BlackBaboon Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Exactly. You're allowed to have a different interpretation. Waking up in a pool or sweat and thinking you pissed the bed to me signals either a passionate dream about a woman or a wet dream which at any age over 12 could be considered the same thing. The Eiffel Tower is a pretty famous phallic symbol and the kiss of death on it leads me to... well you get the picture. Out of sight but not out of mind- so you're up at midnight thinking about this girl, but she's not there. Now what does it mean to have a dream and fall for someone? It could be literal but based upon a few of the other lines I'm going to say, he woke up thinking about a woman and masturbated. That would keep with the living in denial part because he's essentially imagining making love to this girl. The paper planes line throws me a bit because I think it primarily refers to joints, which I don't think would really keep with the story unless it's just him trying to calm himself. However, the other possibility I see is as tissues, used for masturbation becoming sort of balled up and plane like. So he's crashed into her. He's masturbated thinking of her and now he's wondering if she's doing the same. Like I said, it's open to interpretation but that's what it felt like right away to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 You're allowed to have a different interpretation. Waking up in a pool or sweat and thinking you pissed the bed to me signals either a passionate dream about a woman or a wet dream which at any age over 12 could be considered the same thing. The Eiffel Tower is a pretty famous phallic symbol and the kiss of death on it leads me to... well you get the picture. Out of sight but not out of mind- so you're up at midnight thinking about this girl, but she's not there. Now what does it mean to have a dream and fall for someone? It could be literal but based upon a few of the other lines I'm going to say, he woke up thinking about a woman and masturbated. That would keep with the living in denial part because he's essentially imagining making love to this girl. The paper planes line throws me a bit because I think it primarily refers to joints, which I don't think would really keep with the story unless it's just him trying to calm himself. However, the other possibility I see is as tissues, used for masturbation becoming sort of balled up and plane like. So he's crashed into her. He's masturbated thinking of her and now he's wondering if she's doing the same. Like I said, it's open to interpretation but that's what it felt like right away to me. its definitely open but thats pushing it a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 its definitely open but thats pushing it a bit So are you taking it as strictly straightforward then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 There are way too many gimmicky songs that are just attempting to recapture old glory. Stay the Night, Fell for You, Loss of Control, Angel Blue, Fuck Time, and Makeout Party just off the top of my head. On top of that the music isn't even interesting because Uno has been done before by the same band who wrote it. A lot of people don't want to hear the same kind of song over and over again, maybe you do, but one way or another it's a regression, and trying to recapture old glory through regression is always bad. It's why the new lyrics feel so disingenuous. 'Easy cum and go/gonna go it alone/Knock yourself out with a shot of Patron/I wouldn't say I'm straight cause I'm bent out of shape/But now 'til death do we party just before it's too late.' These are a huge, huge, huge step down from what we got even on Dookie, never mind some of the more recent albums. These lyrics would be out of place on any Green Day album, but they feel especially out of place because they follow 21st Century Breakdown. I don't specially like ¡Uno!. I only say it's just an 'ok' album for me. The albums I do defend are ¡Dos! and ¡Tré!. ¡Tré! has some really good lyrics, and ¡Dos! has a really amazing sound. I don't think ¡Dos! is the same sound over and over again, however 21st Century Breakdown kinda was but no one critisizes it for that because it was successful. That the lyrics wouldn't have fitted in any Green Day album doesn't mean they are bad, because we could have said the same of American Idiot. I do think the lyrics in ¡Uno! and ¡Dos! aren't that good, but the ones in ¡Tré! are good, no doubt here. Also I don't see what old song sounds like any of the songs you said 'are trying to recapture old glory'. Plus Stay The Night and Makeout Party are pretty good songs imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 So are you taking it as strictly straightforward then? not entirely...you have your opinion and i have mine im sure we'll always disagree on it no biggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 not entirely...you have your opinion and i have mine im sure we'll always disagree on it no biggie Well what is your interpretation because I'm open to being swayed. What I posted above was what I was able to get out of the song, but someone could