Uno! to have "clean" version

[melissawebster]

I don't understand where you're getting the assumption that they're marketing specifically to kids with the clean version. Just because it's a clean version, it doesn't mean it's mean for kids. If it was, it'd be placed with all the Disney and Baby Mozart records in Best Buy, Target, etc.

As I've previously stated, there's no way Green Day goes into the studio saying "Ok, let's make an album for the 18-30 year-olds so we can convince them to hate religion and vote for Obama." They write music for themselves based on their experiences, feelings, and opinions. There isn't a target audience.

Yeah, you're still missing the point I'm making, because I've been saying all along exactly what you're saying. This is the point. The music wasn't meant to be family friendly because Green Day doesn't write music like that, and they especially didn't write music like that for this album trilogy. The marketing is inconsistent. The marketing is following a formula that doesn't fit the music in order to sell to a larger audience, and in the process have confused everybody.

[Femme Gauche]

Yeah, you're still missing the point I'm making, because I've been saying all along exactly what you're saying. This is the point. The music wasn't meant to be family friendly because Green Day doesn't write music like that, and they especially didn't write music like that for this album trilogy. The marketing is inconsistent. The marketing is following a formula that doesn't fit the music in order to sell to a larger audience, and in the process have confused everybody.

But that's where you're disagreeing. Just because it is being censored doesn't mean it is being marketed toward kids. It is being marketed toward a group of people who might not otherwise be able to get the music.

[sharika]

Bwahaha! Like an exclusive club?

yes totally!! it's gonna be banging

[Heather.]

Yeah, you're still missing the point I'm making, because I've been saying all along exactly what you're saying. This is the point. The music wasn't meant to be family friendly because Green Day doesn't write music like that, and they especially didn't write music like that for this album trilogy. The marketing is inconsistent. The marketing is following a formula that doesn't fit the music in order to sell to a larger audience, and in the process have confused everybody.

That leaves me with... so what? It's capitalism at work, so if your concern is the marketing not matching the content, then that's an issue that his little to do with Green Day, even if they OK'd the clean version. At the end of the day Green Day DID NOT make a family-friendly album. I can picture very well at a big stadium show, where thousands of small kids attend, and Billie saying, "How the fuck is everyone? By the way parents, if you bought the clean version for your child, they are in for a treat tonight!" This isn't changing anything about the band's attitude on any fundamental level.

[farley drexel hatcher]

Not really. I know you've said you've seen a clean version of American Idiot before but I've never heard of it and no one else has either. The only ones I've seen were made by people (and myself). If there was/is an official clean version of American Idiot then it is very rare and wasn't a publicized release.

I know I've seen AI packaged without the PA sticker on the front, but it is still on the back.

So basically you're saying I either made it up or imagined it. It was October-November 2004, it was in my local Tesco megastore. 'American Idiot censored' plus without parental advisory sticker. They had that week's chart (general chart, not store chart) up on the wall and on it, American Idiot was somewhere in the top ten, and American Idiot censored was around the fifty mark, suggesting it had sold fairly well and in other stores. It may not have been publicised but it was available. I don't know why people seem so reluctant to believe me with this but it was out there, if only for a small amount of time. Saying 'not really' just because you didn't see it is kind of stupid.

[Sanity Loan]

Yeah, you're still missing the point I'm making, because I've been saying all along exactly what you're saying. This is the point. The music wasn't meant to be family friendly because Green Day doesn't write music like that, and they especially didn't write music like that for this album trilogy. The marketing is inconsistent. The marketing is following a formula that doesn't fit the music in order to sell to a larger audience, and in the process have confused everybody.

I'm not confused at all

And I get what you're saying. But it's not like they're saying "let's write music that's not meant for kids."

[Heather.]

