EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Just read the article very interesting. And no it does not belong in the wtf article of the week at all..why it makes a very good point frankly. Green Day were adement about the last two albums not being censored and they managed to break the mold at the time with American Idiot where other bands and artists shied away from the political they went full on and blew every away. They werent afraid of any bullshit or the Bush loving majority who thought a tyrant was a hero. They called out all the bullshit while others sat back. The fact they have now basically taken a 360 degree turn on the subject is extremely hypocritical to me. Yes theyve gotten older blah blah blah. That shouldnt have anything to do with it. If its their principals then way not continue to stand by them. Its is pandering to the poliitically correct brigade. Which to me is baffling as a Green Day fan. Okay yes people can support them on this issue but Im sick of people who stand up for them whatever they do even if it is an extremely hypocritical thing. Frankly I think they woosed out on the matter and thats disappointing as a Green Day fan. Okay its not the end of the world but I still find it irritating they have abrubtly changed their stance. Anyway rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 The one thing I don't get is in a recent article someone asked billie about censoring and he basically said the swears will be there and the tv shows/radio will do what they have to do. But we know he recorded alternative lyrics for kill the dj, so yeah. He seemed as though he didn't really care that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Just read the article very interesting. And no it does not belong in the wtf article of the week at all..why it makes a very good point frankly. Green Day were adement about the last two albums not being censored and they managed to break the mold at the time with American Idiot where other bands and artists shied away from the political they went full on and blew every away. They werent afraid of any bullshit or the Bush loving majority who thought a tyrant was a hero. They called out all the bullshit while others sat back. The fact they have now basically taken a 360 degree turn on the subject is extremely hypocritical to me. Yes theyve gotten older blah blah blah. That shouldnt have anything to do with it. If its their principals then way not continue to stand by them. Its is pandering to the poliitically correct brigade. Which to me is baffling as a Green Day fan. Okay yes people can support them on this issue but Im sick of people who stand up for them whatever they do even if it is an extremely hypocritical thing. Frankly I think they woosed out on the matter and thats disappointing as a Green Day fan. Okay its not the end of the world but I still find it irritating they have abrubtly changed their stance. Anyway rant over They werent adement on the last 2 just 21st they released an edited version of AI for the first year in 2004-2005 but Warner diacontinued it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Yes theyve gotten older blah blah blah. That shouldnt have anything to do with it. If its their principals then way not continue to stand by them. I don't necessarily totally disagree with your whole post, but you can't just say things like this and expect that it justifies it. You cannot be like "oh well that shouldn't have anything to do with it." Uh... yes it should? Because it's the whole reason? If the reason the censored albums are coming out is because they are getting older and their views on censorship have changed, then it obviously has something to do with it and they ARE sticking by their principals because these have became their principals. It's like trying to cancel out the opposite side before it even begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedestrian Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 They werent adement on the last 2 just 21st they released an edited version of AI for the first year in 2004-2005 but Warner diacontinued it Is that true? Because that probably changes a lot for some people’s perception’s of this. Personally, though, who really gives a shit!? The true, sweary version of the albums are the ones the band wanted to the make, and the ones we’ll all buy. Does it matter if a clean copy is out there somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 They werent adement on the last 2 just 21st they released an edited version of AI for the first year in 2004-2005 but Warner diacontinued it Thank you! I've been saying that this whole time. I think people think I made it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Yep they had em at wal mart a few other people have said it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaCharlatan&Saints Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I don't necessarily totally disagree with your whole post, but you can't just say things like this and expect that it justifies it. You cannot be like "oh well that shouldn't have anything to do with it." Uh... yes it should? Because it's the whole reason? If the reason the censored albums are coming out is because they are getting older and their views on censorship have changed, then it obviously has something to do with it and they ARE sticking by their principals because these have became their principals. It's like trying to cancel out the opposite side before it even begins. Its the fact that they have so drastically changed their opinions on it is what irks me and comes across as extremely hypocritical on their part. Fair enough if it was just these three new albums but to go back to American Idiot an album which FACT brought them back into the big time and earned them critical and mass praise in a time when every artist was afraid to touch politics is baffleing