definitely show me a new way of looking at it. You don't have to if you don't want to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 One: I don't see anything like Warning, Fashion Victim, Castaway, Deadbeat Holiday, Jackass, or Waiting on Uno............. ............. But just having songs that aren't bad is not going to satisfy a lot of people. Loved reading this, great post. Sums up exactly what I always thought was off with the lyrics on some of the trilogy songs. Let Yourself Go in particular. Like it's supposed to be an "angry" song, but I'm not really feeling it, and this post brilliantly describes why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Well what is your interpretation because I'm open to being swayed. What I posted above was what I was able to get out of the song, but someone could definitely show me a new way of looking at it. You don't have to if you don't want to though. I feel like it would just turn into an argument instead of a discussion and I also feel like it would probably be my fault haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 You're allowed to have a different interpretation. Waking up in a pool or sweat and thinking you pissed the bed to me signals either a passionate dream about a woman or a wet dream which at any age over 12 could be considered the same thing. The Eiffel Tower is a pretty famous phallic symbol and the kiss of death on it leads me to... well you get the picture. Out of sight but not out of mind- so you're up at midnight thinking about this girl, but she's not there. Now what does it mean to have a dream and fall for someone? It could be literal but based upon a few of the other lines I'm going to say, he woke up thinking about a woman and masturbated. That would keep with the living in denial part because he's essentially imagining making love to this girl. The paper planes line throws me a bit because I think it primarily refers to joints, which I don't think would really keep with the story unless it's just him trying to calm himself. However, the other possibility I see is as tissues, used for masturbation becoming sort of balled up and plane like. So he's crashed into her. He's masturbated thinking of her and now he's wondering if she's doing the same. Like I said, it's open to interpretation but that's what it felt like right away to me. It just boggles my mind that you have such a...different...interpretation of Fell For You. It's a very straightforward song, but then you have very literal and face valued interpretations of songs like Let Yourself Go, Stay The Night, Carpe Diem, Oh Love, and Loss of Control, to the point where you are making judgments about Billie Joe that are totally out of left field (for instance, relating Let Yourself Go to "shut up and fuck me" when the song doesn't even so much as imply this). Honestly, it seems as if your opinions are completely skewed by your negative perceptions of Billie Joe after the iHeartRadio incident. Granted, I don't really feel like defending Fell For You or Loss of Control, as I think they are the weakest songs of Uno as well as the entire Trilogy. I also think you missed the point of lines like "You're a princess, I'm a fucking clown." Those aren't about "omg im so fat ur so skinny" it's about feeling intimidated by someone when you are infatuated with them. It's about not having the nerve to face them, ask them out, tell them how you feel, and how that affects a person's self esteem. Really, the only songs that is not "vulnerable" on Uno is Troublemaker, at least in my interpretation. The case could be made for Angel Blue, but to me it seems to be about teenage love written mostly from a 3rd person perspective. And for the record, on a scale of "Great song" to "not bad" to "bad", here are my ratings for each individual song. Nuclear Family - Great Stay The Night - Great Carpe Diem - Good Let Yourself Go - Great Kill The DJ - Great Fell For You - not bad Loss of Control - not bad Troublemaker - Good (Didn't like this one at first, but it has grown on me immensly) Angel Blue - Good Sweet 16 - Great Rusty James - Great Oh Love - Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 It just boggles my mind that you have such a...different...interpretation of Fell For You. It's a very straightforward song, but then you have very literal and face valued interpretations of songs like Let Yourself Go, Stay The Night, Carpe Diem, Oh Love, and Loss of Control, to the point where you are making judgments about Billie Joe that are totally out of left field (for instance, relating Let Yourself Go to "shut up and fuck me" when the song doesn't even so much as imply this). Honestly, it seems as if your opinions are completely skewed by your negative perceptions of Billie Joe after the iHeartRadio incident. Granted, I don't really feel like defending Fell For You or Loss of Control, as I think they are the weakest songs of Uno as well as the entire Trilogy. I also think you missed the point of lines like "You're a princess, I'm a fucking clown." Those aren't about "omg im so fat ur so skinny" it's about feeling intimidated by someone when you are infatuated with them. It's