Uno! to have "clean" version

[Ryan]

Yeah, but the label can't just make the decisions without a permission of the band, that's why people are getting upset over this.

That's not necessarily correct. In most label contracts, the label even owns the right to the music for like 20+ years. Unfortunately, there's no way around it sometimes. Obviously, without knowing the details of the contract for this album trilogy, none of us can say for sure. But based on my schooling in the music industry and my participation in it, I think that I am pretty on-point with what I'm saying. That being said, you could be 100% right and I could be completely wrong...so who knows.

[Femme Gauche]

How could it be explicit then? It's copulation time?

Doesn't really matter what word they put in there; have you heard the rest of the song?

[Sanity Loan]

The people who are fine with the clean versions are the only civil people in this thread. Those of you who are against it, calling Green Day sellouts are being wayyy over dramatic. Calm it down. It really does not matter at the end of the day.

If you don't like the idea of a clean version, then just buy the explicit version. Maybe some people prefer the clean version... Ever thought of that?

I agree with everything you're saying, except for the respect for Wal-Mart part. I get the reasons for conceding to have their record there, but I don't really have respect for Wal-Mart. But... that's an entirely different discussion.

Ok, let me rephrase myself... Have respect for Walmart when it comes to their stance on explicit music.

Yes, I agree the respect for Walmart as a whole is another animal.

[tabbycat1596]

How could it be explicit then? It's copulation time?

It's coitus time?

Honestly I could care less about an clean version as long as I can get an explicit one. As far as the clean version being more kid-friendly, it could very well get younger kids into Green Day. Of course if they get interested in the other songs and albums, they're obviously going to find out that there are curse words present in other songs.

[Gwen Stacy]

It's not the releasing of clean versions of the album that bothers me. It makes business sense and is a good idea for radio play and mass popularity, ect.

This is what bothers me:

The fact that they went out of their way last time to say very loudly to Walmart "Fuck you!" and then this go around give them the clean version to sell. It stinks of the hypocrisy they always rail against. It's not a label decision because it was the band's decision last time not to sell to Wal-Mart and the label complied. Do I think this makes them "sell-outs"? No, but it definitely is a complete 180 from just a few years ago.

[Amydc]

That's true, but that's like saying that my boss can't make decisions for me without my permission. Technically they can't, but if I don't do what I'm asked, I'll lose my job, or at least some of my privileges.

But they didn't give their permission in all the previously albums and it never stopped them to make music. But then again, I UNDERSTAND why they're doing this.

[Sanity Loan]

It's not the releasing of clean versions of the album that bothers me. It makes business sense and is a good idea for radio play and mass popularity, ect.

This is what bothers me:

The fact that they went out of their way last time to say very loudly to Walmart "Fuck you!" and then this go around give them the clean version to sell. It stinks of the hypocrisy they always rail against. It's not a label decision because it was the band's decision last time not to sell to Wal-Mart and the label complied. Do I think this makes them "sell-outs"? No, but it definitely is a complete 180 from just a few years ago.

That photo was fan-made, just so we're clear. Not something Warner put out because that would just be terrible PR and NONE of Warner's music would sell at Walmart.

[Femme Gauche]

But they didn't give their permission in all the previously albums and it never stopped them to make music. But then again, I UNDERSTAND why they're doing this.

We don't know the conditions that were given, nor how they may be different from the situation with previous records.

Would anyone else laugh if the band themselves proposed this just to fuck with people by trying to sell a record "about sex"* to kids?

*and other things.

OK, not TO kids... you know what I mean.

[Amydc]

That's not necessarily correct. In most label contracts, the label even owns the right to the music for like 20+ years. Unfortunately, there's no way around it sometimes. Obviously, without knowing the details of the contract for this album trilogy, none of us can say for sure. But based on my schooling in the music industry and my participation in it, I think that I am pretty on-point with what I'm saying. That being said, you could be 100% right and I could be completely wrong...so who knows.

They're in the musical industry for a very long time, enough time to know quite well their terms, they wouldn't be stupid enough to not read their contract. C'mon. They don't want the trilogy to be a flop such as 21st CB, they're doing it because they want to, and there's nothing wrong with that, let's just stop trying to make up an excuse to every decisions they make.

