, blah blah blah"...

Slick move.

EDIT: I didn't really read your whole thing because it was so long, but I scrolled back up later about how Billie or the forum or something made you lie in bed feeling sick or crying or whatever, and I felt really bad. Billie probably wouldn't want that. Just buy the album - he knows you love him. Keep your head up.

[Trina]

Um, you mean now that we've all had to read YOUR essay? "In MY eyes, THIS IS WHAT I THINK, blah blah, I thought he might be on coke, blah blah blah"...

Slick move.

No-one had to read it. You could just scroll past it. It's a forum and I'm entitled to post as much as I want. I'm very upset over this and like I explained didn't feel able to write about it until now so I've held a lot in. Obviously I'm going to be posting from my personal view point?! The reason I kept saying stuff like "In my eyes" and "I think" is because I don't want to appear like I'm stating something as fact when I'm just saying my personal feelings on it. Especially the coke thing, which I didn't know whether to put in or not as I don't want to upset anyone or seem like I'm stating that. I'm just saying that's what went through my head due to his strange anger and dilated pupils and that I brushed that feeling off originally. Of course it mightn't be true. I already said it's probably not.

When I'm saying drop the conspiracy theories I mean the stuff about this being staged, fake, the record label or festival's doing or for promo. I'm saying it's insulting to Billie and his friends and family as it's implying their lying. I'm not asking people to stop talking or even speculating to a point. I even urged the mods to leave the thread open so people could talk about it.

I dunno why what I said rubbed you the wrong way but I think you may have misunderstood my points. :\

[Trina]

EDIT: I didn't really read your whole thing because it was so long, but I scrolled back up later about how Billie or the forum or something made you lie in bed feeling sick or crying or whatever, and I felt really bad. Billie probably wouldn't want that. Just buy the album - he knows you love him. Keep your head up.

That's understandable. Yeah, I was very upset and worried for him. Don't feel bad, it's not your problem. I know he wouldn't. I have (ah, love it!). Thanks.

[Rivada]

Especially the coke thing, which I didn't know whether to put in or not as I don't want to upset anyone or seem like I'm stating that. I'm just saying that's what went through my head due to his strange anger and dilated pupils and that I brushed that feeling off originally. Of course it mightn't be true. I already said it's probably not.

Right, but, that's all ANYONE is doing here - stating what went through their head. Judging someone else's response because they think it sounds like a substance+set time+rant+rehab+ etc is related, staged, or whatever - that's not fair. Don't tell other people not to question things or think for themselves. I mean, you have this whole righteous point "guys, are we saying that Green Day LIED?!?!" and it's like... sigh. Dude. Yeah, MAYBE Green Day is gonna lie, too - they're not going to execute every single move in their lives like saints.

If we always listened to what Green Day "officially said" then we'd never believe that The Network was their album. The whole alleged fight with the band, the promotion for that album - do you remember that? It was up to us to know to laugh it off and figure it out for what it was. Green Day's gonna surprise you - they might even let you down. They're a band, not a bible.

And their website released a statement that combined two things in such a way that made everyone question what happened. No one here, that I read, said "Yeah, it WAS a pr move" - they just suggested that it could have been. If anything, the ones spouting their opinions like facts are the ones who are going "THEIR SET LIST WAS. OVER. I KNOW BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS ALL TO END ALL AND I AM AN IHEART GURU". Okay, - so like, thanks for shedding some light on the fact that they probably knew everyone only had thirty minutes, but screw you for the way you're campaigning your message and using it to claim you know everything. You're worse than a rumor.

[bjrules]

Ergh, I just came across an article about this entitled "21st Century Breakdown". Shit like that really pisses me off

[Schlappy]

This is a really good article, best one i've seen so far... and from MTV no less. You might not agree with everything, i dont either, but it's well put and something to think about. I'm not the only one who listens to UNO a bit differently now.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1694366/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-uno.jhtml?xrs=share_tumblr

[Trina]

Right, but, that's all ANYONE is doing here - stating what went through their head. Judging someone else's response because they think it sounds like a substance+set time+rant+rehab+ etc is related, staged, or whatever - that's not fair. Don't tell other people not to question things or think for themselves. I mean, you have this whole righteous point "guys, are we saying that Green Day LIED?!?!" and it's like... sigh. Dude. Yeah, MAYBE Green Day is gonna lie, too - they're not going to execute every single move in their lives like saints.

If we always listened to what Green Day "officially said" then we'd never believe that The Network was their album. The whole alleged fight with the band, the promotion for that album - do you remember that? It was up to us to know to laugh it off and figure it out for what it was. Green Day's gonna surprise you - they might even let you down. They're a freaking band, not a bible.

