Dalya Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 So does it mean 5 years old punks will be allowed to listen to some real music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingContradictionPL Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 About censorship on youtube. In Poland I wasn't allowed to see the uncensored version of American Idiot video. In my area there was only avaliable on the official channel version form Bullet in a Bibe. To tell the truth I've never seen nowhere that video without censorship. All the videos of anyone which I have seen were with censorhip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcause Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm loving the promotion of these albums - it's creative and fun, and I love it that the band's being active in it thru their Instagrams. I love having the songs hurled at me every which way, live stuff and official video, and fuckit, how great was it to hear new songs direct from Billie Joe's iPod, live on the radio?? It's bliss to me - it's anarchic and chaotic and so full of the excitement these guys have in bringing their wild new music to the people. As regards to people feeling somehow irritated by all of this, I would say take a step back and realize that the marketing is not about the fanbase, it's about creating consciousness in the wider world, the world where people aren't waiting breathlessly for Green Day's latest offering, the world where - like the contestants on The Voice that Billie Joe talked about - people are going 'what's a Green Day??' Y'know what - I think it's so cool for those people, and I'm so glad for them. They'll maybe see the Angry Birds game and get curious about the band behind it that seems like fun, and then maybe they'll find the song that changes their whole fucking lives, and they'll be so fucking grateful for it. Remember that moment, guys ?? Remember that song, whatever it was?? So to the 'clean' version shit ; I raised my eyebrow for a fucking flicker before I went 'your music, your choice'. It's entirely up to the artist how at any moment they choose to purvey their art, and what's today's priority can change tomorrow. It's art, it's out there for you to avail of or not - it's music, you fucking feel it and take it to you - fuckit, everyone can do what they wanna do, but the contrast between the liberated joyousness of Green Day's new direction and the judgemental, cynical tone of some of the stuff on here couldn't be more pronounced. It's somewhere like the three degrees of 'Stan'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerardsangel4977 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 There were even photos with them, or at least Tre, holding a sign saying something along the lines of 'screw Walmart' around the time there was the thing about Walmart not carrying 21stCB. And now they've gone ahead and recorded alternative, censored versions and replaced their videos. In other words, they've taken active action to support censorship. Allowing a version with swears muted is one thing, but re-recording songs and re-releasing censored versions of your old albums is quite another. You know, they haven't actually gone back and re-recorded any of their older material.....not sure where you got that from. They werent adement on the last 2 just 21st they released an edited version of AI for the first year in 2004-2005 but Warner diacontinued it THIS! The discontinuation of that version would explain why some of us remember seeing it and others don't Good to get that discrepancy cleared up. I'm getting sick of arguing over the clean thing, but I honestly am confused why the album is being marketed to tweens...this is probably going to sound snooty, but I don't see that age group being able to appreciate the songs. At least in my experience, middle schoolers are just like "heh heh I KNOW WHAT SEX IS!!1!!1!!! LOLZ" ...just from my experience... You know, I don't get why this bothers people.....it's not as if Green Day has ever avoided the tween market. The way people talk, you'd think they'd been marketing themselves as strictly for adults for the past 25 years I agree. If there's a fault here, I'd say it's that too big a thing was made of their "stance against Walmart" with 21st CB. The media and fans blew it up like it was some kind of huge ideological stand (and the band themselves played up to it too), when really all they were doing was not making a second version of their CD especially to be sold in one chain of stores. They've never objected to or complained about other people/companies or whoever making clean versions of their CDs and never had a problem with their videos being censored (which they were on their own official DVD) or singles being censored on TV and radio. Before that one Walmart issue with 21st CB I don't think I'd ever heard them mention their opinion on censored versions of CDs. In fact just last year they released a CD called Awesome As Fuck and called it Awesome As F**k everywhere, including on the CD itself and on their website and YouTube channel. Saying no to making a censored version of one album doesn't equal a lifelong hard line anti censored CDs stance. Saying they've suddenly changed their ideals based on that seems like a pretty big assumption. Not that this will make anyone feel better, but I always kind of thought the whole refusing-to-sell-at-Walmart was half a publicity stunt anyway Which would be a whole 'nother level of hypocrisy, but should make everyone feel better about the current crisis And also just the fact that they talked about it in interviews (It was one of Colbert's questions, and those things are always somewhat scripted/planned, as in, someone from Green Day's team TOLD HIM to ask about it)... their defiance got them in the news. We know they're not *actually* that hardcore, they're a totally mainstream band. I didn't buy the whole charade then, so maybe that's why I'm not surprised the charade is up now. I've been saying this for the past three years LOL. Of course, people got pissed at me for saying it then....but at least I didn't have to deal with the subsequent rude awakening that seems to be going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You know, they haven't actually gone back and re-recorded any of their older material.....not sure where you got that from. You know, I didn't actually say that, not sure where you got that from. They've re-recorded songs - see the ~clean version of Kill the DJ They've re-released censored versions of old albums - see the newly censored AI video. I posted this before knowing there apparently was a censored version of the AI album before, so alright, replace "albums" with "material". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeysturkeyhead Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 They're censoring the entire catalogue. There will be "clean" versions of every album they've ever done now. Official videos too apparently. Billie Joe Armstrong was right. Old Green Day is gone. They've moved on. Now it's all about crash and burn pop star marketing and making as much money as they possibly can. Sorry, but... What the actual fuck?! I see this clean version as something good. Sure, I ain't buying the clean version, but it's positive for others. Like younger fans who's not allowed to hear the uncensored version, or people who arent alowed to buy it because of religious aspects. Seriously?! Why do you even botter?! It doesn't affect you in ANY way, just stop this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeyes Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You know, I don't get why this bothers people.....it's not as if Green Day has ever avoided the tween market. The way people talk, you'd think they'd been marketing themselves as strictly for adults for the past 25 years Hahah true, true, I may just be biased against tweens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Sorry, but... What the actual fuck?! I see this clean version as something good. Sure, I ain't buying the clean version, but it's positive for others. Like younger fans who's not allowed to hear the uncensored version, or people who arent alowed to buy it because of religious aspects. Seriously?! Why do you even botter?! It doesn't affect you in ANY way, just stop this shit. Excuse me? First of all, that was posted several days ago and you're showing up late for the party. Second, everyone on this forum is entitled to share their thoughts and opinions on this subject and deserve to be treated with respect and have their voices heard. Silencing dissenting voices is part of the problem. Stop being part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerardsangel4977 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You know, I didn't actually say that, not sure where you got that from. They've re-recorded songs - see the ~clean version of Kill the DJ They've re-released censored versions of old albums - see the newly censored AI video. I posted this before knowing there apparently was a censored version of the AI album before, so alright, replace "albums" with "material". The American Idiot video isn't newly censored either. It is a shame that the uncensored version is no longer on their youtube account, but there was always an edited version out there for televised use. I do apologize for my misinterpretation of the former part of your post; I don't consider the clean versions of current stuff to be re-recorded since I imagine they would've taken care of any alternate versions at the same time (and, even then, they really just record the short snippets they need to use for those lines, rather than redoing the entire song, usually). So I took your use of that word, combined with the rest of the sentence, to mean that you thought they had redone older songs that didn't have clean versions previously. But seriously, I only pointed it out because I thought it would make you feel better to know that the band hadn't actually gone *that* far. Wasn't really expecting the snippy response. Safe to say we both misinterpreted each other, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeysturkeyhead Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Excuse me? First of all, that was posted several days ago and you're showing up late for the party. Second, everyone on this forum is entitled to share their thoughts and opinions on this subject and deserve to be treated with respect and have their voices heard. Silencing dissenting voices is part of the problem. Stop being part of the problem. e I'm not disrespectfull, I'm just having an opinion to:) My point is just that it shouldn't botter you as it doesn't affect you:) Okay? Plus, just cause you posted that several days ago, doen't mean I can't have an opinion about it. Your opinion hasn't really changed since then so what does it matter which one I reply to? I just think you're making to much of a deal about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 The American Idiot video isn't newly censored either. It is a shame that the uncensored version is no longer on their youtube account, but there was always an edited version out there for televised use. I do apologize for my misinterpretation of the former part of your post; I don't consider the clean versions of current stuff to be re-recorded since I imagine they would've taken care of any alternate versions at the same time (and, even then, they really just record the short snippets they need to use for those lines, rather than redoing the entire song, usually). So I took your use of that word, combined with the rest of the sentence, to mean that you thought they had redone older songs that didn't have clean versions previously. But seriously, I only pointed it out because I thought it would make you feel better to know that the band hadn't actually gone *that* far. Wasn't really expecting the snippy response. Safe to say we both misinterpreted each other, then? The censored version wasn't the standard though. They've made it the standard now. Well, they've probably done that at the same time, but they recorded it for the use of media who are too prude for swears, they didn't record versions without profanity because that's what they had in mind for the songs. Yeah, sure. Sorry, I