BCap Posted August 29, 2012 Author Share Posted August 29, 2012 OHHHHHHH...You mean the exact same thing that MTV has done to that video for 7 years now. I think this gets files in the "big fucking deal" category. The music video for "Minority" was posted three years ago, and has always been censored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCap Posted August 29, 2012 Author Share Posted August 29, 2012 MTV has to bleep out the words because of FCC guidelines, not to market to kids and sell their music in Walmart to make more money. If MTV could play all of it they would. Green Day has fully allowed Warner marketing to censor their music for the sole purpose of making more money. In essence, they have sold their souls. And that is a big fucking deal. MTV is a cable network, which means they are not held to FCC guidelines (i.e. they can air whatever they want, whenever they want). Only broadcast (i.e. over-the-air channels that you don't need a cable subscription for) channels must abide by FCC decency guidelines. Although they can never air "obscene" content, even the broadcast channels could still show the music vid for "American Idiot" uncensored between the hours of 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. (the times when "indecent" content like strong swearing is allowed on broadcast TV and radio), or at anytime if they have a valid reason (such as showing it because of educational or artistic content). I've heard a (relatively) local classic rock station play songs like "Jet Airliner," "Who Are You," and "Money" uncensored at all times of day, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigister Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 now this is why I'm going to buy it on iTunes if it's possible, even if I won't have a material copy of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**nobodylikesyou** Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Record labels are in the business to make money. A label has allowed GD to do amazing things. If you want the explicit version get it, if you don't don't. It's nice to have the option available if you are a parent with young kids. I know when American Idiot was out and my kids were younger, I liked having the edited version of the songs to play as I could still listen and not have to worry about them calling their grandparents faggot america or dropping the f bomb in a random sentence with them or at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyshitaflyingbanna Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Can someone explain whats so wrong with swearing... For some peoples it the best way of expressing themselves (especially in music). And come on... Kids have such easy access to TV shows and movies with harsh language violence and sex, it's not like they don't hear swearing in other forms of media and around them in real life. And the worst part is that its not like we don't get its a curse word, the meaning behind it stays the same only one time there's a bleep and the other there's a fuck... The stupid thing is that when it comes to rap they curse the shit out of the songs (and usually objectify women while they're at it) and it gets played over and over on the radio, but when it comes to rock music they will probably never play it uncensored (which in my mind is changing the artist initial idea and meaning behind the song). And that's what I love about the Israeli music industry in general, they aren't afraid of cursing, they see it as a why of expression and just because it's on the radio doesn't mean it's different from real life (and like I said before people curse in real life) Just a couple of examples that popped in my head right away: One of Israel's most famous modern musician Meir Ariel has a whole song about beating up his girlfriend in a car (in "graphic" detail) and that song gets so much praise and is played allot And another good example would be a more recent song (middle to late 2000's) about fucking in the rain (again in "graphic" detail) and when it was released it was a big hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 ^ There isn't anything wrong with swearing, but there is something wrong with exposing young children to swearing when they're too young to understand what swearing is and that it's not appropriate to repeat certain words. So for parents of young children it's handy to have a version without the swearing - it means instead of not letting them listen to certain songs they can just play the clean version (and the kid can start enjoying Green Day at an earlier age which is surely a good thing ). Doesn't mean a clean version should be expected or demanded, or that there's anything wrong with the explicit version. It's just a nice bonus to also have a clean version available for times when you can't play the explicit one. Also, rap music is censored just as much as rock music on tv and the radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Record labels are in the business to make money. A label has allowed GD to do amazing things. If you want the explicit version get it, if you don't don't. It's nice to have the option available if you are a parent with young kids. I know when American Idiot was out and my kids were younger, I liked having the edited version of the songs to play as I could still listen and not have to worry about them calling their grandparents faggot america or dropping the f bomb in a random sentence with them or at school. This is true, but why. I mean seriously, why would a parent, who's kid is young enough that they'd determine what music their kid listens to, want even a clean version of these albums? Uno has "Let Yourself Go" "Stay The Night" an "Oh Love" video that borders on soft porn, "Kill The DJ," etc... Dos has "It's Fuck Time" "Makeout Party," etc... I mean, out of the three, Tre sounds like the