[Ryan]

It's not a label decision because it was the band's decision last time not to sell to Wal-Mart and the label complied.

You don't know that it wasn't a label decision this time around though. With the band wanting to release a trilogy over the span of four months, the label most likely put some very big stipulations in the contract. So in the end, it was probably a decision between "release three albums" or "make a few concessions." With the excitement we have been hearing from the band about these albums, I'm VERY happy that they decided to go with the trilogy decision.

They're in the musical industry for a very long time, enough time to know quite well their terms, they wouldn't be stupid enough to not read their contract. C'mon. They don't want the trilogy to be a flop such as 21st CB, they're doing it because they want to, and there's nothing wrong with that, let's just stop trying to make up an excuse to every decisions they take.

I'm not saying that I don't think they had the final say. But I strongly believe that if they said "No Wal-Mart" that we would not have a trilogy of albums.

[Gwen Stacy]

That photo was fan-made, just so we're clear. Not something Warner put out because that would just be terrible PR and NONE of Warner's music would sell at Walmart.

Of course, but that is Tre Cool holding it and endorsing the message. Also, when they were on The Colbert Report, they said they wouldn't sell it sat Walmart because the band refused to take the swear words out. So in 2009 it wasn't okay, but now it's all good?

I'm sure it's some sales thing that is Illuminatti controlled or whatever, but it just bothers me on a philosophical level that they would do that

[WhiteTim]

Yeah, but the label can't just make the decisions without a permission of the band, that's why people are getting upset over this.

Actually they can if the label wants a clean album and the band doesnt and the label owns the recordings (which is Warner who owns the recordings of GD) they can legally release an edited copy even against GD wish so far they are in great hands with Warner if they were with Universal then 21st woulda been edited with a quickness

[melissawebster]

I can make a counter argument against every one of yours.

1) Just because they've done it since the beginning of their career, it doesn't mean they can't ever do it. I understand the censoring part, I really do. But, as someone mentioned in this thread, maybe part of the deal to do three records was that Warner wanted clean versions and Green Day allowed it.

2) Why can't kids listen to their music? Green Day isn't writing music for a specific age group, they're writing it for themselves and don't really care what age group listens. And YES they have had to censor their music to play it on TV and radio. The FCC requires it. Hard to believe you haven't noticed it censored before... All the American Idiot singles (except September) were censored. So was Nimrod, Insomniac, and Dookie.

3) Why fuck the radio? What is your beef with them? Just because you may not like the music played on radio doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Radio is a fantastic medium. Many artists KILL to have their song played on radio to the masses. Besides the internet, it's the place where people go to discover new music.

4) Again, why fuck Walmart? Just like any company, corporation, etc, they have their product requirements and one of them happens to be non-explicit music. And if the manufacturer (in this case Warner) doesn't want to provide them with something clean, then it isn't being sold there. Simple as that. It's not like Walmart HAS to sell Green Day's music. Green Day might not give in to Walmart, but Walmart isn't giving in to Green Day. Gotta look at both sides of it here and not just back Green Day because they're your pride and joy. Have some respect for Walmart's stance on explicit music.

The premise is basically the same as your stance against clean music. Boils down to the same idea. Don't be a hypocrite.

5) The "clean, safe approach" will certainly affect sales. You can mark my words. Who cares if the Walmart entertainment center sucks? What does that have to do with this? Also, I agree most people aren't going to rush to Walmart to buy the new albums - but what if that's the only place one can buy a physical album? Then they certainly will be rushing there. Also, I think Walmart music section is more of a "Oh, that's right, these guys came out with a new album. I like that song they have on the radio. I might as well pick this up" kind of a music department. And that's fine. A good majority of not just Green Day's, but a lot of artist's album sales come from those kinds of sales.

6) How do we all suffer from the clean version? If you don't like the idea of it, then don't listen to it/buy it. It's that simple.

1) I agree with you on this one. They most likely had to capitulate to this strategy to do all three albums. I don't like it and I don't agree with it, but I get why they had to do it.