was a bit annoyed with everyone disagreeing on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J&TheNight Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have read through 6 pages of the most petty and unappreciative debate I've ever seen. I've said it before and will say it again, Green Day fans are the most unappreciative little shits ever. Period. Done. Nothing makes them all happy, and if GD does ONE thing a fan doesn't completely agree with, they just throw the biggest fits ever. This trilogy has shaken me up, I'll admit. Daily, I find myself questioning if the band has sold out, or if I THINK I like the music because I'm too afraid to admit they might have missed the mark this time. But in the end I arrive at the same conclusion; I am a REAL true and blue fan, and I will roll with this trilogy until Tre! comes out. Because only then will we have the ability to form a true opinion on this move. To everyone bitching about this recent move towards censorship, just shut the fuck up. Really. IF you don't want a censored version, then don't fucking buy the god damned censored version!!! That is such a simple solution. To everyone who keeps insisting that they denied censoring American Idiot, you're wrong. At the time, i bought the damn thing censored. When my copy broke, i DL'd it censored on accident. Then I thought fuck it and just bought it again uncut. This decision was almost brutally obviously left up to the record label, and for damn good reasons. Warner is letting their big band do something that doesn't happen. Did anyone actually think Green Day could put out 3 albums in such a small time frame and NOT have Warner pull out every weapon in the arsenal?! If you did, you are a fucking moron. This huge amount of promotion for the trilogy is so damn exciting, and all you shits can do is complain and complain. "They're going back on what they said years ago!" "Censoring these albums is clearly the biggest world issue right now!" "Walmart is the epitome of all evil". I'm actually ashamed at times to call myself a Green Day fan. I'm more ashamed to admit that. It's not because of the band either, it's because of the fans. You pout and cry, stomp your little feet, and then continue throwing your bitch fits. You sicken me. You call yourself fans, but then complain for 18 fucking years that you never got a second Dookie. Posers. A terrible insult, but it sums you up right. You aren't "Green Day" fans, you're "Dookie" fans. So please, log off this forum and get the fuck out, for good. This of course isn't directed at those few who prefer dookie, but actually give the other albums a chance. I'm holding back any and all opinions on this trilogy until I've heard the whole thing as that is clearly the most logical thing to do. You judge a band on their music. Not the image or ideas, but on their music. You can applaud them for being brave and enjoy their ideas, but if you don't like the music a band puts out, then how can you say you're a fan of the group?! That's like saying you are a fan of hamburgers even though you only saw a picture of one!!! There have been so many valid points on this thread that I can't go back and quote them all, but thank you to all the reasonable fans who realize that the band has changed over the years. Honestly, if you haven't changed one bit in the 8 years since America idiot, then you're either a huge fucking liar, or so caught up in yourself that it's sickening. The world has changed so much since 2004, I almost don't recognize it sometimes. But through it all, I have Green Day. Since I first heard of them in 2003, to this day 9 years later, they have been there every step of the way. I discovered so much of their music over the years as I grew as a fan, and I've changed so much from it. In short, all I want to say in this is Thank You Green Day. Thank you for continuing to put out music, to play shows, to tour, to exist, to constantly surprise me with what you'll do next. I'm sorry we as fans seem to always assume you've given up every time you try to do something even a little different, but please don't take that as a sign to give us what we want. You know what's best I'm sure, so keep doing your thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvrman Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Why has life just got complicated ? Most sellers in the UK just list Uno; no explicit, edited or clean tabs, so how the heck do we know what we will be getting ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Why has life just got complicated ? Most sellers in the UK just list Uno; no explicit, edited or clean tabs, so how the heck do we know what we will be getting ? That will be the explicit. As far as I know the clean version is for the United States. It seems to be the only country where the clean version is available on iTunes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanz25 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Oh Baby Baby It's Fun Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 That will be the explicit. As far as I know the clean version is for the United States. It seems to be the only country where the clean version is available on iTunes too. Yeah I can't really imagine seeing a clean version over here, or a least not one that's available widely. If there's only one version listed anywhere it'll be the explicit one I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Purry Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!! I haven't been here for so long and this is what you guys been arguing about LOL. Like people have said before it's not a big deal I will buy the dirty version and that's it! Warner and I also believe green day, cuz let's be real they're white male americans ofcourse they want to make as much money as possible. But I don't care they have SO much passion for their music and work their asses off! so what if they're bit of capitalists it's no big deal to me. That will be the explicit. As far as I know the clean version is for the United States. It seems to be the only country where the clean version is available on iTunes too. yet another reason I really