most tame. Why would any parent want their kid to listen to music with this kind of content? It isn't just about profanity. It's the entire trilogy story, combined with videos, combined with the content of the individual songs, being marketed for "family" consumption. It's not consistent. It doesn't make sense. And they had to sacrifice their personal convictions, or at least the personal convictions they've always publicly maintained, in order to do it. Why the fuck would they do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 MTV is a cable network, which means they are not held to FCC guidelines (i.e. they can air whatever they want, whenever they want). Only broadcast (i.e. over-the-air channels that you don't need a cable subscription for) channels must abide by FCC decency guidelines. Although they can never air "obscene" content, even the broadcast channels could still show the music vid for "American Idiot" uncensored between the hours of 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. (the times when "indecent" content like strong swearing is allowed on broadcast TV and radio), or at anytime if they have a valid reason (such as showing it because of educational or artistic content). I've heard a (relatively) local classic rock station play songs like "Jet Airliner," "Who Are You," and "Money" uncensored at all times of day, even. Where the FCC doesn't have power, advertisers still do. This is true, but why. I mean seriously, why would a parent, who's kid is young enough that they'd determine what music their kid listens to, want even a clean version of these albums? Uno has "Let Yourself Go" "Stay The Night" an "Oh Love" video that borders on soft porn, "Kill The DJ," etc... Dos has "It's Fuck Time" "Makeout Party," etc... I mean, out of the three, Tre sounds like the most tame. Why would any parent want their kid to listen to music with this kind of content? It isn't just about profanity. It's the entire trilogy story, combined with videos, combined with the content of the individual songs, being marketed for "family" consumption. It's not consistent. It doesn't make sense. And they had to sacrifice their personal convictions, or at least the personal convictions they've always publicly maintained, in order to do it. Why the fuck would they do that? Kids listen to Green Day. Kids like Green Day's music. Kids who are too young do not understand the story. There are songs on the radio that kids like, which one might not wish for a kid to know about, but they don't care. They like the way it sounds. If anyone who listens to Green Day has kids, they are going to hear it. This is just a way to hear it without the swears. It isn't being "marketed" for families. It is being marketed to whoever wants to hear it, and there are contexts in which it is not considered acceptible to have swear words blasting from a stereo, but in which no one is paying that close of actual attention ot the lyrics to give a crap about the overall meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 And they had to sacrifice their personal convictions, or at least the personal convictions they've always publicly maintained, in order to do it. Why the fuck would they do that? Can you give me an instance AFTER the release of 21st CB where they expressed the "Fuck Wal-Mart" attitude? Since that incident, I haven't heard them discus any of their convictions the way they used to...at least not publicy. To me, this just means that they had a change of heart. I don't see the issue as being as big as you're making it. Was I kinda shocked when I heard this news? Yeah...I was. However, my imediate reaction, after shock, was "awesome! Maybe this trilogy will actually sell well and expose the band to some new fans." I don't want to have to read anymore articles talking about how a Green Day album was a virtual failure...like I did with 21st CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkriegdeb Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I always got the idea that the "fuck Walmart" thing was blown up way out of proportion. Yeah, the band said it a few times, but it never seemed like it was a serious thing. Seemed like it was more of a way to hype up the album, if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 ^ There isn't anything wrong with swearing, but there is something wrong with exposing young children to swearing when they're too young to understand what swearing is and that it's not appropriate to repeat certain words. So for parents of young children it's handy to have a version without the swearing - it means instead of not letting them listen to certain songs they can just play the clean version (and the kid can start enjoying Green Day at an earlier age which is surely a good thing ). Doesn't mean a clean version should be expected or demanded, or that there's anything wrong with the explicit version. It's just a nice bonus to also have a clean version available for times when you can't play the explicit one. Also, rap music is censored just as much as rock music on tv and the radio. It is nice to have a clean version, and yes, that is an easy option for parents, but this is more than just a profanity issue. The content of these albums is not appropriate for kids who aren't old enough to distinguish between profanity and whatever word they replace it with, or bleep out. I mean, can you imagine a five year old going around singing "Oh baby baby, it's fun time!" or "Everybody is fudging with my head now" or "Kiss the DJ/*Bleep* that fibber down"? With or without the profanity, it's inappropriate. I guess this is the problem I've reiterated from the beginning. The marketing for this album trilogy is insane and inconsistent. They're trying to walk the line between what always "works" on music that doesn't fit the formula, in order to sell to a general audience as well as Green