about not having the nerve to face them, ask them out, tell them how you feel, and how that affects a person's self esteem. Really, the only songs that is not "vulnerable" on Uno is Troublemaker, at least in my interpretation. The case could be made for Angel Blue, but to me it seems to be about teenage love written mostly from a 3rd person perspective. Okay so we have these repeated lines of always fuck fuckin with my head now, always fuck fuckin with my head now, then the song talks about letting yourself go. Now as I believe Billie himself said, that could refer to someone who you haven't seen in a while who has become fat or out of shape, but in the context of the song it makes more sense that there is some uptight person talking to our narrator who is annoying, but the narrator is attracted to them, hence fucking with my head. So what does this let yourself go part mean? What is the intended outcome of letting yourself go? You could say it's just to party, but I feel that's not it. By the way, I tend to use Billie and the narrator interchanably. I am making certain assumpitions based on Billie saying his songs are autobiographical and then seeing him publicly struggle with an addiction. He's written about his demons before and I think this addictiion was probably preying on his mind prior to just one night. I don't remember stating a specific interpretation of oh love, just saying that I disliked the video and the band stated it was supposed to be a look at backstage. As far as lyrically, I don't like it because it basically seems to come from the perspective of, I'm all for free love and I just wanna run away with a girl, 'My heart is on the loose.' The bridge is really the only part of the song that hits at home. "Talk myself out of feeling/Talk my way out of control/Talk myself out of falling in love/Falling in love with you." I think we've all probably felt an attraction to someone who we know we shouldn't for whatever reason. In this case, it seems to be because of infidelity, but these lyrics are written in such a way that the lines become universally applicable. If someone could point me to a more underlying meaning for loss of control, I'd like to hear it. Basicallly it just seems to come back to my initial interpretation for me. I think the most vulnerable and sort of only vulnerable lyrics on Uno are on Sweet 16 and the bridge of Oh Love. Carpe Diem a battle cry! Aren't we all too young to die? Ask for reason and no reply! Aren't we all too young to die? That seems pretty straightforward to me. I don't think it really tries to twist too many meanings. I get it for what it is, but the message is delivered in such a cliche fashion that I just can't listen to it without cringing. And as far as not having the courage to face someone. Yes, you're right, and that's exactly why lines like that are used. You're afraid so you just fish for compliments. I've done it myself. You're so much better than me, I don't deserve you. That's not deep or vulnerable, that's a gimmick used to garner sympathy and it's especially ineffective coming from a man married for nearly twenty years who is worth 65 million dollars and one of the biggest rock stars in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 who is worth 65 million dollars and one of the biggest rock stars in the world. not much of a difference but 55 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 not much of a difference but 55 million Only 55? Well this is outrageous!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Only 55? Well this is outrageous!!!! well the other 10 goes to Emily's army unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Okay so we have these repeated lines of always fuck fuckin with my head now, always fuck fuckin with my head now, then the song talks about letting yourself go. Now as I believe Billie himself said, that could refer to someone who you haven't seen in a while who has become fat or out of shape, but in the context of the song it makes more sense that there is some uptight person talking to our narrator who is annoying, but the narrator is attracted to them, hence fucking with my head. So what does this let yourself go part mean? What is the intended outcome of letting yourself go? You could say it's just to party, but I feel that's not it. By the way, I tend to use Billie and the narrator interchanably. I am making certain assumpitions based on Billie saying his songs are autobiographical and then seeing him publicly struggle with an addiction. He's written about his demons before and I think this addictiion was probably preying on his mind prior to just one night. I don't remember stating a specific interpretation of oh love, just saying that I disliked the video and the band stated it was supposed to be a look at backstage. As far as lyrically, I don't like it because it basically seems to come from the perspective of, I'm all for free love and I just wanna run away with a girl, 'My heart is on the loose.' The bridge is really the only part of the song that hits at home. "Talk myself out of feeling/Talk my way out of control/Talk myself out of falling in love/Falling in