Uno! to have "clean" version

[WhiteTim]

I have no issues on swearing I cuss a ton

The swearing thing is a religious thing it supposed to be against jesus to swear etc

Im not that much religious but i dont want my 7 year old to be cussing so when I am around him i dont cuss or listen or watch things that i think is inappropriate for him not that im gonna buy Uno clean for him ill have it unedited just wont play it every other weekend

Maybe the ones fighting so hard bout this clean version dont mond their small child walkin round goin what up motherfucka to strangers but I do

[melissawebster]

I have no issues on swearing I cuss a ton

The swearing thing is a religious thing it supposed to be against jesus to swear etc

Im not that much religious but i dont want my 7 year old to be cussing so when I am around him i dont cuss or listen or watch things that i think is inappropriate for him not that im gonna buy Uno clean for him ill have it unedited just wont play it every other weekend

Maybe the ones fighting so hard bout this clean version dont mond their small child walkin round goin what up motherfucka to strangers but I do

Seriously, please use punctuation. It's difficult and annoying trying to decipher your posts.

You say the profanity issue is about religion, but then you say you don't like the profanity around your kids even though you're not religious. Do you see the contradiction? The profanity has nothing to do with religion and especially Jesus, at least not from any Christianity I'm aware of. Maybe some weird fringe sect. But it is about parents who don't want their kids exposed to it. I get that.

And I have made it very clear that my stance on the clean versions is about censorship and not about parents exposing their kids to fuck words. I raised my kids without censorship and they never, not even once, repeated inappropriate swear words to me or in public because they heard them on a movie or TV show or in music. They understood the difference between what was okay to say and what was not, and the movies, TV and music didn't affect that. If the kid is too young to make that distinction, then that kid is too young to be listening to the music in the first place. Do you really think a five year old is going to care about Green Day even two months after they hear the music, much less two years? No. Of course not. They will have moved on to some other fad. Ditto for any other kid under the age of twelve.

[Femme Gauche]

I think the whole concept of profanity stems from Christianity but it is so long (read: many centuries) ingrained into our culture that we don't even think of the way the two things are related. But that aside, all that really matters here is that the record is going to reach a larger audience - not necessarily a younger audience, just a larger audience - and may in fact inspire those who know the difference to go out and get the uncensored versions. It's not about kids. At all.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

This is true, but why. I mean seriously, why would a parent, who's kid is young enough that they'd determine what music their kid listens to, want even a clean version of these albums? Uno has "Let Yourself Go" "Stay The Night" an "Oh Love" video that borders on soft porn, "Kill The DJ," etc... Dos has "It's Fuck Time" "Makeout Party," etc... I mean, out of the three, Tre sounds like the most tame. Why would any parent want their kid to listen to music with this kind of content? It isn't just about profanity. It's the entire trilogy story, combined with videos, combined with the content of the individual songs, being marketed for "family" consumption. It's not consistent. It doesn't make sense. And they had to sacrifice their personal convictions, or at least the personal convictions they've always publicly maintained, in order to do it. Why the fuck would they do that?

i don't know about you, but when I was a kid I listened to tons of songs my parents listened to and had no idea what they were about until i got older. Good music is good music.

Why would they do it? I guess because people change, opinions change. Big whoop.

[WhiteTim]

Seriously, please use punctuation. It's difficult and annoying trying to decipher your posts.

You say the profanity issue is about religion, but then you say you don't like the profanity around your kids even though you're not religious. Do you see the contradiction? The profanity has nothing to do with religion and especially Jesus, at least not from any Christianity I'm aware of. Maybe some weird fringe sect. But it is about parents who don't want their kids exposed to it. I get that.

And I have made it very clear that my stance on the clean versions is about censorship and not about parents exposing their kids to fuck words. I raised my kids without censorship and they never, not even once, repeated inappropriate swear words to me or in public because they heard them on a movie or TV show or in music. They understood the difference between what was okay to say and what was not, and the movies, TV and music didn't affect that. If the kid is too young to make that distinction, then that kid is too young to be listening to the music in the first place. Do you really think a five year old is going to care about Green Day even two months after they hear the music, much less two years? No. Of course not. They will have moved on to some other fad. Ditto for any other kid under the age of twelve.

Gotta love grammer police sorry im on my phone and dont always have time to do the commas etc.

You do realize that GD recorded clean vocals for the tracks so this isnt a censorship issue.