Day's fan base, when the music itself is bold and risky and should be marketed in that vein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It is nice to have a clean version, and yes, that is an easy option for parents, but this is more than just a profanity issue. The content of these albums is not appropriate for kids who aren't old enough to distinguish between profanity and whatever word they replace it with, or bleep out. I mean, can you imagine a five year old going around singing "Oh baby baby, it's fun time!" or "Everybody is fudging with my head now" or "Kiss the DJ/*Bleep* that fibber down"? With or without the profanity, it's inappropriate. I guess this is the problem I've reiterated from the beginning. The marketing for this album trilogy is insane and inconsistent. They're trying to walk the line between what always "works" on music that doesn't fit the formula, in order to sell to a general audience as well as Green Day's fan base, when the music itself is bold and risky and should be marketed in that vein. Green Day records get heard by little kids, period. I don't know why that's such an issue. They have material that is not "kid-friendly", but what does that matter? Five year olds sing inappropriate songs all the time. Green Day aren't the only ones putting that stuff on the radio. But at least it is good music, with a strong message, which can't be said about 95% of what is on the radio. I would rather kids be hearing this dirty record than most of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Where the FCC doesn't have power, advertisers still do. Kids listen to Green Day. Kids like Green Day's music. Kids who are too young do not understand the story. There are songs on the radio that kids like, which one might not wish for a kid to know about, but they don't care. They like the way it sounds. If anyone who listens to Green Day has kids, they are going to hear it. This is just a way to hear it without the swears. It isn't being "marketed" for families. It is being marketed to whoever wants to hear it, and there are contexts in which it is not considered acceptible to have swear words blasting from a stereo, but in which no one is paying that close of actual attention ot the lyrics to give a crap about the overall meaning. I understand about needing to clean the music up for radio and TV. There is a huge difference between bleeping out the profanity for those mediums and intentionally censoring the music to market to a larger audience. And Green Day is absolutely censoring their music to market to a larger audience. There is nothing wrong with it and a lot of musicians do it, but people need to stop making excuses for them about it or blaming Warner for it. This is a choice Green Day has made. They need to own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 And they had to sacrifice their personal convictions, or at least the personal convictions they've always publicly maintained, in order to do it. I'd say that was true if they'd opted to only release a censored version. But they haven't, they're releasing the full explicit version for anyone who wants it. The explicit version is the one that will be reviewed and have articles written about it etc and be seen by the media and public as the official, real version of the album. The censored version is just an extra, it's existence doesn't take away from the real version and doesn't stop the lyrics and message of the real version being out there. All it means is a few more kids will hear a version of the album instead of hearing nothing, and a few more people can listen to the album around their family or in their workplace instead of having to wear headphones or wait until later. The fact that they've done this might even have given them more freedom to make the real version more explicit. With a censored version available they're free to make the only version that matters, the explicit one, as explicit as they want without thoughts of holding back for fear of putting people off or causing the label to complain. Not saying they'd be particularly concerned about that anyway, but it could have been a subconscious factor in letting themselves go all out with the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I understand about needing to clean the music up for radio and TV. There is a huge difference between bleeping out the profanity for those mediums and intentionally censoring the music to market to a larger audience. And Green Day is absolutely censoring their music to market to a larger audience. There is nothing wrong with it and a lot of musicians do it, but people need to stop making excuses for them about it or blaming Warner for it. This is a choice Green Day has made. They need to own it. And if the band did make this choice, then leave them be and respect it for Christ's sake. They don't have to do what their fans want all the time. And, just like everyone on the face of the fucking Earth, they can change their mind and reverse their stance on any issue at any time they damn well please. Just because they've been against censorship since, as you say, the beginning of their career, it doesn't mean they still have to be 25 years later. People change. Get that through your head. Hell, if I lived like that, my favorite TV show would still be Thomas the Tank and by favorite band would be the Backstreet Boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Green Day records get heard by little kids, period. I don't know why that's such an issue. They have material that is not "kid-friendly", but what does that matter? Five year olds sing inappropriate songs all the time. Green Day aren't the only ones putting that stuff on the radio. But at least it is good music, with a strong message, which can't be said about 95% of what is on the radio. I would rather kids be hearing this dirty record than most of