love with you." I think we've all probably felt an attraction to someone who we know we shouldn't for whatever reason. In this case, it seems to be because of infidelity, but these lyrics are written in such a way that the lines become universally applicable. If someone could point me to a more underlying meaning for loss of control, I'd like to hear it. Basicallly it just seems to come back to my initial interpretation for me. I think the most vulnerable and sort of only vulnerable lyrics on Uno are on Sweet 16 and the bridge of Oh Love. Carpe Diem a battle cry! Aren't we all too young to die? Ask for reason and no reply! Aren't we all too young to die? That seems pretty straightforward to me. I don't think it really tries to twist too many meanings. I get it for what it is, but the message is delivered in such a cliche fashion that I just can't listen to it without cringing. And as far as not having the courage to face someone. Yes, you're right, and that's exactly why lines like that are used. You're afraid so you just fish for compliments. I've done it myself. You're so much better than me, I don't deserve you. That's not deep or vulnerable, that's a gimmick used to garner sympathy and it's especially ineffective coming from a man married for nearly twenty years who is worth 65 million dollars and one of the biggest rock stars in the world. On that last point, if we dismiss that phrase because BJ is rich and famous and married and all that then we have to dismiss every song since Dookie that is about Amanda or another "imaginary girlfriend". In fact, we have to dismiss absolutely everything he's written since Dookie hit, because a rich man can't struggle right? Listen to the 1000 Hours EP, he's echoing what he previously felt in his youth. For all we know he could be referring to his wife, the infatuation he feels for her when he's away on tour or when he was in New York. He's said it many times before, he still feels like a young kid who just fell in love whenever he's with her. We get a dose of this on Missing You, its very sincere. On Oh Love, it sounds like the character or narrator, whether it be Billie Joe or not, is trying to allow themselves to open up to love. It brings up the struggle of "Rage & Love" found on American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, the idea of getting past your demons and finally allowing yourself to get out there and accept a relationship or find someone. On Carpe Diem, I hear a narrator struggling with their mortality. "Is your silhouette fading out?" It's not really "Carpe Diem a battle cry!" as in chant to live today like it's your last, to me. especially with the following line "Aren't we all too young to die?" Why do we have to live like its our last day, why can't we enjoy life forever. And at the same time, it's reflective, at that's where the cliche comes in (although Billie Joe sings this tongue in cheek: "living a cliche gonna seize the day". That's how I see it. Let Yourself Go can be seen a couple ways, at least in my opinion. On one hand, we can see it as the narrator dealing with someone that is annoying because this person is always complaining about the small things in their lives, almost as if they don't appreciate what they have. Therefore, they need to let themselves go, get over yourself and try to enjoy life. It could also be a about the narrator struggling with someone who always tries to control or influence them. On the other hand, I also see it as a person struggling with their inner demons; this person is always second guessing themselves, they always fall to the voices in their head and they let that hold them back. In that sense they are telling themselves to let it go and ignore the second guesses, and this is where the line "You're always fuck, fucking with my head and I gotta let it go" comes in. I will admit, Loss of Control is completely random. It's clear that its about shedding the negative people in your life, up until the chorus. I think Billie had a line that he just wanted to use and it fit. Many writers, from John Lennon to Kurt Cobain to Elton John have been known to do that though, I know I've done several times in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 On that last point, if we dismiss that phrase because BJ is rich and famous and married and all that then we have to dismiss every song since Dookie that is about Amanda or another "imaginary girlfriend". In fact, we have to dismiss absolutely everything he's written since Dookie hit, because a rich man can't struggle right? Listen to the 1000 Hours EP, he's echoing what he previously felt in his youth. For all we know he could be referring to his wife, the infatuation he feels for her when he's away on tour or when he was in New York. He's said it many times before, he still feels like a young kid who just fell in love whenever he's with her. We get a dose of this on Missing You, its very sincere. On Oh Love, it sounds like the character or narrator, whether it be Billie Joe or not, is trying to allow themselves to open up to love. It brings up the struggle of "Rage & Love" found on American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, the