As far as me not wanting my kid to cuss has nothing at all to do with religion or beliefs I grew up not being allowed to cuss as a kid and i believe my kid shouldnt once he gets of age and if every word is a cuss word than go ahead just like ive done drugs i wouldnt want him to do drugs

[**nobodylikesyou**]

^grammar police. hahaha love it. I like to type lazy and don't punctuate properly and i dont give two shits about how others type.

Seriously, please use punctuation. It's difficult and annoying trying to decipher your posts.

You say the profanity issue is about religion, but then you say you don't like the profanity around your kids even though you're not religious. Do you see the contradiction? The profanity has nothing to do with religion and especially Jesus, at least not from any Christianity I'm aware of. Maybe some weird fringe sect. But it is about parents who don't want their kids exposed to it. I get that.

And I have made it very clear that my stance on the clean versions is about censorship and not about parents exposing their kids to fuck words. I raised my kids without censorship and they never, not even once, repeated inappropriate swear words to me or in public because they heard them on a movie or TV show or in music. They understood the difference between what was okay to say and what was not, and the movies, TV and music didn't affect that. If the kid is too young to make that distinction, then that kid is too young to be listening to the music in the first place. Do you really think a five year old is going to care about Green Day even two months after they hear the music, much less two years? No. Of course not. They will have moved on to some other fad. Ditto for any other kid under the age of twelve.

no the kid wont care, but I might. Maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the kid making the distinction. It has to to do with the parent and what they are comfortable with. If i want to listen to it with young kids in the car, I would like the option available. I don't want the censored version nowdays as my kids are older and I don't have to worry about them saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Not everyone thinks like you do when it comes to parenting and that is ok. There is more than one way to raise a family.

[melissawebster]

Gotta love grammer police sorry im on my phone and dont always have time to do the commas etc.

You do realize that GD recorded clean vocals for the tracks so this isnt a censorship issue.

As far as me not wanting my kid to cuss has nothing at all to do with religion or beliefs I grew up not being allowed to cuss as a kid and i believe my kid shouldnt once he gets of age and if every word is a cuss word than go ahead just like ive done drugs i wouldnt want him to do drugs

Actually, the fact that Green Day recorded their own clean vocals apart from the original music only proves they themselves censored their own music in order to market their music to a "larger audience." So nobody can claim it was Warner doing what they wanted without the band's consent. This is a choice Green Day made. Though I have no doubt it was a concession to Warner.

You completely missed my point on the religion thing, so I'm not even going to bother to address that one. And it wasn't an issue of the grammar police. The lack of punctuation makes the posts difficult to read, which is annoying. Nothing more complicated than that.

[WhiteTim]

If the only way you can read is by a couple of . and , that's kind of bad.

This is a message board not a college exam. I just don't worry about grammer on a simple message board sorry

[melissawebster]

If the only way you can read is by a couple of . and , that's kind of bad.

This is a message board not a college exam. I just don't worry about grammer on a simple message board sorry

Well, since I've responded to all of your posts, obviously I'm capable of reading it. I was only asking for basic consideration. Ya know, common courtesy? Manners? A display that you're an educated person and weren't raised in a barn? Any of those things ring a bell?

But hey, you're right, type however you want. Just don't expect me or anyone else annoyed by it to respond.

[WhiteTim]

Well, since I've responded to all of your posts, obviously I'm capable of reading it. I was only asking for basic consideration. Ya know, common courtesy? Manners? A display that you're an educated person and weren't raised in a barn? Any of those things ring a bell?

But hey, you're right, type however you want. Just don't expect me or anyone else annoyed by it to respond.

Trust me I'm very educated if I wasn't I wouldn't have been able to be in the career that I am in (14 years in the music industry and 5 in the movie industry). I'm just a lazy typer when I'm doing non work non important things escp since I only come to this forum on my phone.

[Jack [DF]]

I dislike this. Are Green Day not the band that three years ago said "There's nothing dirty about our record... They want artists to censor their records in order to be carried in there. We just said no. We've never done it before. You feel like you're in 1953 or something"? Sorry if someone's already mentioned this quote, but seriously. It goes against everything they've said to release a censored version.

[WhiteTim]

I dislike this. Are Green Day not the band that three years ago said "There's nothing dirty about our record... They want artists to censor their records in order to be carried in there. We just said no. We've never done it before. You feel like you're in 1953 or something"? Sorry if someone's already mentioned this quote, but seriously. It goes against everything they've said to release a censored version.