as it is pointless. The fact they are going along with it when 2-3 years ago they were basically saying fuck these guys for censoring our music we are not gonna let they now seem to be ah well sure I dont mind our political statements now being rendered pointless. For them to let American be censored 8 years after its release is insulting frankly. But what do I know :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Its the fact that they have so drastically changed their opinions on it is what irks me and comes across as extremely hypocritical on their part. Fair enough if it was just these three new albums but to go back to American Idiot an album which FACT brought them back into the big time and earned them critical and mass praise in a time when every artist was afraid to touch politics is baffleing as it is pointless. The fact they are going along with it when 2-3 years ago they were basically saying fuck these guys for censoring our music we are not gonna let they now seem to be ah well sure I dont mind our political statements now being rendered pointless. For them to let American be censored 8 years after its release is insulting frankly. But what do I know :/ Again, you have valid reasons to feel that way no matter what I feel. You can't just say "it shouldn't matter because they're older blah blah" because we can assume that the whole reason this is happening is because their mindsets toward getting their music out is changing with age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I honestly don't think they "all of a sudden" decided to change their mind. It seems pretty likely to me that they never had any diehard convictions about this kind of thing in the broader picture. Yes, they took a hard stance against it for 21CB, but it seems really unlikely to me that they had some kind of huge ideological shift, because think about it... people rarely, if ever, undergo ideological shifts. If they believed something, they probably still believe it. In this case, I don't think they believed much of anything but have on occasion decided to make contradicting decisions. That's about it. I agree. If there's a fault here, I'd say it's that too big a thing was made of their "stance against Walmart" with 21st CB. The media and fans blew it up like it was some kind of huge ideological stand (and the band themselves played up to it too), when really all they were doing was not making a second version of their CD especially to be sold in one chain of stores. They've never objected to or complained about other people/companies or whoever making clean versions of their CDs and never had a problem with their videos being censored (which they were on their own official DVD) or singles being censored on TV and radio. Before that one Walmart issue with 21st CB I don't think I'd ever heard them mention their opinion on censored versions of CDs. In fact just last year they released a CD called Awesome As Fuck and called it Awesome As F**k everywhere, including on the CD itself and on their website and YouTube channel. Saying no to making a censored version of one album doesn't equal a lifelong hard line anti censored CDs stance. Saying they've suddenly changed their ideals based on that seems like a pretty big assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redline punk Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 "Shut your mouth cause you're talking too much And I don't give a DAMN anyway" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlappy Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 i told someone i didnt care about this whole issue, as long as i get an uncesored version of the albums in my hands it doesnt matter... they said "Well then you dont care about Green Day!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkriegdeb Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 It's funny how much of a debate this turned into when the band probably doesn't/didn't give a fuck about it. I fail to see how some people think that the band is "going back of their ideals" or whatever. No offense, but if they really, truely didn't want their albums sold in Walmart, then why did they wait until 21stCB to say something about it? And why have we heard nothing about the supposed "Green Day vs. Walmart" fight nowadays? I'll reiterate what I said earlier, it seemed like it was this little minuscule thing that got blown up way out of the proportion (the band is partially to blame, but I digress). It was a good little story that helped to get Green Day back in the news with their new album. The way I see it, Green Day's "ideals" have always been about one thing - making the music they want, on their terms, and following through with great live music. If the band feel comfortable releasing a censored version, then fuck it, more power to them. If they went and released a country/dubstep album, because they wanted to, then more power to them. I personally will buy the uncensored version, but like I said, maybe some people will want a censored version, for whatever reason. And no, I'm not one of those people who constantly defend Green Day, I think we can all admit they've done some pretty stupid shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedestrian Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Here here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark in the night Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 The songs are good, but holy shit they are marketing/promoting these albums to death. I'm getting sick of all this weird contest/promotion crap and Uno hasn't even been released yet! As for having a clean version I say fuck clean versions. Don't trim, cut, tailor your music to fit people's preferences. Some people don't like FUCK, then too bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeyes Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 The