Heather. Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Wal Mart is #1 retailer for selling cds Yeah, but how many people do you know that buy CDs? And if they're the #1 retailer that's depressing, because they have the most pathetic collection I've seen in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skindogfuss Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Not sure who said it, but the nail was pretty much hit on the head when someone said Warner has allowed the band to do all this, so the band has to allow Warner to do bits of what they want to do. I'm not going to buy the censored version, but it doesn't bother me that there is one. Who really cares? If you're not going to buy the censored version then why care about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I know alot of people who still buys cds and vinyls but i also work in music and film business so that may've effect on my answer In Houston theres not alot of choices ethier best buy who are cutting down on music (the biggest BB store in Houston has gotten rid of ALL cds altogether) or Catcus which is local owned but overcharges or wal mart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a grouch Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It occurs to me that when I posted earlier in this thread that I'd be getting the "clean" version so that my 7yo son can listen to it, I probably should have mentioned that it's for "family" listening. I've already pre-ordered the ("explicit") box set. In fact, I don't have ANY "clean" versions of their songs now (which made it tough to put together a playlist for the 7yo - even "Good Riddance" starts with BJ screwing up the guitar and saying "Fuck!"). I ALWAYS want the band to say whatever they want to say however they want to say it. I abhor censorship...um...unless it's me censoring what my kid hears. As others have pointed out, little kids will mimic what they hear without knowing what they're saying. Once he picks up the 7-words-you-can't-say-on-television (and whatever else), he can listen to the songs the way the band intended them to be heard. Until then, I'd like him to enjoy the music without having him tell his 2nd grade teacher (even if it's true), "Shut your mouth 'cuz you're talking too much and I don't give a fuck anyway!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 And on the other issues they are not really censoring themselves they are offering an alternative version of their album. It's not like they are only recording non explicit albums now (which would be censoring themselves) The fully explicit version of the album is still going to be there, buy it an be happy or don't. Most recently, the band pulled the American Idiot video off their official Youtube channel and replaced it with a censored version. The original, unedited video that doesn't mute out the naughty politically-charged lyrics "mindfuck America" and "faggot America" -- specifically chosen words that are part and parcel of why what's become their signature song was such a bold step -- no longer exists on Youtube as an official release. The only way to find the uncensored version online now is in bootlegs. This I think is very different than the band posting an alternate, "clean" version of the video and making viewers of the original uncensored version click an "I'm over 18" link before showing it. They made the original uncensored version unviewable as if it never before existed. What's up next for the censor as the band repackages itself for "family-friendly" marketing, Longview? Brain Stew? Minority? If this isn't an example of the label starting to sell out the band to become more marketable to the kiddies, or worse yet to make it more marketable politically (and the band either willingly agreeing to it, or having no choice but to agree to it in order to get the label to back a risky 3-album-release venture), I don't know what is. This, combined with their agreeing to release "clean" versions of the album trilogy to retailers who in the past they've gleefully told to fuck off, makes me wonder what the hell direction Green Day has decided to take off in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJedi Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Most recently, the band pulled the American Idiot video off their official Youtube channel and replaced it with a censored version. The original, unedited video that doesn't mute out the naughty politically-charged lyrics "mindfuck America" and "faggot America" no longer exists on it. The only way to find that online now is in bootlegs. what the fuck... they deleted the uncensored one? ._. well.. never expected that from Green Day.. but okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I have a feeling Green Day have no idea what their youtube account does... just sayin'. It's a very valid concern though, I didn't realize the newly uploaded AI video was censored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 6) I give you the one on being able to listen to the music at work. That's a nice bonus, but really, do we all have to suffer for it? I'm DYING to know how YOU are going to suffering because Green Day is going to have a censored version of Uno. Don't buy it, problem solved. Jesus Christ people. And btw, decisions like this really are up to the label in the end. If the label sees a need to do it, then fine. Don't like it? Buy the explicit version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJedi Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 lol. of course i didnt expect Green Day to release