idea of getting past your demons and finally allowing yourself to get out there and accept a relationship or find someone. On Carpe Diem, I hear a narrator struggling with their mortality. "Is your silhouette fading out?" It's not really "Carpe Diem a battle cry!" as in chant to live today like it's your last, to me. especially with the following line "Aren't we all too young to die?" Why do we have to live like its our last day, why can't we enjoy life forever. And at the same time, it's reflective, at that's where the cliche comes in (although Billie Joe sings this tongue in cheek: "living a cliche gonna seize the day". That's how I see it. Let Yourself Go can be seen a couple ways, at least in my opinion. On one hand, we can see it as the narrator dealing with someone that is annoying because this person is always complaining about the small things in their lives, almost as if they don't appreciate what they have. Therefore, they need to let themselves go, get over yourself and try to enjoy life. It could also be a about the narrator struggling with someone who always tries to control or influence them. On the other hand, I also see it as a person struggling with their inner demons; this person is always second guessing themselves, they always fall to the voices in their head and they let that hold them back. In that sense they are telling themselves to let it go and ignore the second guesses, and this is where the line "You're always fuck, fucking with my head and I gotta let it go" comes in. I will admit, Loss of Control is completely random. It's clear that its about shedding the negative people in your life, up until the chorus. I think Billie had a line that he just wanted to use and it fit. Many writers, from John Lennon to Kurt Cobain to Elton John have been known to do that though, I know I've done several times in the past. I didn't dismiss it because he was rich and famousl. I dismissed it because it's just a way to earn sympathy, not a genuine way of communicating emotion. I then said it's even less believable coming from someone with so much going for them. As if he doesn't know the reply is going to be complimentary towards him. As far as Oh Love goes, that song is not about true love. It's about something seamy, you can sense it in the lyrics but even more through the help of the music video. That's why I don't buy into the whole opening up to love thing. It might be about opening up to love, but not committed love or a long term relationship. It's more about opening up to something sleazy, it even leads into Fuck Time on Dos! Carpe Diem! I don't see being about living forever so much as living each day like you will live forever. For instance, if I recognize my own mortality, why bother learning to play an instrument? I'll just be dead eventually. The song seems to just fit in with the cliche. Live like you'll die today, learn like you'll live forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I didn't dismiss it because he was rich and famousl. I dismissed it because it's just a way to earn sympathy, not a genuine way of communicating emotion. I then said it's even less believable coming from someone with so much going for them. As if he doesn't know the reply is going to be complimentary towards him. As far as Oh Love goes, that song is not about true love. It's about something seamy, you can sense it in the lyrics but even more through the help of the music video. That's why I don't buy into the whole opening up to love thing. It might be about opening up to love, but not committed love or a long term relationship. It's more about opening up to something sleazy, it even leads into Fuck Time on Dos! Carpe Diem! I don't see being about living forever so much as living each day like you will live forever. For instance, if I recognize my own mortality, why bother learning to play an instrument? I'll just be dead eventually. The song seems to just fit in with the cliche. Live like you'll die today, learn like you'll live forever. Well Carpe Diem isn't written, or being sung, in a nihilistic sort of way. That's what I enjoy about the undertones of this trilogy, there are mature themes that are not completely negative but instead positive and reflective, written by someone who has learned (and is still learning) from their mistakes. The music video of Oh Love is supposed to show the band being laid back and blah blah blah. That means nothing to the song itself. And it doesn't seem like he's trying to earn sympathy, you really have to be coming from a negative state of mind to see it that way. Honestly, it just seems to me like you wrote off this album before you even heard it, whether it be based solely on negative perceptions of the band or lingering nostalgia. I for one came into this album not knowing what to expect (I'll even admit, very very skeptical) and found myself pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyrdrum Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7nDndRAv68&list=UU-5q0Q8I5BZP_nT9ipTKkhw&index=1 Hey guys check out this cover of Stay the Night please! I am on drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBaboon Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Well Carpe Diem isn't written, or being sung, in a nihilistic sort of way. That's what I enjoy about the undertones of this trilogy, there are mature themes that are not completely negative but instead positive and reflective, written by someone who has learned (and is still learning) from their mistakes. The music video of Oh Love is supposed to show the band being laid back and blah blah blah. That means nothing to the song itself. And it doesn't seem like he's trying to earn sympathy, you really have to be coming from a negative state of mind to see it that way. Honestly, it just seems to me like you wrote off this album before you even heard it, whether it be based solely on negative perceptions of the band or lingering nostalgia. I for one came into this album not knowing what to expect (I'll even admit, very very skeptical) and found myself pleasantly surprised. Well Carpe Diem isn't written, or being sung, in a nihilistic sort of way. That's what I enjoy about the undertones of this trilogy, there are mature themes that are not completely negative but instead positive and reflective, written by someone who has learned (and is still learning) from their mistakes. The music video of Oh Love is supposed to show the band being laid back and blah blah blah. That means nothing to the song itself. And it doesn't seem like he's trying to earn sympathy, you really have to be coming from a negative state of mind to see it that way. Honestly, it just seems to me like you wrote off this album before you even heard it, whether it be based solely on negative perceptions of the band or lingering nostalgia. I for one came into this album not knowing what to expect (I'll even admit, very very skeptical) and found myself pleasantly surprised. I'm a little skeptical about this whole mature theme you're talking about. If I had to guess purely based on lyrics what age the author of these songs was, I would probably settle between 18-25. I don't think there's much maturity to be had on Uno! Nuclear Family? That one carries a mature theme. Stay the night? No. Carpe Diem? Eh, could go either way but it's definitely not immature. Let Yourself Go? No. Kill the DJ? No. Fell For You? No. Loss of control? No. Troublemaker? No. Angel Blue? No. Sweet 16? I'd say yes. Rusty James? I'd also say yes. Oh Love? No. From a band whose last three records were basically inundated with mature material, this is a step in the wrong direction. This is like nine Blood, Sex, and Booze's only they aren't as funny and the joke wears very, very thin. In regards to your last paragraph, I have no idea where you're coming from. I gave Uno a 4/10, a pretty low rating, though I feel I've definitely justified it. I gave Dos a 6/10 which is right about the average where critics put it as well. I gave Tre a 9/10. I usually wouldn't even take a nine or ten review seriously unless it was amongst the majority, but that's how I felt after listening to it. So I'm not sure where this idea that I want to hate the trilogy is coming from. I think based upon my reviews most people would conclude that I don't hate the trilogy. I think it has twelve to sixteen legitimately good songs with some standouts included. I don't know why I would want to hate 37 songs from one of the only modern bands I find myself listening to. Also, I don't want to seem condescending because we're the same age, but please, please, please don't ever tell a girl she's too good for you. In most cases, she'll find out you're right and move on. Even best case scenario is you come across as needy because by making a claim like that you're asking to be built up. I don't know what else to say about it. Think if Brad Pitt walked into a store and stared in a mirror and frowned. "Oh I'm so ugly," He laments. A horde gathers around him to tell him how good looking he is. He wasn't sharing a genuine emotion. That was a blanket generalization he made about himself to induce compliments. That's the same way telling someone you're not good enough for them works and that's why it's a disingenuous line. It's redundant, without passion, and worst of all, it's just a dishonest thing to do. Maybe you do feel like you aren't good enough, but you're not expressing that by phrasing the statement that way, you're just looking to be built up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Also, I don't want to seem condescending because we're the same age, but please, please, please don't ever tell a girl she's too good for you. In most cases, she'll find out you're right and move on. Even best case scenario is you come across as needy because by making a claim like that you're asking to be built up. I don't know what else to say about it. Think if Brad Pitt walked into a store and stared in a mirror and frowned. "Oh I'm so ugly," He laments. A horde gathers around him to tell him how good looking he is. He wasn't sharing a genuine emotion. That was a blanket generalization he made about himself to induce compliments. That's the same way telling someone you're not good enough for them works and that's why it's a disingenuous