They were talking about 21st that wasnt dirty record there were what 2 or 3 songs that had a cuss word on it?

[**nobodylikesyou**]

Trust me I'm very educated if I wasn't I wouldn't have been able to be in the career that I am in (14 years in the music industry and 5 in the movie industry). I'm just a lazy typer when I'm doing non work non important things escp since I only come to this forum on my phone.

Ill respond because im a lazy typer too. also very well educated, just dont give a shit when it doesnt matter.

never did figure out why it mattered to people on a forum anyways. but hey to each their own right?

[Malleus]

Here's my two cents on this whole thing.

I'm pretty sure the only reason this is happening with these records is because of how bold of a move this is for Green Day. They're allowed to do this but the big guns probably said something like "We're gonna let you do this, but in turn just record versions of curses so we can sell them to grandmas" and they agreed. They're not the same snotty brats they used to be. They want to get the new music out now, and if making a different version of each album without any curses is how they can do it, I'm super fucking glad they're doing it. I wouldn't want to wait for the shit storm to blow over between Warner and GD if they decided to leave and I wouldn't want to order a copy of Uno off of an independent site and wait weeks for it to arrive. Thinking that this is Green Day "selling out" is ridiculous because if something like this is considered selling out - truly selling one's artistic vision and integrity out - then Green Day sold out a long time.

Again, I'm sure you guys can (and have) debate(d) a bunch of reasons as to why this is selling out or what happened, but at the end of the day I'm going to stick with thinking that Green Day did this to put out the three records knowing how much of a risk it is and didn't think much more than that.

Besides, it's not like they're censoring "Faggot America", which actually has a lot of meaning behind it where censorship would taint the message. They're censoring things like "oh baby baby it's fuck time", which as much as we all love it, isn't exactly artistic.

[crazyeyes]

Catching up on the new posts here just got me imagining a whole new reason for the clean record.

Mike & Billie: Hey, Tre? Why'd you make us release a clean album?

Tre: To make them think!

M & B: uhh...what?

Tre: TO MAKE. THEM. THIIIIINNNNKKKK.

[Bastard of 1967]

I'd say that was true if they'd opted to only release a censored version. But they haven't, they're releasing the full explicit version for anyone who wants it.

Then please explain to us what happened to their official YouTube's channel original American Idiot video. It's this, in combination with the about-face on what retail distributors they'll deal with and the mind-fuck marketing of a very adult romatic tragedy as family-friendly kids' music (see the popcorn graphic album covers and the Angry Birds collab), that makes me concerned for what's happened to Green Day's formerly firmly-grounded principles. Fine, so the 21st Century Breakdown promotion was weak -- when the band refused to compromise on the album content, Green Day was, from a principles perspective, acting 100% true to their authentic selves. I'm less sure of that authenticity now -- and thus less sure of what really matters to them today. That's quite a pisser in part because I grew fond of them for reasons that go beyond their music -- I grew fond of them also for who they are, what they've accomplished, and what (I thought) they stood for.

And *PLEASE* y'all, cut the "it's all the label's fault" B.S. You'll recall that last decade, when Prince was getting pushed by his label into a direction he didn't want to go, he found a way to escape his contracts by -- literally -- legally changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol. Legally I don't quite know how doing that got him out of his contract, but it did, and he's since changed it back as I understand. I'm not even remotely suggesting that Green Day should consider such a tactic, but I'm using this as an admittedly extreme example showing that when you're an established quantity like Green Day is, the label doesn't hold all the cards -- and yes you can push back if the marketing morons want to do something you resent.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

Then please explain to us what happened to their official YouTube's channel original American Idiot video. It's this, in combination with the about-face on what retail distributors they'll deal with and the mind-fuck marketing of a very adult romatic tragedy as family-friendly kids' music, that makes me concerned for what's happened to Green Day's formerly firmly-grounded principles. Fine, so the 21st Century Breakdown promotion was weak -- when the band refused to compromise on the album content, Green Day was, from a principles perspective, acting 100% true to their authentic selves. I'm less sure of that authenticity now -- and thus less sure of what really matters to them today. That's quite a pisser in part because I grew fond of them for reasons that go beyond their music -- I grew fond of them also for who they are, what they've accomplished, and what (I thought) they stood for.