So basically you're saying I either made it up or imagined it. It was October-November 2004, it was in my local Tesco megastore. 'American Idiot uncensored' plus without parental advisory sticker. They had that week's chart (general chart, not store chart) up on the wall and on it, American Idiot was somewhere in the top ten, and American Idiot uncensored was around the fifty mark, suggesting it had sold fairly well and in other stores. It may not have been publicised but it was available. I don't know why people seem so reluctant to believe me with this but it was out there, if only for a small amount of time. Saying 'not really' just because you didn't see it is kind of stupid.

What you just wrote... is about an uncensored version. If your point was to make a claim that a censored version existed, I think you failed

[Femme Gauche]

That leaves me with... so what? It's capitalism at work, so if your concern is the marketing not matching the content, then that's an issue that his little to do with Green Day, even if they OK'd the clean version. At the end of the day Green Day DID NOT make a family-friendly album. I can picture very well at a big stadium show, where thousands of small kids attend, and Billie saying, "How the fuck is everyone? By the way parents, if you bought the clean version for your child, they are in for a treat tonight!" This isn't changing anything about the band's attitude on any fundamental level.

Yeah, at my show in '10 he swore directly to the adorable five year old he pulled during EJN. He treated the kid like a kid, but he still swore... It's not like they automatically are like kids=no swears.

[farley drexel hatcher]

What you just wrote... is about an uncensored version.

... well im typing on an iPod, I'm ill, and I'm having a conversation with about three people. Obviously I meant to type censored, I'm not that stupid. It was obvious what I meant and that I just typed wrong.

[Tubbie Head]

I'm pretty sure they will not sell that version here XD

[Femme Gauche]

I'm pretty sure they will not sell that version here XD

Pff what's with all of you Europeans talking about how they aren't gonna sell a censored version where you are?! D< I am annoyed @ America.

[Heather.]

... well im typing on an iPod, I'm ill, and I'm having a conversation with about three people. Obviously I meant to type censored, I'm not that stupid. It was obvious what I meant and that I just typed wrong.

Wasn't obvious since you repeated it so many times, I thought you might have misread the label. Anyway, I do believe you that this was sold.

[melissawebster]

Pff what's with all of you Europeans talking about how they aren't gonna sell a censored version where you are?! D< I am annoyed @ America.

You and me both. Americans are idiots and have very screwed up priorities.

[Sanity Loan]

So basically you're saying I either made it up or imagined it. It was October-November 2004, it was in my local Tesco megastore. 'American Idiot censored' plus without parental advisory sticker. They had that week's chart (general chart, not store chart) up on the wall and on it, American Idiot was somewhere in the top ten, and American Idiot censored was around the fifty mark, suggesting it had sold fairly well and in other stores. It may not have been publicised but it was available. I don't know why people seem so reluctant to believe me with this but it was out there, if only for a small amount of time. Saying 'not really' just because you didn't see it is kind of stupid.

Hey now. Calm down What I meant by "Not really" was exactly what I said: It obviously wasn't sold everywhere and wasn't very publicized which indicates that it was "not really" released. I'm in no way calling you a liar or saying you're making it up.

I certainly would love to get my hands on one.

[farley drexel hatcher]

Wasn't obvious since you repeated it so many times, I thought you might have misread the label. Anyway, I do believe you that this was sold.

But my argument was that they'd done this before and I'd seen it. I didn't even know it said 'uncensored' till it was pointed out to me, must have been an autocorrect as I've obviously written it a lot or something I don't know. But yes, it was available.

[melissawebster]

I'm not confused at all

And I get what you're saying. But it's not like they're saying "let's write music that's not meant for kids."

Of course not. It's the marketing that's trying to convince the novice that the music is okay for kids. Actually, I think it's going to be really funny when all those parents buy the CD with no Parental Advisory warning on the label at Walmart and then get it home and hear it for the first time with their kids. I'm envisioning a whole lot of letters like the one Green Day got that inspired "Reject."

[Femme Gauche]

Of course not. It's the marketing that's trying to convince the novice that the music is okay for kids. Actually, I think it's going to be really funny when all those parents buy the CD with no Parental Advisory warning on the label at Walmart and then get it home and hear it for the first time with their kids. I'm envisioning a whole lot of letters like the one Green Day got that inspired "Reject."