a censored version.. but some of you are 100% overreacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Most recently, the band pulled the American Idiot video off their official Youtube channel and replaced it with a censored version. The original, unedited video that doesn't mute out the naughty politically-charged lyrics "mindfuck America" and "faggot America" -- specifically chosen words that are part and parcel of why what's become their signature song was such a bold step -- no longer exists on Youtube as an official release. The only way to find the uncensored version online now is in bootlegs. This I think is very different than the band posting an alternate, "clean" version of the video and making viewers of the original uncensored version click an "I'm over 18" link before showing it. They made the original uncensored version unviewable as if it never before existed. What's up next for the censor as the band repackages itself for "family-friendly" marketing, Longview? Brain Stew? Minority? If this isn't an example of the label starting to sell out the band to become more marketable to the kiddies, or worse yet to make it more marketable politically (and the band either willingly agreeing to it, or having no choice but to agree to it in order to get the label to back a risky 3-album-release venture), I don't know what is. This, combined with their agreeing to release "clean" versions of the album trilogy to retailers who in the past they've gleefully told to fuck off, makes me wonder what the hell direction Green Day has decided to take off in. My main hope is that if they do find that Warner becomes too restrictive, they do what they can to pull the plug on that relationship. That said, they have been very permissive in terms of the risks they have allowed this band to take (relative to the position that they *could* take, anyway), so we can only watch from afar. I for one have no involvement in the music industry and therefore no place to comment on the inner workings of the band-label relationship, but all I can say is that, pragmatically, I think that having an edited version can potentially have a positive effect on their future, while not actually affecting me one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Green Day's YouTube channel officially released a new "clean" version of the American Idiot video last week. The only difference from the original is they bleeped out the profanity. i.e. censorship OHHHHHHH...You mean the exact same thing that MTV has done to that video for 7 years now. I think this gets files in the "big fucking deal" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 OHHHHHHH...You mean the exact same thing that MTV has done to that video for 7 years now. I think this gets files in the "big fucking deal" category. What was it that Mike said about censorship (of the "bleep" variety anyway) ? It makes people curious what's being said there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What was it that Mike said about censorship (of the "bleep" variety anyway) ? It makes people curious what's being said there... YES! I'd also like to propose this thought...Who can say with 100% certainty that BJA didn't write the "radio edit" version of Kill the DJ first? And then, after some though, said "hey let's throw some 'fucks' in there." Anybody? Anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wubbzy Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Oh baby baby it's fun time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 YES! I'd also like to propose this thought...Who can say with 100% certainty that BJA didn't write the "radio edit" version of Kill the DJ first? And then, after some though, said "hey let's throw some 'fucks' in there." Anybody? Anybody? HAHAHAHAHAHA. I love you right now. I'm still fascinated to see/hear about some of the edited versions... Just out of pure curiosity. I think there is a lot of potential for humor and I think they get that... "It's 'Fun' Time"... Oh baby baby it's fun time! Haha you stole my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 My main hope is that if they do find that Warner becomes too restrictive, they do what they can to pull the plug on that relationship. That said, they have been very permissive in terms of the risks they have allowed this band to take (relative to the position that they *could* take, anyway), so we can only watch from afar. GD wouldn't have the same playing field with another label as they do on Warner .... if they were to sign to a new label it'd be expensive new label would force GD to do songs the label wants (new single Green Day ft Pitbull and Keisha!!!) No 3 albums etc GD has more indepence on Warner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 GD wouldn't have the same playing field with another label as they do on Warner .... if they were to sign to a new label it'd be expensive new label would force GD to do songs the label wants (new single Green Day ft Pitbull and Keisha!!!) No 3 albums etc GD has more indepence on Warner Oh of course, but regardless you don't want them feeling stuck. I don't think they are there at this point, though; this stuff is always just a wave of new information and of course we as fans have a response to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkriegdeb Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm wondering if maybe Warner realized how big a fuck-up the promotion for 21stCB was, and they're trying to make up for it. Probably just wishful thinking, but whatever. It's kind of amusing that they're releasing a