line. It's redundant, without passion, and worst of all, it's just a dishonest thing to do. Maybe you do feel like you aren't good enough, but you're not expressing that by phrasing the statement that way, you're just looking to be built up. I don't understand why I need this advice, but okay. And all I can really say is I disagree, because sometimes a person truly feels intimidated by someone and is just expressing how they feel, some people aren't conniving to the point where they put themselves down just to get attention. Again, I realize some people do this, but it's not black and white, it goes both ways. And my view of your apparent analysis is simply based on some of your analysis and how it's worded, but I realize that over the Internet a certain aspect of communication is lost. So yeah, decent discussion I guess, I very much agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 You're allowed to have a different interpretation. Waking up in a pool or sweat and thinking you pissed the bed to me signals either a passionate dream about a woman or a wet dream which at any age over 12 could be considered the same thing. The Eiffel Tower is a pretty famous phallic symbol and the kiss of death on it leads me to... well you get the picture. Out of sight but not out of mind- so you're up at midnight thinking about this girl, but she's not there. Now what does it mean to have a dream and fall for someone? It could be literal but based upon a few of the other lines I'm going to say, he woke up thinking about a woman and masturbated. That would keep with the living in denial part because he's essentially imagining making love to this girl. The paper planes line throws me a bit because I think it primarily refers to joints, which I don't think would really keep with the story unless it's just him trying to calm himself. However, the other possibility I see is as tissues, used for masturbation becoming sort of balled up and plane like. So he's crashed into her. He's masturbated thinking of her and now he's wondering if she's doing the same. Like I said, it's open to interpretation but that's what it felt like right away to me. Mind = blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Uno hasn't been in my stereo since November 12, and Dos hasn't been in my stereo since 21st December...Oh dear :L Uno is by far the worst out of the three, but it's a good record to play if you're looking for some fun, easy listening songs. I still enjoy it, but it's kind of been put away to gather dust :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Uno hasn't been in my stereo since November 12, and Dos hasn't been in my stereo since 21st December...Oh dear :L Uno is by far the worst out of the three, but it's a good record to play if you're looking for some fun, easy listening songs. I still enjoy it, but it's kind of been put away to gather dust :/ Maybe it's just that you're caught up listening to Tre right now? You seem to have put away each album as soon as the next came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Maybe it's just that you're caught up listening to Tre right now? You seem to have put away each album as soon as the next came out. Can I get one thing straight? I respect your opinion and all replies to my comments, but you gotta know that I like almost every song from this trilogy Isn't it natural at the moment? Y'know? to just listen to the one that's the newest. Maybe I need to start embracing the shuffle feature on my phone/MP3 haha xD Please, no hate or disrespect towards you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cob Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Can I get one thing straight? I respect your opinion and all replies to my comments, but you gotta know that I like almost every song from this trilogy Isn't it natural at the moment? Y'know? to just listen to the one that's the newest. Maybe I need to start embracing the shuffle feature on my phone/MP3 haha xD Please, no hate or disrespect towards you I definitely agree, shuffle the albums in a playlist! It really allows the individual songs to stand on their own to be taken in. Sorry if my replies came off as a bit hostile, I was merely suggesting and it seems they could be interpreted as dickish now that I'm reading them back again. And I'm on the same boat with you, I think the Trilogy is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus2000 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I definitely agree, shuffle the albums in a playlist! It really allows the individual songs to stand on their own to be taken in. Sorry if my replies came off as a bit hostile, I was merely suggesting and it seems they could be interpreted as dickish now that I'm reading them back again. And I'm on the same boat with you, I think the Trilogy is great. Maybe I'll learn to appreciate "Walk Away", "The Forgotten" and "See You Tonight" in a shuffled up playlist And yeah, I just wanted you to know that I wasn't trying to make enemies with you, some of your opinions I greatly appreciate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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