Sure. The thing is, I feel people should drop debating whether the record label or the festival organisers made him do this and about whether their set was cut as I feel it's pointless and actually causing confusion and taking away from the actual situation of Billie seeking help. I think it's a different thing to discussing Billie Joe and his treatment and how we're feeling about it, etc. If you don't feel the same, that's fine. I was only stating my opinion. You're free to do the same. I just feel their different things, y'know. One important, one not. I understand it's all sorta related though. I'm not judging people responses in an unfair way? I didn't even mention anyone's actual posts or something. I was summing up some of my feelings on a 50 page thread. Like..that's a big thread with a lot of responses and a lot of back and forth. I'm not trying to be righteous at all. I think it's a fair point and one that needs to be said that people should maybe reconsider would Green Day and their families lie about something so serious to us? If you don't think that's a fair point, fine. I know they're not saints and everyone lies, of course. This is a serious situation though and not something they'd lie about especially not to save face...save their image, the record labels, some shitty festivals. Do you not see what I mean?

I think it's silly to bring up something like The Network and compare it to Billie's substance abuse. It was kinda obvious that was a joke, y'know? The silly costumes and exchanges, etc? Rehab...not so silly, y'know? Substance abuse...not so funny. Yep, Green Day are full of surprises but nah, thanks, I don't think they'd lie about their singers health like this. That's observant to know they're not a bible!

I think we'll have to agree to disagree so. My post's point was that there shouldn't be back and forth arguments over this and welp, look what happened. If you want to pm me, feel free. If you want to post back here, feel free but I do feel bad clogging up the thread.

P.S. Green Day's never let me down.

And their website released a statement that combined two things in such a way that made everyone question what happened. No one here, that I read, said "Yeah, it WAS a pr move" - they just suggested that it could have been. If anything, the ones spouting their opinions like facts are the ones who are going "THEIR SET LIST WAS. OVER. I KNOW BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS ALL TO END ALL AND I AM AN IHEART GURU". Okay, - so like, thanks for shedding some light on the fact that they probably knew everyone only had thirty minutes, but screw you for the way you're campaigning your message and using it to claim you know everything. You're worse than a rumor.

Okay..you seem to have added more to your previous post so;

Yes, I understand the statement was a bit weird and I addressed my feelings on it in my first post. Well, I seen a lot of people who seemed pretty sure it was post on here. Yes, I know people keep repeating that and I'm finding it irritating too. I suppose they're just replying to the people who said it was cut but yeah, I think it's unhelpful and I also think they should chill and stop with it. Like I said in my first post, I originally believed their set was cut too. I now think it probably wasn't but my main point about it is that I don't feel it matter whether it was or not. Like I said, Billie didn't even claim it was so I feel it should just be let go. I dunno, I haven't been saying stuff along those lines really so maybe your issue lies with someone else and should be taken up with them over pm.

[lucatotti]

This is a really good article, best one i've seen so far... and from MTV no less. You might not agree with everything, i dont either, but it's well put and something to think about. I'm not the only one who listens to UNO a bit differently now.

http://www.mtv.com/n...rs=share_tumblr

wow, I'm listening to UNO also another way now, but this is something that could be right.

[21stcenturyidiot]

Just saying it like I see it bro. When you're a multi-millionaire in a grammy award winning rock band you're gonna be surrounded by the types of people you probably derided on the way to the top. Fall slightly off the wagon for a second and the mollycoddled, sycophantic nature of the community you've found yourself in will've changed your grip on reality to the extent that a very minor drug 'habit' (for lack of a better word) is regarded as something that needs to be fixed, with the help of professionals, rather than mended through personal strength and willpower.

You've made two posts on this forum neither of which have made any sort of real contribution, your opinion means shit.

[Rivada]

I think it's silly to bring up something like The Network and compare it to Billie's substance abuse. It was kinda obvious that was a joke, y'know? The silly costumes and exchanges, etc? Rehab...not so silly, y'know? Substance abuse...not so funny.

Thanks for your reply. I don't see you as cluttering up anything, by the way. But to clarify, I didn't mention The Network in order to compare it to abuse. I brought it up to compare it to the way this place reacted when the album was released. Billie was singing on the tracks and playing his guitar and yet it took DAYS before the posters here even "confirmed" that it was indeed a Green Day project. They were listening to Green Day, hearing them with their own ears, but believing the online stunt over their own common sense. That's why I reminded you of it. There is an influential power when you're famous - don't ever think that it can't be manipulated.

Green Day has embraced questionable things like mainstream media for one reason - to get their music out there. So when a story like this one runs, I personally think that it's important to study alternative motives. And when I say that I'm "not worried" about him it means that I'm moving on with my daily activities and keeping him in mind, confidant in the hero that I believe him to be. Just because I don't want to make some tribute video or light candles or not google/discuss the story, doesn't mean that I'm laughing.