the others. I don't have a problem at all with kids hearing the music. I have a problem with marketing it specifically to kids. And I have a huge problem with censoring the music to market it to kids when it isn't meant for kids in the first place. It changes the essence of the music. And if five year olds sing inappropriate songs all the time, then there's no reason to censor it to accomplish that. Parents want the profanity out, but they're okay with the content? Jeez. This entire argument reminds me of the South Park movie. The parents start a war with Canada because they're so offended by the profanity on a TV show, and they completely miss the irony of the violence and mayhem caused by the actual war, because "fuck" is what outrages them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I don't have a problem at all with kids hearing the music. No? Sure seems like you do... The content of these albums is not appropriate for kids That, plus almost every other post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 And if the band did make this choice, then leave them be and respect it for Christ's sake. They don't have to do what their fans want all the time. And, just like everyone on the face of the fucking Earth, they can change their mind and reverse their stance on any issue at any time they damn well please. Just because they've been against censorship since, as you say, the beginning of their career, it doesn't mean they still have to be 25 years later. People change. Get that through your head. Hell, if I lived like that, my favorite TV show would still be Thomas the Tank and by favorite band would be the Backstreet Boys. I think you forgot to read the last sentence of my post. Your response is a bit over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharika Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 hell yeah clean version means there's a dirtaaay version.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I still don't really get why people are up in arms over this as this is not the first time they've even done it. I know there was the whole argument with the last album and Walmart but that could have been more for publicity than anything else, or a good excuse for publicity at least. Point is they've put out censored albums before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 No? Sure seems like you do... That, plus almost every other post. Again, you're reading that one sentence out of the context of my entire post. This music isn't meant for kids. It wasn't written for kids. it's content isn't appropriate for kids. Yet they're censoring it to market it to kids. I have a problem with the MARKETING. From the beginning, I have made this about the marketing, not the audience. It is up to the parents whether or not their kids can or should listen to it, and I respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I don't have a problem at all with kids hearing the music. I have a problem with marketing it specifically to kids. And I have a huge problem with censoring the music to market it to kids when it isn't meant for kids in the first place. It changes the essence of the music. And if five year olds sing inappropriate songs all the time, then there's no reason to censor it to accomplish that. Parents want the profanity out, but they're okay with the content? Jeez. I don't understand where you're getting the assumption that they're marketing specifically to kids with the clean version. Just because it's a clean version, it doesn't mean it's mean for kids. If it was, it'd be placed with all the Disney and Baby Mozart records in Best Buy, Target, etc. As I've previously stated, there's no way Green Day goes into the studio saying "Ok, let's make an album for the 18-30 year-olds so we can convince them to hate religion and vote for Obama." They write music for themselves based on their experiences, feelings, and opinions. There isn't a target audience. And there's not a non-target market either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Gauche Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I don't have a problem at all with kids hearing the music. I have a problem with marketing it specifically to kids. And I have a huge problem with censoring the music to market it to kids when it isn't meant for kids in the first place. It changes the essence of the music. And if five year olds sing inappropriate songs all the time, then there's no reason to censor it to accomplish that. Parents want the profanity out, but they're okay with the content? Jeez. This entire argument reminds me of the South Park movie. The parents start a war with Canada because they're so offended by the profanity on a TV show, and they completely miss the irony of the violence and mayhem caused by the actual war, because "fuck" is what outrages them. That's more of an argument about the stupidity of censorship as a whole, and I agree with you - it's a fucked up system of values - but if what it takes is for a few words to be removed, and it's OK with the radio?! Well, I'm OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissawebster Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 hell yeah clean version means there's a dirtaaay version.. Bwahaha! Like an exclusive club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Point is they've put out censored albums before. Not really. I know you've said you've seen a clean version of American Idiot before but I've never heard of it and no one else has either. The only ones I've seen were made by people (and myself). If there was/is an official clean version of American Idiot then it is very rare and wasn't a publicized release. I know I've seen AI packaged without the PA sticker on the front, but it is still on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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