don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJN Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 This decision is not the end of the world. I understand the reasons for it with a bad economy and Walmart being a huge distributor of music. I also understand that I have already heard as much, or more swearing in two songs from UNO as any album total (with the exception of Nimrod). Not to mention, 21CB did not sell as well as hoped or expected, and the Walmart decision probably had something to do with that. However, I have two issues with what is happening. The first is with the fact that people are so uptight about lyrical content. Our values are fucked up! People are unconcerned with death and violence, both in art and in real life, but get worked up over hearing about sex and cursing!? An issue brought up by Green Day, Walmart sells guns, but refuses to sell curse words. For the parents out there, isn't it better to have your children hear swear words and then have a discussion about why they can not be used in certain circumstances? Or is it better to attempt to prevent them from hearing anything so that when they do they will think it is "cool." Censorship is disgusting, and I wish our society could rap its head around the fact that we are supposed to have freedom of speech. Is it that important to hear swear words? Absolutely not! But are they important enough to censor? Absolutely not! It only makes it more attractive. My second point is in regards to Green Day. Again I understand that the album is dirty. But come on! Exposing children to realities will only better prepare them for it. You can learn alot by listening/watching mature material. Tommy is an incredibly graphic album, but you can learn so much from the symbolism and story. I don't think I am the only fan that feels that Green Day has been pulling some very commercial stunts lately. Their language in interviews, the oh love video, and this all point to an aging band who wants to make money off of this trilogy. Whether it is due to record company pressure or not, Green Day has been doing what marketing tells them to do lately. They have done this many times in the past as well. They have also been doing some awesome, spontaneous things that I love to see. However, I do feel it is the band's responsibility to not censor their art. The clean version of this album will not be an honest portrayal of the band's mindset and story for these records. They have enough fame, money, and power as an artist to do what they want at this point in their lives. They have millions of fans who will always love them. They don't need to do this. The excuses are weak, and I cannot help but be a little disappointed in this decision. To end, I will always be in love with Green Day and their music. They have done so much for me its unbelievable. I am so grateful that they are giving us so much new music is so little time. I am so grateful they are still out there playing their fucking asses off for their fans every night. And I am still going to buy the uncensored versions and not care about the rest of this bullshit. The issue is on censorship. Americans have lost a sickening amount of personal rights and freedoms over the course of the last 30 or so years. It would be nice to see the band stand up to it. But with 21CB Billie Joe passed the torch to the next generation. Green Day have done their thing and will still contribute, but they are ready to have fun right now. I am 20 years old and it is my turn to start taking on these issues. I will always love this band, so thank you Green Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starred Thoughts Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Not surprised, but seeing Best Buy in that list makes me hope that they're also selling the explicit version, as that's the only store near my school I can purchase it (that's close anyway). I bought Awesome As F**k there, so I am optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Not surprised, but seeing Best Buy in that list makes me hope that they're also selling the explicit version, as that's the only store near my school I can purchase it (that's close anyway). I bought Awesome As F**k there, so I am optimistic. I was just in Best Buy and they had all the explicit copies of AI and 21CB, so I think you should be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedestrian Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I smell bad ..... so what if they're bit of capitalists it's no big deal to me. Since when were Green Day capitalists!? Have you listened to their last two albums? That post was ever so slightly moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Since when were Green Day capitalists!? Have you listened to their last two albums? That post was ever so slightly moronic. You can be a socialist-sympathizer and still participate in the capitalist machine. That's what Green Day is. They're practicing capitalists and spiritual socialists, like most left-leaning people out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Purry Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Since when were Green Day capitalists!? Have you listened to their last two albums? That post was ever so slightly moronic. I'm just saying they like money I know a lot of fans don't like hearing that. dont forget they're multi milionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedestrian Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I'm just saying they like money I know a lot of fans don't like hearing that. dont forget they're multi milionaires. We all do though, and I have no problem with that. I just wouldn’t brand them as capitalists at all. More what Heather said ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Purry Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 We all do though, and I have no problem with that. I just wouldn’t brand them as capitalists at all. More what Heather said ^ That is just a fancy way to say it but i get what you're sayig Still don't care about the clean version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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