And *PLEASE* y'all, cut the "it's all the label's fault" B.S. You'll recall that last decade, when Prince was getting pushed by his label into a direction he didn't want to go, he found a way to escape his contracts by -- literally -- legally changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol. Legally I don't quite know how doing that got him out of his contract, but it did, and he's since changed it back as I understand. I'm not even remotely suggesting that Green Day should consider such a tactic, but I'm using this as an admittedly extreme example showing that when you're an established quantity like Green Day is, the label doesn't hold all the cards -- and yes you can push back if the marketing morons want to do something you resent.

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maybe they have different feelings about it than they used to OR maybe, as ballad suggested, it was a crompromise with the label. Either way, its not really a big deal. you can't expect someone to never change their opinions over the years.

[melissawebster]

Here's my two cents on this whole thing.

I'm pretty sure the only reason this is happening with these records is because of how bold of a move this is for Green Day. They're allowed to do this but the big guns probably said something like "We're gonna let you do this, but in turn just record versions of curses so we can sell them to grandmas" and they agreed. They're not the same snotty brats they used to be. They want to get the new music out now, and if making a different version of each album without any curses is how they can do it, I'm super fucking glad they're doing it. I wouldn't want to wait for the shit storm to blow over between Warner and GD if they decided to leave and I wouldn't want to order a copy of Uno off of an independent site and wait weeks for it to arrive. Thinking that this is Green Day "selling out" is ridiculous because if something like this is considered selling out - truly selling one's artistic vision and integrity out - then Green Day sold out a long time.

Again, I'm sure you guys can (and have) debate(d) a bunch of reasons as to why this is selling out or what happened, but at the end of the day I'm going to stick with thinking that Green Day did this to put out the three records knowing how much of a risk it is and didn't think much more than that.

Besides, it's not like they're censoring "Faggot America", which actually has a lot of meaning behind it where censorship would taint the message. They're censoring things like "oh baby baby it's fuck time", which as much as we all love it, isn't exactly artistic.

Actually, they did censor "faggot America." Green Day officially released a new, "clean" version of the American Idiot video on YouTube last week and deleted the original version. In the video, "faggot" and "mindfuck" is missing, among everything else in the song that's remotely offensive, altering the entire meaning of the song and the political impact. That's what started this entire debate. It was the moment we all realized they were releasing "clean" albums to go with the uncensored ones.

[Femme Gauche]

Actually, the fact that Green Day recorded their own clean vocals apart from the original music only proves they themselves censored their own music in order to market their music to a "larger audience." So nobody can claim it was Warner doing what they wanted without the band's consent. This is a choice Green Day made. Though I have no doubt it was a concession to Warner.

You completely missed my point on the religion thing, so I'm not even going to bother to address that one. And it wasn't an issue of the grammar police. The lack of punctuation makes the posts difficult to read, which is annoying. Nothing more complicated than that.

The fact that they recorded clean vocals could be their way of asserting control of a situation and over the way that it sounds, rather than having cut-out versions. If there was going to be a "clean" version anyway, it would be a way to at least make it closer to what they wanted it to sound like. And like Heather said, they still swear at shows etc., it doesn't matter who is there (they clearly know that little kids go to the shows).

As for the American Idiot video, I can't really comment on that, but because it is Youtube I don't know how much they even pay attention to that, considering right now they are going around the world doing shows. But as for the changing of the opinion, with 21CB, it wasn't a "dirty record". They chose not to record a "clean" version because they didn't think it was dirty, and because the swearing was selective (relatively speaking) and furthered the messages in the album. Here, it seems, it is more an attitude thing - something which illustrates the attitude of the record but the lack thereof doesn't necessarily detract from the overall vibe of the song. They may have felt that having clean versions allowed them to still get that message - perhaps a very strong one indeed - to that wider audience.

[Bastard of 1967]

you can't expect someone to never change their opinions over the years.

I agree -- and if this does reflect a change of mind on the band's part, then I'm also entitled to change my opinion of them as well. I'll still buy the albums, listen to them, (I hope) love them, and rock out with abandon on the tour as I've always done. But this release cycle now has a bittersweet taste in that I think Green Day has become more like the other acts that I'd thought they'd transcended -- now, like everyone else out there, they're just another band trying to make a buck off the only demographic that's buying albums at all any more (the tween set, that is), any way they can, and former moral/ethical principles be damned. Til recently, I thought they were a whole lot better than that, and the realization that. push come to shove, they're not, is saddening.