clean version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm wondering if maybe Warner realized how big a fuck-up the promotion for 21stCB was, and they're trying to make up for it. Probably just wishful thinking, but whatever. It's kind of amusing that they're releasing a clean version. I actually agree with you 100%. The people who keep talking about how "Green Day doesn't need Wal-Mart to be successful" and what not need to realize one thing...21ST CENTURY BREAKDOWN WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL! At least in regards to how Green Day success is measured. Promotion for that album was total shit. People also need to realize that a vast majority of people do ALL of their shopping at Wal-Mart. I'm talking food, clothes, accessories, MUSIC, etc. It would be fucking stupid for a label to not try to get their music in that medium. Edit: 21st CB is my fav Green Day album to date...so in no way was I hating on the album itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I actually agree with you 100%. The people who keep talking about how "Green Day doesn't need Wal-Mart to be successful" and what not need to realize one thing...21ST CENTURY BREAKDOWN WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL! At least in regards to how Green Day success is measured. Promotion for that album was total shit. People also need to realize that a vast majority of people do ALL of their shopping at Wal-Mart. I'm talking food, clothes, accessories, MUSIC, etc. It would be fucking stupid for a label to not try to get their music in that medium. Edit: 21st CB is my fav Green Day album to date...so in no way was I hating on the album itself. They're really doubling down, I think, because of 1) the relative weakness of 21CB's sales and 2) the perceived (or actual) riskiness of the present endeavor. And I like I said... gateway drug . Also, 21 CB is my favorite as well <3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I never saw the reason for the hate on 21st its a good album in my top 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Rhyme Or Reason Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I never saw the reason for the hate on 21st its a good album in my top 3 Me too! 21st Century Breakdown is up there with American Idiot and Nimrod for me. But we'll see what happens once the trilogy comes out Personally, I don't mind that they're releasing a censored version of the new albums. It's good because it means that younger kids will have a better opportunity to get into Green Day and become fans of some of the best music out there. Parents that wouldn't have bought albums with parental advisory stickers will now have clean versions to allow their children to listen to, and that just opens them up to a whole new world of great music. They can get into the uncensored stuff later. Plus, this means that places like Walmart will sell it. It is the biggest seller of physical CDs these days (which is really sad, imo, but that's another conversation...). I don't think Green Day is going back on their principals, per se. It might be because this censorship isn't about the ideas (as with AI or 21CB), but about the swearing. I wouldn't ever want them to censor ideas and discussions of important issues like politics and religion, but in this case it's not about that. These albums are more fun, and as far as I can tell, the only thing being changed is the swearing. It doesn't compromise the messages in the songs. Also, as some have mentioned, it might just be because the label is agreeing to release 3 albums in 4 months - risky move, especially in today's musical climate - and Green Day kind of had to give in on this one. I don't know if this was the case, but it's equally plausible. But it's not that big of a deal either way. I will be buying the explicit versions of course, though I think I might check out some of the censored versions too, just out of curiosity. I just want to see how they edit Fuck Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I will be buying the explicit versions of course, though I think I might check out some of the censored versions too, just out of curiosity. I just want to see how they edit Fuck Time... This is the same thing I have been thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Holly Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I don't think green day are headed in a bad direction or selling out, more like, coming round to the idea after seeing the advantages. Take technology for example, Billie said he hated it, but now has an iPhone, Twitter, etc... I felt this way when things like smart phones and iPad's started coming out, but as more and more people around me started to use them, I could see the obvious advantages and began to think "hey, that's not a bad idea". As these things become more popular, it becomes impractical to ignore them. Imagine you tried to ignore the internet? Most of us probably wouldn't be able to do our jobs. Social networking is increasingly popular and is a great way to connect with fans and promote your music, and I'm sure this is why green day have started doing it- they now recognise the advantages, and they are obviously enjoying it (at least they seem to enjoy using instagram), it's not a question of selling out if you didn't have all the facts beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayish Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Who cares. More sales, better for Green Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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