2) I do understand FCC regulations. I didn't say they weren't censored for radio. Of course they were. I said Green Day wasn't the one to censor it for radio. Radio did that themselves in order to play it. Green Day's music stayed the same. They didn't market it as censored music in the past. They are currently specifically marketing it as censored music. There's a difference.

3) Again, see #2. That's the point I was making about radio.

4) I said Fuck. Walmart. as in censoring their music to accommodate the Walmart Gods. They haven't needed to do that in the past and they shouldn't have done it this time. It has nothing to do with Walmart's requirement. It's about Green Day giving in to Walmart. Walmart's requirement is irrelevant, therefore, their perspective is irrelevant.

5) We'll have to wait and let time decide if Walmart was worth it financially. I anticipate that it won't be.

6) We all suffer because Green Day has taken a new direction with the way they present their music and their attitude towards it. Everyone suffers when censorship becomes okay and people just passively accept it. It's a big price to pay for a few additional sales.

[Sanity Loan]

Of course, but that is Tre Cool holding it and endorsing the message. Also, when they were on The Colbert Report, they said they wouldn't sell it sat Walmart because the band refused to take the swear words out. So in 2009 it wasn't okay, but now it's all good?

I'm sure it's some sales thing that is Illuminatti controlled or whatever, but it just bothers me on a philosophical level that they would do that

I see your point for sure. And I agree with some of it.

But the other thing we have to consider with the trilogy, ¡Uno! specifically, is the frequency and tenacity of the profanity. It's more than any other album. A lot of fuck's, to name one. I think the band has been able to get away with the profanity in the past due to how limited it was.

For example: On 21CB, there really wasn't that much. American Idiot had a little, yes, and did all the previous albums. But not nearly the amount that will be on ¡Uno! This could certainly be a reason why we will see a clean version.

[crazyeyes]

Of course, but that is Tre Cool holding it and endorsing the message. Also, when they were on The Colbert Report, they said they wouldn't sell it sat Walmart because the band refused to take the swear words out. So in 2009 it wasn't okay, but now it's all good?

I'm sure it's some sales thing that is Illuminatti controlled or whatever, but it just bothers me on a philosophical level that they would do that

agreed.

The people who are fine with the clean versions are the only civil people in this thread. Those of you who are against it, calling Green Day sellouts are being wayyy over dramatic. Calm it down. It really does not matter at the end of the day.

I'm not calling Green Day sell outs. I'm not about to abandon my favorite music. I'm not ripping my hair out over this. I just happen to disagree with this one choice the band made. Am I not allowed to disagree? If I don't agree with everything the band does, then I'm not civil?

[WhiteTim]

1) I agree with you on this one. They most likely had to capitulate to this strategy to do all three albums. I don't like it and I don't agree with it, but I get why they had to do it.

2) I do understand FCC regulations. I didn't say they weren't censored for radio. Of course they were. I said Green Day wasn't the one to censor it for radio. Radio did that themselves in order to play it. Green Day's music stayed the same. They didn't market it as censored music in the past. They are currently specifically marketing it as censored music. There's a difference.

3) Again, see #2. That's the point I was making about radio.

4) I said Fuck. Walmart. as in censoring their music to accommodate the Walmart Gods. They haven't needed to do that in the past and they shouldn't have done it this time. It has nothing to do with Walmart's requirement. It's about Green Day giving in to Walmart. Walmart's requirement is irrelevant, therefore, their perspective is irrelevant.

5) We'll have to wait and let time decide if Walmart was worth it financially. I anticipate that it won't be.

6) We all suffer because Green Day has taken a new direction with the way they present their music and their attitude towards it. Everyone suffers when censorship becomes okay and people just passively accept it. It's a big price to pay for a few additional sales.

You're not suffering tho it's your choice to buy edited or unedited noone making you to buy edited you're making wayyy to much issue out of nothing

[melissawebster]

It's not the releasing of clean versions of the album that bothers me. It makes business sense and is a good idea for radio play and mass popularity, ect.

This is what bothers me:

The fact that they went out of their way last time to say very loudly to Walmart "Fuck you!" and then this go around give them the clean version to sell. It stinks of the hypocrisy they always rail against. It's not a label decision because it was the band's decision last time not to sell to Wal-Mart and the label complied. Do I think this makes them "sell-outs"? No, but it definitely is a complete 180 from just a few years ago.