... I don't think that's a bad thing . But then again, I think most parents buying a Green Day record at this point in time know that to at least some extent there is going to be some, shall we say not Sesame Street content.

[WorryRock02]

well to be onest? i'm not agree with a 'clean' version but...it's ok anywway.. it's not a band's decision but it comes from their label... so well i'll just not care about the clean and i'm going to buy the 'dirty' xD

[Sanity Loan]

Of course not. It's the marketing that's trying to convince the novice that the music is okay for kids. Actually, I think it's going to be really funny when all those parents buy the CD with no Parental Advisory warning on the label at Walmart and then get it home and hear it for the first time with their kids. I'm envisioning a whole lot of letters like the one Green Day got that inspired "Reject."

Good thing CDs aren't returnable

And if that's what it takes to have Billie write a song like Reject, I'm all for it!!

[Heather.]

Of course not. It's the marketing that's trying to convince the novice that the music is okay for kids. Actually, I think it's going to be really funny when all those parents buy the CD with no Parental Advisory warning on the label at Walmart and then get it home and hear it for the first time with their kids. I'm envisioning a whole lot of letters like the one Green Day got that inspired "Reject."

Those parents are as stupid as the people who sue McDonalds because they gained 100 pounds and had a heart attack. AKA undeserving of Green Day's music in the first place.

[melissawebster]

Good thing CDs aren't returnable

And if that's what it takes to have Billie write a song like Reject, I'm all for it!!

Ugh! I fear for the future of this country. I really do.

[melissawebster]

Those parents are as stupid as the people who sue McDonalds because they gained 100 pounds and had a heart attack. AKA undeserving of Green Day's music in the first place.

Haha! I see your point, to an extent. Anybody who believes eating any kind of fast food, especially fried food like hamburgers and french fries, and then is surprised because they got fat, is an idiot. I mean, how can anyone believe that kind of food is okay to eat all the time? You'd think basic common sense would be enough. But that's the power and responsibility of marketing. The average person is easily manipulated and duped by marketing, so if they aren't familiar with Green Day's music, like me two years ago, they will make decisions based on the marketing alone. Why wouldn't they?

And those average people are the ones these censored albums are being marketed to. So what does that say about Green Day?

[Femme Gauche]

Haha! I see your point, to an extent. Anybody who believes eating any kind of fast food, especially fried food like hamburgers and french fries, and then is surprised because they got fat, is an idiot. I mean, how can anyone believe that kind of food is okay to eat all the time? You'd think basic common sense would be enough. But that's the power and responsibility of marketing. The average person is easily manipulated and duped by marketing, so if they aren't familiar with Green Day's music, like me two years ago, they will make decisions based on the marketing alone. Why wouldn't they?

And those average people are the ones these censored albums are being marketed to. So what does that say about Green Day?

Anyone who is surprised/shocked by the records can bin 'em. Whatever. But there are those who may actually enjoy them, and IMO that makes them a little closer to someone I would want to be friends with... They might never have heard a Green Day record otherwise, but now, they love 'em, and to me, there's nothing bad about bringing new people into the fandom...

[jacknovella]

I don't see it as a big issue, Green Day refused to make an censored version of 21CB for Walmart back in 2009, but you have to remember that was in the whole politically charged GD era, where I think their politicial beliefs and philosophies were amplified. I think this era is a lot more about fun and so they just want to get their music out to as many people as possible.

Think of how many of us were saved by Green Day's music on a personal level, was it because of the swearwords in the lyrics? No. So let's not hold back a large number of people possibly being saved in the same way just because a few words are bleeped or edited out.

[Femme Gauche]

Think of how many of us were saved by Green Day's music on a personal level, was it because of the swearwords in the lyrics? No. So let's not hold back a large number of people possibly being saved in the same way just because a few words are bleeped or edited out.

This is just what I have been trying to say.