[Femme Gauche]

In the video, "faggot" and "mindfuck" is missing, among everything else in the song that's remotely offensive, altering the entire meaning of the song and the political impact.

I think having a censored version actually furthers the political strength of the song, by the sheer fact that it is being censored.

[Malleus]

Actually, they did censor "faggot America." Green Day officially released a new, "clean" version of the American Idiot video on YouTube last week and deleted the original version. In the video, "faggot" and "mindfuck" is missing, among everything else in the song that's remotely offensive, altering the entire meaning of the song and the political impact. That's what started this entire debate. It was the moment we all realized they were releasing "clean" albums to go with the uncensored ones.

I'm aware of that, but it's not really the same as releasing the album censored. I doubt that the upload of a clean American Idiot on a Green Day youtube channel is enough evidence to suggest they are going to re-release all their albums without the swearing. Maybe I missed some piece of news that is saying this though, so I don't know.

Green Day probably have literally very little to do with that YouTube channel and the words were not replaced, they were just beeped out so I bet unless they checked it, they probably don't even know it's up.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

i did notice when I ordered the oh love ep from walmart that they do have the rest of the albums for sale on walmarts website. Which they never used to carry anything because of its filth. So idk.

I agree -- and if this does reflect a change of mind on the band's part, then I'm also entitled to change my opinion of them as well. I'll still buy the albums, listen to them, (I hope) love them, and rock out with abandon on the tour as I've always done. But this release cycle now has a bittersweet taste in that I think Green Day has become more like the other acts that I'd thought they'd transcended -- now, like everyone else out there, they're just another band trying to make a buck off the only demographic that's buying albums at all any more (the tween set!), any way they can. Til recently, I thought they were a whole lot better than that, and the realization that push come to shove maybe they're not, is saddening.

yes you are, and hopefully someone will ask them in this upcoming question and answer thingy and they will answer it and give us an explanation that makes sense to us.

[Hermione]

Then please explain to us what happened to their official YouTube's channel original American Idiot video. It's this, in combination with the about-face on what retail distributors they'll deal with and the mind-fuck marketing of a very adult romatic tragedy as family-friendly kids' music (see the popcorn graphic album covers and the Angry Birds collab), that makes me concerned for what's happened to Green Day's formerly firmly-grounded principles. Fine, so the 21st Century Breakdown promotion was weak -- when the band refused to compromise on the album content, Green Day was, from a principles perspective, acting 100% true to their authentic selves. I'm less sure of that authenticity now -- and thus less sure of what really matters to them today. That's quite a pisser in part because I grew fond of them for reasons that go beyond their music -- I grew fond of them also for who they are, what they've accomplished, and what (I thought) they stood for.

I don't think the YouTube thing means anything. There's censored and uncensored versions of most of Green Day's videos and since both are around there's a mix of censored and uncensored ones on there. Who knows, maybe it just needed re-uploading for whatever reason and happened to be the censored one. Whatever the reason is I'm pretty certain Green Day don't have any involvement with their YouTube channel whatsoever and never have, so it has nothing to do with them compromising anything.

[farley drexel hatcher]

I agree -- and if this does reflect a change of mind on the band's part, then I'm also entitled to change my opinion of them as well. I'll still buy the albums, listen to them, (I hope) love them, and rock out with abandon on the tour as I've always done. But this release cycle now has a bittersweet taste in that I think Green Day has become more like the other acts that I'd thought they'd transcended -- now, like everyone else out there, they're just another band trying to make a buck off the only demographic that's buying albums at all any more (the tween set!), any way they can. Til recently, I thought they were a whole lot better than that, and the realization that. push come to shove, they're not, is saddening.

I think that's a bit unfair personally. I don't think it's ever about making a quick buck, because CDs aren't even where money is made anymore. The way I see it, putting out boxsets, selling hoodies and board shorts, and yeah sticking out a censored album, it's just something that has to be done in this day and age to break even. And I will repeat myself - it's not the first time they have done so. Somewhere along the line they gave the okay for a censored American Idiot. Hell if Green Day boxers are okay, if a sexist and slightly misogynistic music video is okay and not a sign of the band changing, then I don't see how potentially making their music available to even more people can be something to turn a person off a band.