This. It's this exactly.

[Ryan]

Actually they can if the label wants a clean album and the band doesnt and the label owns the recordings (which is Warner who owns the recordings of GD) they can legally release an edited copy even against GD wish so far they are in great hands with Warner if they were with Universal then 21st woulda been edited with a quickness

THIS^^

Warner can put an edited version of 21st CB tomorrow if they wanted to...WITHOUT THE BAND'S PERMISSION! Once an album is recorded, the band no longer has a say because the label OWNS the recordings. This is exactly what I mentioned in one of my previous posts.

[melissawebster]

That photo was fan-made, just so we're clear. Not something Warner put out because that would just be terrible PR and NONE of Warner's music would sell at Walmart.

It's a photo by Bob Gruen. Are you saying it's photo-shopped and Tre Cool didn't pose for it? And the band didn't take this stance last time?

[Sanity Loan]

I'm not calling Green Day sell outs. I'm not about to abandon my favorite music. I'm not ripping my hair out over this. I just happen to disagree with this one choice the band made. Am I not allowed to disagree? If I don't agree with everything the band does, then I'm not civil?

Hey, hey, now I'm definitely not saying you can't disagree with their decision to do this. That's a good thing, actually. Makes you think and makes you stay on your toes. If you agree with everything they do, then there is something wrong, actually

And the civil comment was probably a little harsh. It was just an observation. A lot of people are being pretty belligerent about it. Which, I guess comes from passion and I can't fault them for it at all. Kudos to them, really.

It's a photo by Bob Gruen. Are you saying it's photo-shopped and Tre Cool didn't pose for it? And the band didn't take this stance last time?

I know Bob took it. The "Walmart is the Enemy" flyer is fan-made.

[WhiteTim]

It's a photo by Bob Gruen. Are you saying it's photo-shopped and Tre Cool didn't pose for it? And the band didn't take this stance last time?

The writing could easily be photoshopped if i had my laptop with me i could easily write "melissawebster opinion suck" and make it look legit (not saying your opinion sucks was just using an example)

But ive never seen the so called original so i cant aay it a fake pic

[Gwen Stacy]

I see your point for sure. And I agree with some of it.

But the other thing we have to consider with the trilogy, ¡Uno! specifically, is the frequency and tenacity of the profanity. It's more than any other album. A lot of fuck's, to name one. I think the band has been able to get away with the profanity in the past due to how limited it was.

For example: On 21CB, there really wasn't that much. American Idiot had a little, yes, and did all the previous albums. But not nearly the amount that will be on ¡Uno! This could certainly be a reason why we will see a clean version.

You are correct good sir. My objection isn't with the edited versions of the albums. They've done that before and they'll do it again, no biggie. There is still the real version widely available for anyone who wants it. My objection is with then handing it over to Wal-Mart after they specifically told them to fuck off four years ago. I would have loved to have seen them release the edited version, and then not give it to Wal-Mart as an even bigger middle finger. My inner businessman understands the decision, but my inner idealist is slightly disappointed and irked. Not going to boycot the record over this, it just slightly irritates me is all.

Good to see we're cooling off and having a dialogue about this as opposed to a shouting match

[Heather.]

Even if Green Day went out of their way to demonize and shun Walmart in the past, it doesn't make them hypocrites for cooperating now. I honestly think they just have so much more important shit to deal with, this issue is soooo not on their radar like it is for us.

I doubt they're losing sleep over their principles, either ones we think they had and they've forsaken, or principles they know that they themselves still have.

I'm sure at some point some clever journalist (or fan) will confront them in an interview about this. And if they don't shit their pants and realize they're hypocrites (as I'm sure they won't), then we shouldn't either.

[Sanity Loan]

The writing could easily be photoshopped if i had my laptop with me i could easily write "melissawebster opinion suck" and make it look legit (not saying your opinion sucks was just using an example)

But ive never seen the so called original so i cant aay it a fake pic

Those flyers are actually real. Fan-made though, which is the thing that matters. But also Tré holding it up and one of the band's main photographers taking a picture of him doing so takes it to a whole new level.

[Clayish]

Y'all are bad fans.