songs are good, but holy shit they are marketing/promoting these albums to death. I'm getting sick of all this weird contest/promotion crap and Uno hasn't even been released yet! As for having a clean version I say fuck clean versions. Don't trim, cut, tailor your music to fit people's preferences. Some people don't like FUCK, then too bad! I agree with the promotions. They way they've been promoting ¡Uno! is like how stores start marketing for Christmas in October. By the time December 25th comes around, it doesn't feel like Christmas anymore because the season's been dragged out way too long. They keep releasing previews of songs to the point where I feel like there won't be any surprises left on ¡Uno!. (And I don't have the willpower to just not listen to the previews ) I'm getting sick of arguing over the clean thing, but I honestly am confused why the album is being marketed to tweens...this is probably going to sound snooty, but I don't see that age group being able to appreciate the songs. At least in my experience, middle schoolers are just like "heh heh I KNOW WHAT SEX IS!!1!!1!!! LOLZ" ...just from my experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 The songs are good, but holy shit they are marketing/promoting these albums to death. I'm getting sick of all this weird contest/promotion crap and Uno hasn't even been released yet! On the contrary, it's refreshing to see Warner actually investing in these records, especially after the debacle that was the 21CB 'promotion'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeyes Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 On the contrary, it's refreshing to see Warner actually investing in these records, especially after the debacle that was the 21CB 'promotion'. I thought the promotion of 21CB was fight club/hipster tactics. You don't talk about it. You either know about it, or you don't. I thought they didn't promote much because they didn't need to... Wow, I'm out of the loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Not that this will make anyone feel better, but I always kind of thought the whole refusing-to-sell-at-Walmart was half a publicity stunt anyway Which would be a whole 'nother level of hypocrisy, but should make everyone feel better about the current crisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Expect more promotional gimmicks people. Definitely think they've got more of that in store. Not that this will make anyone feel better, but I always kind of thought the whole refusing-to-sell-at-Walmart was half a publicity stunt anyway Which would be a whole 'nother level of hypocrisy, but should make everyone feel better about the current crisis Yep I felt that too - not that they didn't feel that way, but they definitely played up to it, specially for a band who has previously censored their work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Expect more promotional gimmicks people. Definitely think they've got more of that in store. Yep I felt that too - not that they didn't feel that way, but they definitely played up to it, specially for a band who has previously censored their work And also just the fact that they talked about it in interviews (It was one of Colbert's questions, and those things are always somewhat scripted/planned, as in, someone from Green Day's team TOLD HIM to ask about it)... their defiance got them in the news. We know they're not *actually* that hardcore, they're a totally mainstream band. I didn't buy the whole charade then, so maybe that's why I'm not surprised the charade is up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I don't think the Walmart thing was a stunt or anything, just that it was blown out of the water by GD fans who think way harder into things than the band themselves do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 They werent adement on the last 2 just 21st they released an edited version of AI for the first year in 2004-2005 but Warner diacontinued it THIS EXACTLY. People are blowing this out of proportions, it's no big deal. About the whole Youtube thing...wanna know something? OTHER artists on Warner are doing likewise, thee's no official word on why this is happening or whether they even mean to have the old videos inaccessible - no-one has ANY idea why except the album label, and presumably the bands. Who gives a fuck anyway? Yes maybe they were a tad against "censorship" publicly for 21CB but there WAS an edited version of AI + if anything the whole "oh we're against editing 21CB" was just for marketing. I could care less, and others should do likewise. There'll still be the same explicit versions available, as forever, along with censored videos, tv appearances, etc AS THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN. its really not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Not that this will make anyone feel better, but I always kind of thought the whole refusing-to-sell-at-Walmart was half a publicity stunt anyway Which would be a whole 'nother level of hypocrisy, but should make everyone feel better about the current crisis That's exactly how I see it and how I saw it at the time (I don't think it's a big deal though, they just played the whole sticking it to the man fuck Walmart thing up a bit to their advantage). Probably why the current situation doesn't bother me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespertine Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 They want to sell albums. What's wrong with that? Green Day is a mainstream band after all, and they're signed to a major label. What did you guys expect, really? Some people need to get through their heads that this is not an underground punk band we are talking about. I can't understand why some of you are so scared of promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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